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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: IN THE MIDST OF CHICKEN AND EGG/CHICKEN AND EGG IN THE MIDST OF.
vertical line Posted on Mar.06.2007 @ 04:40PM EDT by whatzen
Is there a difference between emptiness and fullness? One is the opposite of the other. Are they each illusions that provide the perpetuation of the other? Not emptiness and fullness and/or both emptiness and fullness are also illusion-- continuance of perpetuation. Beyond is merely a statement pointing to what?
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Mar.06.2007
05:10PM EDT 
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Mar.06.2007
05:21PM EDT 
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Quote: "What, of course. "
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Thats it! Thanks! It was right in front of my empty fullness! Or my full emptiness, one or the other. Or neither. Or both. Oh, never mind!

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Mar.06.2007
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Mar.06.2007
06:14PM EDT 
vertical line 'Your' kind of emptiness and fullness depends on the size of your glass cup.
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Mar.06.2007
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Mar.06.2007
06:29PM EDT 
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Reply from ______
Mar.06.2007
06:53PM EDT 
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sh...listen....no debate
Fire feathers touch me
With the beauty of the Beloved
And disappear from the coop
Coaxed and at ease
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Mar.06.2007
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Quote: "What, of course. "
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what can one say about the illusions of another?

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Mar.06.2007
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Quote: "Roost with the chickens in slippers silent
sh...listen....no debate
Fire feathers touch me
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And disappear from the coop
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Mar.07.2007
06:34AM EDT 
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It's all and nothing
Giving everything
Of no thing possessing
Limitless fullness sharing
Boundless emptiness
And no deals for Love
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Mar.07.2007
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Yet they are different to a human. Emptiness allows space to get back from it. To be able to circumvent the thing. To be able to observe it from all sides. To look through the layers and know the thing in terms of self. Fullness allows no space. MU

Nan-in, a Japanese master during the Meiji era (1868-1912), received a university professor who came to inquire about Zen.

Nan-in served tea. He poured his visitor's cup full, and then kept on pouring.

The professor watched the overflow until he no longer could restrain himself. "It is overfull. No more will go in!"

"Like this cup," Nan-in said, "you are full of your own opinions and speculations. How can I show you Zen unless you first empty your cup?"

 

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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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Go for it, instead.
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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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He fills you with empty words.
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Mar.07.2007
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Quote: "Quote: "So,
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He fills you with empty words.
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And you find that you are both emptiness and fullness and neither. In the midst of the emptying and filling the dance makes a betweeness that is a joyful sharing. 

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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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vertical line and so he wrote... "there are only words left" and I cried out, "no..... how can you say that?"
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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
11:01AM EDT 
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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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vertical line Yeah, the meaning. The meaning of suffering is here realised, in the way it is healed. Love and forgiveness dissolving karma.
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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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Quote: "not an idea to debate."
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:)

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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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space is enternity

space is between you and me

there is no space between us

no space ever

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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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space is enternity

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no space ever

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hehe not that

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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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Mar.07.2007
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True. I can't help it.
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How can you tell?
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Mar.08.2007
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Without Hindrances A  True-Self  Zen Experiences No-Self

we go beyond ego  and past clever words.

With Metta

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Mar.08.2007
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Mar.08.2007
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Mar.08.2007
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True. I can't help it.
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How can you tell?
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I take orders very well, in a world full of delusion. How can I help, within the science of denial, denies every ground of realization? Compassion eases suffering, within science.
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World Ocean ODelusion. Science, Medicine Always Needed.

Worthy Ones Offers Dharma Spiritual Medicine Awakening  Nature of our existence.

With Metta

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I take orders very well, in a world full of delusion. How can I help, within the science of denial, denies every ground of realization? Compassion eases suffering, within science.
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World Ocean ODelusion. Science, Medicine Always Needed.

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Mar.08.2007
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Mar.08.2007
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Mar.08.2007
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Mar.08.2007
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Mar.08.2007
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Mar.08.2007
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Mar.08.2007
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Mar.08.2007
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Mar.08.2007
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World Ocean ODelusion. Science, Medicine Always Needed.

