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vertical line Posted on Mar.26.2007 @ 03:38PM EDT by Yagita

Do Buddhist believes in a God or a creator?

In order to become involved in Zen must one kill the ego?

How does one enter a Buddhist temple in order to recive instructions?



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Reply from Woodsman
Mar.26.2007
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vertical line God is not a belief.

The ego needs to be accepted.

Go knock on the door, and tell them you'll work for free.
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Reply from shayne
Mar.26.2007
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No buddists dont believe in god. save gedo zen which is a sect of zen.

dont worry about the ego. meditate.

their freindly. you just go in. they like to help.

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Mar.27.2007
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Not a  Yes As God Is The Almighty

With Metta

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Mar.27.2007
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Do Buddhist believe in a God or a creator?

A Buddhist would not enter into the debate about God and/or a creator for it makes no difference on how one would live his/her life. It is an interesting historical and philosophical question but does not apply. The answer and the question are out side the realm of ones Buddhist Nature.

In order to become involved in Zen must one kill the ego?

No. The term ego is an abused word. Zen would have you give up attachments, delusions and anger. (this would include your ideas about yourself that led to attachments, delusions and anger.)

How does one enter a Buddhist temple in order to receive instructions?

Silently and in stillness.

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Mar.27.2007
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Not a  Yes As God Is The Almighty

With Metta

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In the Bhuridatta Jataka (No.543) the Bodhisatta questions the supposed Divine justice of the Creator as follows;

"He who has eyes can see the sickening sight,

Why does not Brahma (God) set his creatures right?

If his wide power no limits can restrain,

Why is his hand so rarely spread to bless?

Why are his creatures all condemned to pain?

Why does he not to all give happiness?

Why do fraud, lies, and ignorance prevail?

Why triumphs falsehood,-truth and justice fail?

I count you Brahma (God} one th'unjust among,

Who made a world in which to shelther wrong."

Refuting the theory that everything is the creation of a Supreme Being, the Bodhisatta states in the Mahabodhi Jataka (No.528)

"If there exist some Lord all powerful to fulfil

In every creature bliss or woe, and action good or ill;

That Lord is stained with sin. Man does but work his will."

Quoted With Metta.

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Mar.27.2007
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Reply from Yagita
Mar.27.2007
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Mar.27.2007
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Do Buddhist believe in a God or a creator?

A Buddhist would not enter into the debate about God and/or a creator for it makes no difference on how one would live his/her life. It is an interesting historical and philosophical question but does not apply. The answer and the question are out side the realm of ones Buddhist Nature.

In order to become involved in Zen must one kill the ego?

No. The term ego is an abused word. Zen would have you give up attachments, delusions and anger. (this would include your ideas about yourself that led to attachments, delusions and anger.)

How does one enter a Buddhist temple in order to receive instructions?

Silently and in stillness.

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.........Seek To Enlight People Having Endless Notion

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It A Sharing & Giving

With Metta

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Mar.27.2007
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What One Often Do. So Maybe Another Night

Just A Joke

It is Night time here.

With Metta

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Mar.27.2007
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Reply from Woodsman
Mar.27.2007
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vertical line If you choose to see God in all things, that would make God a choice, but limitless validating every way, through seeing.

If you choose to work God in all things, that would create God through your body, through acts of kindness, gentleness, reaching out to young and old to heal in simplicity.

If you only choose to read about god, then you snub the alternative, of seeing God through motion, but you can let God scan the page, if you choose.
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Mar.27.2007
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vertical line Sitting in meditation. nothing comes back from the void to answer wether god exists or does not exist. its best just to do your best in this lifetime.
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I do nothing alone

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Quote: "Sitting in meditation. nothing comes back from the void to answer wether god exists or does not exist. its best just to do your best in this lifetime."
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Just sharing a Thought

Silence  Having Awareness You Need Effort

With Metta

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Reply from ______
Mar.28.2007
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vertical line Killing and / or accepting the ego, abusing the term ego, is commentary - the ego-centricity of me me me, I I I, mine mine mine, negating Love. The 'dying' of the ego is the letting go of ego-centricity. When the ego is let go, it is received back, transformed by Love, no longer the arrogant little tyrant.

The only effort required is to turn, turn to the source, a listening to the question, "Who am I?" All questions of relationship and identity live in this question. This is the work of all meditiation and is the receiving of the free gift.

down to the lake, I
up to the temple, I am
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Water into Wine
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Mar.28.2007
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Do Buddhist believe in a God or a creator?

A Buddhist would not enter into the debate about God and/or a creator for it makes no difference on how one would live his/her life. It is an interesting historical and philosophical question but does not apply. The answer and the question are out side the realm of ones Buddhist Nature.

Nice keyboard work.

In order to become involved in Zen must one kill the ego?

No. The term ego is an abused word. Zen would have you give up attachments, delusions and anger. (this would include your ideas about yourself that led to attachments, delusions and anger.)

How does one enter a Buddhist temple in order to receive instructions?

