I have been troubled of late about rebirth. If you could help me in my understanding it would help me out alot.

These are my thoughts at this point:

The wave believes it is a wave, but it is water. Waves are born and die, but the water is eternal. If the wave realises it is water, it enters, or rather realises, the world of no birth and no death. But the water must return to the ocean, where else could it go? In the same way, enlightenment cannot stop the cycle of birth and death, but it stops the perception of birth and death. The water cannot vanish, so what birth and death is there to be brought to an end?

Sorry if that was way confusing, but im way confused myself.

Thanks alot if you can help.

Zillion Enters New Birth Experiencing Again. Tasting Life Entertaining Suffering

Nothing to Grasp

See all as stream

Nothing is born

Nothing dies

With Metta

Here is the problem. We like being individual waves. Our little breaks, curls and foam. We are different, we are unique, and we are special. We start small, built is size and then crash over the top, only to become an undertow. We are reborn in slack water. The path of enlightenment is the heat of wisdom, the lift of meditation and the evaporation of our Buddha Nature. We become that 0.001 percent of the total Earth's water volume residing in the atmosphere. We are still water, we are still part of the whole but our form, view and structure has changed. Many things appear different but are, in truth, just a different form. MU

Quote: "His waters are troubling troubled standing facing the entrance to his tomb. "
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To illustrate one thing by its resemblance to another has been always the most popular and efficacious art of instruction. There is indeed no other method of teaching that of which anyone is ignorant but by means of something already known; and a mind so enlarged by contemplation and enquiry that it has always many objects within its view will seldom be long without some near and familiar image through which an easy transition may be made to truths more distant and obscure. --Samuel Johnson

Or 

• He that voluntarily continues ignorance is guilty of all the crimes which ignorance produces, as to him that should extinguish the tapers of a lighthouse might justly be imputed the calamities of shipwrecks. --Samuel Johnson

zenbeatles, it is not like that. Neither it is any other way. All the explanations are wrong. As long as you are trying to explain and understand on the conceptual level, you just produce more rebirth. Whenever everything seams to fit, you have surely missed it.

hmmm... noticed there was a tiny lighthouse out on the small peice of land...though it looked like a light house... but I think it was really a water gage...

Quote: "Spectators' eyes are blind.

Splash trouble the waters of the lake below sea-level going down opens into the tomb raising the dead sight to the blind the inrush of timelessness"
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well... I should have read on...

and so there was all this speculation about the clouds and sky... like this:

sky does not bother cloud..

cloud does not bother sky

but sky is apart of cloud

and cloud is apart of sky

so when is it sky business and when it is cloud business?

when is it my business

and who asked when it was none of my business !!!  ?