Worthy Ones Offers Dharma Spiritual Medicine Awakening  Nature of our existence.

With Metta

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A part of it not apart.

Live Everday Holy Investigate Silence Hovering

between thoughts

With Metta

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I take orders very well, in a world full of delusion. How can I help, within the science of denial, denies every ground of realization? Compassion eases suffering, within science.
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World Ocean ODelusion. Science, Medicine Always Needed.

Worthy Ones Offers Dharma Spiritual Medicine Awakening  Nature of our existence.

With Metta

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Live Everday Holy Investigate Silence Hovering

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"A part of it not apart"

wasn't any suggestion was thinking-apart/notapart

metta-ing

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I take orders very well, in a world full of delusion. How can I help, within the science of denial, denies every ground of realization? Compassion eases suffering, within science.
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World Ocean ODelusion. Science, Medicine Always Needed.

Worthy Ones Offers Dharma Spiritual Medicine Awakening  Nature of our existence.

With Metta

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wasn't any suggestion was thinking-apart/notapart

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An Old Couplet runs:-

"What is mind? No Matter.

What is matter. Never mind."

Free from the concept of Grasping On Delusion.

Life Encompasses Huge, Immeasurable Space in Human –mind.

With Metta

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vertical line In order to grasp the spirit of words you have to let go of the words.  Spirit changes the way one sees God who is in spirit and truth.  A cultic relationship with God which turns God into a thing, a concept, a being among other beings has to be transcended.  In a cultic relationship with God, one tends to flatter or placate an idol of God who one thinks may be kind one moment and vengeful the next.   An ever new communion with God, in the nonduality of spirit, transcends  this relationship of fear. The truth is what is.  
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An Old Couplet runs:-


"What is mind? No Matter.


What is matter. Never mind."


Free from the concept of Grasping On Delusion.


Life Encompasses Huge, Immeasurable Space in Human –mind.



With Metta

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Huge is not immeasurable, huge is measurable - it's a big measure of huge. Only emptiness can contain everything and every thing. Life is contained within God and encompasses no thing.
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vertical line Ok, here's sumthin - Bhakti - sweet taste in head flowing down through body, sweetness - awareness of a being present in a presence - "Here I am" - hands coming up, clapping involuntarily, once - energy flowing up through body propelling into standing position and moving quickly to another part of the house laughing in a deep joy and forgiveness. Picking hens up and popping them back over a fence.
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An Old Couplet runs:-


"What is mind? No Matter.


What is matter. Never mind."


Free from the concept of Grasping On Delusion.


Life Encompasses Huge, Immeasurable Space in Human –mind.



With Metta

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Huge is not immeasurable, huge is measurable - it's a big measure of huge. Only emptiness can contain everything and every thing. Life is contained within God and encompasses no thing. "
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Huge is not immeasurable, huge is measurable - it's a big measure of huge. Only emptiness can contain everything and every thing. Life is contained within God and encompasses no thing.
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Replying. Under Sudden True Insight Cannot be put into words - we know, yet do not know exactly what it is that we know. Nothing need to know.

Thank U for sharing

With Metta

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vertical line Man, that education was boring, at one point my thoughts were on the other side of being programed. It just shut my thinking off from being  "on task" to...  I don't know, maybe it was just sitting there, all number-like, and I really had to take a shit, or just pass a big gasser. But shitting wasn't allowed during the class. Then I felt the energy rise to the top of my bald head, and prickly sweat beads formed. I was either being in my head or in my butt. But, at least I passed the exam.

So, somebody out there, and in there is watchin' out for me. But doin' more than just watchin'. 111111
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Mar.12.2007
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vertical line IT is possible for nonduality realization to exist at all times, it just has different aspects.

Like right now, the sun is shining off the snow, too bright to look at comfortably.

and

I know of a Buddhist monk who lives in town, and I am thinking of calling him to get a picture of his prayer flags in front of his house, for a painting,  but the sun has to be shining brightly, so I may go and visit him today.