Silently and in stillness.

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Mar.28.2007
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Quote: "Killing and / or accepting the ego, abusing the term ego, is commentary - the ego-centricity of me me me, I I I, mine mine mine, negating Love. The 'dying' of the ego is the letting go of ego-centricity. When the ego is let go, it is received back, transformed by Love, no longer the arrogant little tyrant.

The only effort required is to turn, turn to the source, a listening to the question, "Who am I?" All questions of relationship and identity live in this question. This is the work of all meditiation and is the receiving of the free gift.

down to the lake, I
up to the temple, I am
down to the lake, I
up to the temple, I am
down to the lake, I
up to the temple, I am

Water into Wine
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Well said.

Remains Unpertubed Still Thoughts In Contemplation

"Who am I?'

I am Who I am

Still Who I am

With Metta


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Mar.29.2007
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U can't say there is god as far as u didn't realize. U can't deny as far as u didn't search whole universe and what other say is futile for u. Make your own way.

A Mother's Advice

Jiun, a Shogun master, was a well-known Sanskrit scholar of the Tokugawa era. When he was young he used to deliver lectures to his brother students.

His mother heard about this and wrote him a letter.:

"Son, I do not think you became a devotee of the Buddha because you desired to turn into a walking dictionary for others. There is no end to information and commentation, glory and honor. I wish you would stop this lecture business. Shut yourself up in a little temple in a remote part of the mountain. Devote your time to meditation and in this way attain true realization."

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U can't say there is god as far as u didn't realize. U can't deny as far as u didn't search whole universe and what other say is futile for u. Make your own way.

A Mother's Advice

Jiun, a Shogun master, was a well-known Sanskrit scholar of the Tokugawa era. When he was young he used to deliver lectures to his brother students.

His mother heard about this and wrote him a letter.:

"Son, I do not think you became a devotee of the Buddha because you desired to turn into a walking dictionary for others. There is no end to information and commentation, glory and honor. I wish you would stop this lecture business. Shut yourself up in a little temple in a remote part of the mountain. Devote your time to meditation and in this way attain true realization."

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Reject All Jargon Rely Onself Search Heartily Inside

The Buddha did

Sharing A Thought

With Metta

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Reply from HarryB
Mar.29.2007
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vertical line 1. Some Buddhists believe in many, many Gods, but it would be inaccurate to equate this with western concepts of a creator/ director God:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Buddhism

2. You can't kill the ego, if you take time to look you can't even find it: its merely a designation of the mind which is by nature empty and clear... but please don't take my word for that ;-)

3. Just drop an email or phone call to your local Zen group, most don't have what is generally called a temple, but just a smaller meditation room called a dojo or zendo. Try a few different groups if needs be until it seems comfortable.

Regards,

Harry.
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Reply from HarryB
Mar.29.2007
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vertical line From above article:

"Often as the Devas figure in early Buddhist stories, the significance of their appearance nearly always lies in their relations with the Buddha or his disciples. Of mere mythology, such as the dealings of Brahma and Indra with other gods, there is little. In fact the gods, though freely invoked as accessories, are not taken seriously, and there are some extremely curious passages in which Gotama seems to laugh at them, much as the sceptics of the 18th century laughed at Jehovah. Thus in the [Pali Canon] Kevaddha Sutta he relates how a monk who was puzzled by a metaphysical problem applied to various gods and finally accosted Brahma himself in the presence of all his retinue.

After hearing the question, which was “Where do the elements cease and leave no trace behind?” Brahma replies, “I am the Great Brahma, the Supreme, the Mighty, the All-seeing, the Ruler, the Lord of all, the Controller, the Creator, the Chief of all, appointing to each his place, the Ancient of days, the Father of all that are and are to be.” “But,” said the monk, “I did not ask you, friend, whether you were indeed all you now say, but I ask you where the four elements cease and leave no trace.” Then the Great Brahma took him by the arm and led him aside and said, “These gods think I know and understand everything. Therefore I gave no answer in their presence. But I do not know the answer to your question and you had better go and ask the Buddha."

Hehehehehehehehe...!

Regards,

H.
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Mar.29.2007
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Quote: "From above article:

"Often as the Devas figure in early Buddhist stories, the significance of their appearance nearly always lies in their relations with the Buddha or his disciples. Of mere mythology, such as the dealings of Brahma and Indra with other gods, there is little. In fact the gods, though freely invoked as accessories, are not taken seriously, and there are some extremely curious passages in which Gotama seems to laugh at them, much as the sceptics of the 18th century laughed at Jehovah. Thus in the [Pali Canon] Kevaddha Sutta he relates how a monk who was puzzled by a metaphysical problem applied to various gods and finally accosted Brahma himself in the presence of all his retinue.

