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vertical line Posted on Mar.25.2007 @ 01:25PM EDT by rajroshi
What is the name of the best Zen teacher?
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Reply from boymonk
Mar.25.2007
01:38PM EDT 
vertical line Yourself, as only yourself can know yourself, your self.
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Reply from Lynnoh
Mar.25.2007
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vertical line I don't know what you mean
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Reply from lehish
Mar.25.2007
02:24PM EDT 
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Quote: "I don't know what you mean"
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knows that doesn't know?

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Reply from Lynnoh
Mar.25.2007
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Mar.25.2007
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Mar.25.2007
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Reply from lehish
Mar.25.2007
02:34PM EDT 
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Quote: "louder"
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if want louder

then read "I don't know"

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Reply from Lynnoh
Mar.25.2007
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vertical line not want... felt intense...the response is all... Lehish I have to go now..I appologize
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Reply from Lynnoh
Mar.25.2007
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vertical line p.s..... which "I don't know" did you want me to read?
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Mar.25.2007
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Mar.25.2007
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Mar.25.2007
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Mar.25.2007
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(((((lynnOH)))))

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Mar.25.2007
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Quote: "having to go now  "
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ahhh :)

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Reply from free1500
Mar.25.2007
03:17PM EDT 
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"What is the name of the best Zen teacher? "

1500free!

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Reply from rajroshi
Mar.26.2007
02:16AM EDT 
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"What is the name of the best Zen teacher? "

1500free!

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nope the name of the best zen teacher is M T ness. If u all agree with me u will get black n blue, if u are not u will get black n blue, If u r neither agree nor disagree u will still get black n blue how can u not get black n blue?

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Reply from ______
Mar.26.2007
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vertical line The name of the best teapot is 'the best teapot'.
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Reply from stephen
Mar.26.2007
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vertical line The one who does not reply and speaks only emptiness between the words. MU
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Reply from Woodsman
Mar.26.2007
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vertical line THE WORDS all by themselves are empty striving.
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Mar.26.2007
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vertical line I have the use of three teapots:

brown betty (6cup)

green goddess (8 cup)

rainbow (2cup)
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Mar.26.2007
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Mar.26.2007
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but better, not
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Mar.26.2007
02:31PM EDT 
vertical line Preacher, prayer flag reacher
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Mar.26.2007
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vertical line oh beautiful  chawan... gowmie-wa?
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Reply from fatnhappy
Mar.26.2007
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vertical line when the birds sing do you listen ?

when the monkies chant do you turn your head ?

Ive found slowly moving water through a noisy city to be the best teacher ......
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Mar.26.2007
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Reply from zbishak
Mar.27.2007
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 Hello rajroshi,

The cup just empty, and 'just' got nothing to do with it.

From where did you get that measure of   M T ness and all the black and blue?

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Mar.27.2007
09:19AM EDT 
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 Hello rajroshi,

The cup just empty, and 'just' got nothing to do with it.

From where did you get that measure of   M T ness and all the black and blue?

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HI,

I don't believe on empty cup as NAN-IN believe I like to destroy the cup. Only this can lead to enlightment bcos cup cannot be empty as far as exst there will be something. 

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Mar.27.2007
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Reply from zbishak
Mar.28.2007
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hello rajroshi,

was the empty cup ever to be believed in,
clearly there is nothing in the teaching zen that requires belief.

an empty cup doesn't have emptiness or it would not be empty,
the cup is of no account, what threat does it pose and to whom that  it creates such a passion for its destruction.

A water buffalo that does not get its tail through the abyss, may think its enlightened, and get itself all black and blue in trying to destroy that tiny little tail.

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Mar.28.2007
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hello rajroshi,

was the empty cup ever to be believed in,
clearly there is nothing in the teaching zen that requires belief.

an empty cup doesn't have emptiness or it would not be empty,
the cup is of no account, what threat does it pose and to whom that  it creates such a passion for its destruction.

A water buffalo that does not get its tail through the abyss, may think its enlightened, and get itself all black and blue in trying to destroy that tiny little tail.

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Reply from Woodsman
Mar.28.2007
11:55AM EDT 
vertical line Empty cups?

Water buffalos?

Where are you guys livin'?

Don't tell me, I don't want to know.
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Reply from rajroshi
Mar.28.2007
12:05PM EDT 
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hi zbishak,

a wonderful story for u

No Water, No Moon

When the nun Chiyono studied Zen under Bukko of Engaku she was unable to attain the fruits of meditation for a long time.

At last one moonlit night she was carrying water in an old pail bound with bamboo. The bamboo broke and the bottom fell out of the pail, and at that moment Chiyono was set free!

In commemoration, she wrote a poem:

In this way and that I tried to save the old pail
Since the bamboo strip was weakening and about to break
Until at last the bottom fell out.
No more water in the pail!
No more moon in the water!

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Mar.28.2007
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thanks rajroshi,

 this old man would have just got another pail.

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Reply from Lynnoh
Mar.28.2007
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Mar.28.2007
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vertical line Hello computer I'll be a bucket friend to mend...oh oh oh is it enlightenment yet?
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Reply from Lynnoh
Mar.30.2007
11:53AM EDT 
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(old) (new)...   *********************************

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Reply from YafiaSkye
Apr.09.2007
08:02PM EDT 
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this thread actually answers the thread i started a moment ago...before i looked through the discussion forum.

namaste,

tameko

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Reply from Davidseon
Apr.13.2007
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Apr.22.2007
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vertical line Any more for any more?
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