But, I don't know... nonduality has no predictive absolutes as for attainment.
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Mar.12.2007
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kelvintan

sahyo
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seashells 
a candle
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tea?

:)

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Mar.12.2007
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Mar.12.2007
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Mar.12.2007
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Mar.12.2007
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Mar.12.2007
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vertical line So, I had planned to give some information to a friend on a local yoga teacher who helps with all different types of people in various age ranges and health conditions. So I  had the chance to give to someone who might benefit from yoga, this is what I felt. And right after I had given this information away to a person, I stopped in a local health foods store and was out in  the car eating a healthy lunch when who should appear walking up to the store but the yoga teacher, herself.  I had never seen her before to pick out in a crowd. So, by giving, the information, in the spirit of helping another, the universe was nodding... "yes".  
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vertical line As I thought of the prayer flags I wanted to paint, I went looking for my friend to see how he was doing, but I really wasn't sure where he lived, so I went right past his house, but I did note the prayer flags in the front, and turned around and went  back, pulled in the drive, and he came out to meet me. We spoke of connections, and things that bring people and events together, and I looked over everything around outside, and the wind connected with the prayer flags overhead moving them into my attention. And I thought how beautiful simplicity is. I stayed with him for about an hour talking out front, making an angel's wing pattern with my foot in the snow next to the walkway. I offered any help I could give him, from now into the future, then said a kind goodbye. I drove down the road towards home, it was 1:45, the speed limit was 45 mph, both at once I saw them. I thought... "That was meant to happen."
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vertical line So I take a break to go up front, and it has cooled off enough for another fire.
Then I go out to get some more wood from the stack next to shed, but I stop first, standing on the covered deck and listen to the morning doves cooing to each other, the calls seemed so close from inside, but now I realized that there was more than one I heard, the songs seem to go on further and further into the woods, even beyond sound, into another realm. Even the dove's flight sounds like singing.

I go out to select some small wood  pieces for the fire. And the crows are calling to one another, and I look up directly overhead as a crow flies over me, and I think, "oh if only we could talk the same, relate the same,  is he flying here to see me  directly below the way  I see him directly above?"

Then...

I hear the sound of a jet, and see the trails behind,  leading directly above me, as the crow flies over, they seem to cross, even to know of one another, in some distant way.

And tingling joy descends, mingled with a grateful, beautiful sadness of being alone, in all this, mystery.
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vertical line Yes, acceptance is the absence of separation. And somehow numbers and times are involved, the lining-up underlying structure of things, that can't be grasped, without thanks as not coming from one's self as terminal ending/beginning. Analysis fails me, because I fail at analysis of more than just the basics. If I don't do much to help others and the world then I am just taken away, and making myself separate.
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vertical line Quote: "Yes, acceptance is the absence of separation. And somehow numbers and times are involved,  with a lining-up of  the underlying structure of things, that can't be grasped, without thanks, and let go of in the same manner. Not as coming from one's self alone as terminal ending/beginning points, but arising from a  totally open source of unity which touches all equally well... the obvious with the sublime in all timelessness. Analysis fails me, because I fail at analysis of more than just the basics of now. If I don't do much to offer help to others and the world then I am just taken away,  a s a fake, and making myself separate to stand out away from the qualities of death that limit  complete acceptance. "
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kelvintan

sahyo
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Hi Bro. Woodsman

In Living-zen Experience Having Increase Sense-of Humour,Happiness & Harmony.

I quote: Zen, like life, defies exact definition, but its essence is the experience, moment by moment, unclouded by suppositions and expectations that come between us and reality. Have A Nice Day.

With Metta

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Well said. Reslessness & Worry, Understanding, Skeptical Doubt, Sloth & Torpor, Ill-Will and Cutting of Worldly Sensual Desire are Five Hindrances.

May We all be liberated from this fleeting illusions of life that lure us on and yet leaves us wandering in Samsara.

With Metta

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Thank U for Sharing

In Realisation U-abide in Silence awareness,avoid Thoughts and Inner Chatters.

With Metta

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