After hearing the question, which was “Where do the elements cease and leave no trace behind?” Brahma replies, “I am the Great Brahma, the Supreme, the Mighty, the All-seeing, the Ruler, the Lord of all, the Controller, the Creator, the Chief of all, appointing to each his place, the Ancient of days, the Father of all that are and are to be.” “But,” said the monk, “I did not ask you, friend, whether you were indeed all you now say, but I ask you where the four elements cease and leave no trace.” Then the Great Brahma took him by the arm and led him aside and said, “These gods think I know and understand everything. Therefore I gave no answer in their presence. But I do not know the answer to your question and you had better go and ask the Buddha."

Hehehehehehehehe...!

Regards,

H.
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Have Answer Rightly Regarding Yagita's Buddhist question.

With Regards & Metta

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Reply from Yagita
Apr.01.2007
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vertical line God doesn't believe in Buddha.

God has no ego.




I,                                                                        face.
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God is a temple.  Just look
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Dear yagita

All the relegion have been taking about dropping your ego- but it's a very weird phenomena. They want u to drope your ego and ego is just a shadow of god. God is the ego of universe and the ego is your personality. Gautam Buddha is the only person in history of mankind who said: " just dropping the ego will not help it can be easily droped if u drope GOD. He dropped GOD the ego disprd. He went away from mirror, The mirror was empty, his reflxn in the mirror disprd. He had been fighting with the reflection.
U can feel the defrnc. There are relegion who have GOD, EGO nad the SELF. Jaudism, Hinduism, Christianity, Mohammedanism and there are religions which don't have GOD- Taoism, Buddhism, Jainism But they have the self. Bcos they don't have GOD, the ego dispr on it's own. Now there whole effort is how to make their self pure and pious.
Buddha is the only man who said, If there is no GOD there is no ego, the self is also arbitrary, artificial. As u go deeper in your intrty you suddenly find urslf dispring into the oceanic consiouness. There is no self to know. You are no more only existence is. The dance will be there dancer will no more, song will be ther singer will no more. ULTIMATE FREEDOM, FREEDOM FROM ONSELF.
  

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Apr.02.2007
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Apr.02.2007
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Apr.02.2007
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Apr.02.2007
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Quote: "God doesn't believe in Buddha.

God has no ego.




I,                                                                        face.
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God is a temple.  Just look
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easy to say.

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Quote: "God doesn't believe in Buddha.

God has no ego.




I,                                                                        face.
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God is a temple.  Just look
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easy to say.

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easier not to.
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Quote: "God doesn't believe in Buddha.

God has no ego.


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Quote: "God doesn't believe in Buddha.

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Apr.03.2007
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vertical line If God is a temple, he's really let herself go.

Goddha seems like a suitably confused deity for the likes of us. If ever zazen starts to evangelize at me I'll run straight to the scientologists for a swift, painless reprogramming.

Regards,

Harry.
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Apr.03.2007
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vertical line And once more I say 'God'. He threw me out of the garden did he not?

Regourds,

Harry.
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Apr.03.2007
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Apr.03.2007
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vertical line I'm gonna run everywhere, thanks. I don't take God literally, or even seriously, but the garden myth is one of my favourites, and for a myth its created a terribly real suffering.

Now, what sort of a little buddhist am I now, referee? (fellow listees please note that I have privatised my sense of Christiazen morality).

Ah, can you smell the illusion of control?

Now there's a thing; they say the universe is (sub atomically) based on unpredictable chaos... well what's the defining factor that gives the illusion of coherence?

Refereegards,

Harry.
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Harry.
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H.
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Quote: "Good morning. Off out buying fig trees. "
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Quote: "Wonderful, botany is overdue its Doctor Dolittle.

Regards,

Harry.
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Quote: "God doesn't believe in Buddha.

God has no ego.


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looks like kite flying I saw...with no string... it was so beautiful...... flaps of wings

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Dear yagita

All the relegion have been taking about dropping your ego- but it's a very weird phenomena. They want u to drope your ego and ego is just a shadow of god. God is the ego of universe and the ego is your personality. Gautam Buddha is the only person in history of mankind who said: " just dropping the ego will not help it can be easily droped if u drope GOD. He dropped GOD the ego disprd. He went away from mirror, The mirror was empty, his reflxn in the mirror disprd. He had been fighting with the reflection.
U can feel the defrnc. There are relegion who have GOD, EGO nad the SELF. Jaudism, Hinduism, Christianity, Mohammedanism and there are religions which don't have GOD- Taoism, Buddhism, Jainism But they have the self. Bcos they don't have GOD, the ego dispr on it's own. Now there whole effort is how to make their self pure and pious.
Buddha is the only man who said, If there is no GOD there is no ego, the self is also arbitrary, artificial. As u go deeper in your intrty you suddenly find urslf dispring into the oceanic consiouness. There is no self to know. You are no more only existence is. The dance will be there dancer will no more, song will be ther singer will no more. ULTIMATE FREEDOM, FREEDOM FROM ONSELF.
  

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Do not cling on to the Buddha or God.

Rid All. Just Rely On Self. Have Insight

Buddha say cannot say

You have to realise and experience it.

And not what Buddha or God say

With Metta

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