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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: RESEARCH REGARDING SAMSARA AND CHRISTIAN EVIL
vertical line Posted on Mar.19.2007 @ 09:21PM EDT by lostatsun

I am researching the following topic: relating the notion of samsara to estrangement by Paul Tillich. This is for a dialogue seminar. I think that Christians realize their demise when they are in a separation in depth from their Christian God: they don't follow their chosen path and practice. In this way, they live out their lives in hell and not attaining a newer level of awareness. Since I am relatively new to this area, I could use some help. Any thoughts?


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Mar.20.2007
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vertical line This is a lottery. Please choose numbers then send money for return ticket by return .
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Mar.20.2007
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vertical line That ticket is your karmic encounter with the power of consumerism.
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Reply from stephen
Mar.20.2007
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“The awareness of the ambiguity of one's highest achievements (as well as one's deepest failures) is a definite symptom of maturity.”

 

There is a chapter on Buddhism in Dialogues of Paul Tillich. By Mary Ann Stenger and Richard H. Stone. Macon, GA: Mercer University Press, 2002.

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Mar.20.2007
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vertical line See? ok try another search engine with another search see what comes up? amazon's good for some book reviews and there are other websites that you can rip tons of relevant stuff from. Try a DevonAgent search.
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Mar.20.2007
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vertical line the chosen path is the one we follow - as far as there is any choice
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Mar.20.2007
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vertical line Right. Just did a DEVONagent search using the title which came up with 36 (result) documents from scanning 103 pages, 14752 KB done. All words in title are highlighted in the docs. In the digest, occur words like, 'death, Jesus, body, life, soul, birth, world, Christ, belief, liberation, Judaism, faith, Nirvana, rebirth, existence, cycle, karma, evil, Buddhist, world, religion, holy, hell, divine, reality, contemporary, age...' this list is not exhaustive, nor in any particular order. It does look better in its original format so you really have to be here for best results.
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Reply from boymonk
Mar.20.2007
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vertical line I don't think there are any new levels of awareness, just the same old one we are here with, the same that everyone has. Is my awareness different than yours? Uh, no, I no think so. Because if it were, that would mean there was some further stepping back to do, so we could just step back... and then it'd be the same! :)
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Mar.20.2007
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Mar.20.2007
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vertical line eh eh eh eh ;)
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Mar.20.2007
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vertical line how do you do this? and why do you do this?
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Reply from Lynnoh
Mar.20.2007
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vertical line it was at lunch when the word ambiguity was used... But I did not know the word so it was explained to me... like, "wanting to be with and not wanting to be with at the same time".....  but there was talk about leaving  this life behind and going elsewhere... but I do not know how one can do this... somehow it just doen't make sense to me.... I understand the "connectedness" of things...I just do not understand what this is all for.
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Mar.20.2007
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vertical line I suppose this is it
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Mar.20.2007
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Quote: "how do you do this? and why do you do this?"
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hahaha

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Mar.20.2007
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Quote: "form"
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Reply from ______
Mar.21.2007
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vertical line “The awareness of the ambiguity of one's highest achievements (as well as one's deepest failures) is a definite symptom of maturity".

Failure and success are egotistical notions conflicting with the ego-transcending discipline of meditation. The feelings of success and failure are symptomatic of the ego's clinging sense of individuality bearing an existential sense of shame which is linked to feelings of loneliness.
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Reply from HarryB
Mar.21.2007
07:29AM EDT 
vertical line Ego transcending= achievement / Egotism= failure...?

'Clinging'= failure / 'Releasing' = achievement...?

Is suffering not a failure relative to achieving an end to it?

...Oh, clever little 'ego'.

Regards,

Harry.
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Mar.21.2007
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vertical line They're unavoidable - this is the nature of paradox. If you're looking for meaning - the meaning of suffering is in the way it is healed. Words exist for their meaning, when you know the meaning you can forget the words.
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Mar.21.2007
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vertical line And sorrow prepares the ground of the heart for joy.

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Mar.21.2007
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Quote: "how do you do this? and why do you do this?"
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what makes these words funny?

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hahaha

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Reply from HarryB
Mar.22.2007
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vertical line Clever little 'egos', if only we saw that they weren't so bad.

Regharharharharharhards,

Hahahahaharry.
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Reply from ______
Mar.22.2007
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vertical line That's what the little hitler wants you to think, cuz hego anti-love. And watch out when they all start getting the collective ego together on some righteous cause which invovles damaging the other, specially with guns and bombs and lies and shit cuz then we got asuras doin' satan's work.
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Reply from HarryB
Mar.22.2007
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vertical line Yes, Hitler took himself rather seriously, and then other people took him and themselves rather seriously, and then....

The self imposed slavery of ideology and everything that haemorrhages from it is more a tragic than a silly game.

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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line Satan? You just done 'his' work.

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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line The historical Hitler liked to play all kinds of ego-games, apparently, but I don't think the holocaust was a 'tragic game'. Everyone has a little hitler though, a dictator to keep up the whispering campaign.

"two little hitlers will fight it out until
one little hitler does the other one's will..."

That's how it works. It's what the other one respects and bows the will to.
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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line Quote: "Satan? You just done 'his' work.

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You think I'm a collective ego now do you?
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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line Is that so.

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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line All life, including death, strikes me as a tragic game. This isn't ideology or the work of some Guru, God or Devil though, so please don't take it too seriously as well.

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Harry.
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vertical line Yep. Yep it is.
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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line That's your game ideology. I'm just staying on topic.
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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line If ideology only remains a game, a harmless one, then I see nothing to make a fuss over. I'm glad you see ideology as a game at least. Monopoly is generally more complicated (and more interesting) than many celebrated ideologies.

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Harry.
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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line No, I'm not saying that at all, as you know. I'm saying that you too believe in an ideology, game ideology, because to you everything is a game. I don't necessarily believe that your view of the holocaust as a 'tragic game' is helpful or harmless.
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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line Does no good to generalize. Even in hell there can be purpose.
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Reply from HarryB
Mar.22.2007
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vertical line Well, there you go.

Ideology? But, my good Grumbling Rustic, does it strike you as a game with any discernible rules? The 'rules', like ideology, seem very relative from any number of perspectives. From the view in Zazen they don't seem so important.

Its terribly serious isn't it? (Quiver, Quiver)

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Harry.
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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line Why do you think that I am 'your good grumbling rustic'? Is there something wrong with you?
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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line I don't know, probably. Nobody's perfect you know.

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Harry.
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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line ah, for a second there, I thought I'd signed up for something, been appropriated.
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Mar.22.2007
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vertical line Maybe you were. Not my contract though.

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Mar.26.2007
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Mar.26.2007
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bear foot

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boor feat

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Mar.26.2007
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Scope

Pope

and, ah, dope
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Mar.26.2007
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Mop

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The pig just shit on the drive.
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Mar.26.2007
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