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vertical line Posted on Apr.01.2007 @ 09:30AM EDT by zenbeatles

I have been troubled of late about rebirth. If you could help me in my understanding it would help me out alot.

These are my thoughts at this point:

The wave believes it is a wave, but it is water. Waves are born and die, but the water is eternal. If the wave realises it is water, it enters, or rather realises, the world of no birth and no death. But the water must return to the ocean, where else could it go? In the same way, enlightenment cannot stop the cycle of birth and death, but it stops the perception of birth and death. The water cannot vanish, so what birth and death is there to be brought to an end?

Sorry if that was way confusing, but im way confused myself.

Thanks alot if you can help.


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Apr.01.2007
09:40AM EDT 
vertical line exactly now
the wave is
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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.01.2007
04:53PM EDT 
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vertical line Confusion is a word, not water. One is more water than word, so by being more one than the other, I do not think, as it is realized. 
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Reply from boymonk
Apr.02.2007
12:10AM EDT 
vertical line A wave is not water! :D
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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.02.2007
12:40AM EDT 
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vertical line I didn't say it. He did. And I am a trickle pickle.
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Reply from kelvintan
Apr.02.2007
03:41AM EDT 
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Zillion Enters New Birth Experiencing Again. Tasting Life Entertaining Suffering

Nothing to Grasp

See all as stream

Nothing is born

Nothing dies

With Metta

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Reply from ______
Apr.02.2007
07:11AM EDT 
vertical line The pole-star is a wave called change. Hello and goodbye to no hellos and goodbyes, hello er um looks like the sound of angel wings...craaaaash...booooooffff. Man, I love fresh figs in season.
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Reply from stephen
Apr.02.2007
09:36AM EDT 
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Here is the problem. We like being individual waves. Our little breaks, curls and foam. We are different, we are unique, and we are special. We start small, built is size and then crash over the top, only to become an undertow. We are reborn in slack water. The path of enlightenment is the heat of wisdom, the lift of meditation and the evaporation of our Buddha Nature. We become that 0.001 percent of the total Earth's water volume residing in the atmosphere. We are still water, we are still part of the whole but our form, view and structure has changed. Many things appear different but are, in truth, just a different form. MU

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Apr.02.2007
09:52AM EDT 
vertical line Ok prof, there goes a problem coming..banging the drum.
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Apr.02.2007
09:55AM EDT 
vertical line His waters are troubling troubled standing facing the entrance to his tomb.
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Apr.02.2007
09:57AM EDT 
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vertical line His and hers waters? Uh oh, back to facing the wall.
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Reply from HarryB
Apr.02.2007
10:26AM EDT 
vertical line ZenBeatles,

Just let your created waters break, its very fine, we're really free from the illusion of choice.

BTW, I remember you when you were just 4 nice young fellas from Liverpool.

Regards,

Harry.
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Reply from stephen
Apr.02.2007
11:13AM EDT 
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Quote: "His waters are troubling troubled standing facing the entrance to his tomb. "
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To illustrate one thing by its resemblance to another has been always the most popular and efficacious art of instruction. There is indeed no other method of teaching that of which anyone is ignorant but by means of something already known; and a mind so enlarged by contemplation and enquiry that it has always many objects within its view will seldom be long without some near and familiar image through which an easy transition may be made to truths more distant and obscure. --Samuel Johnson

Or 

  • He that voluntarily continues ignorance is guilty of all the crimes which ignorance produces, as to him that should extinguish the tapers of a lighthouse might justly be imputed the calamities of shipwrecks. --Samuel Johnson
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Reply from ______
Apr.02.2007
12:03PM EDT 
vertical line Spectators' eyes are blind.

Splash trouble the waters of the lake below sea-level going down opens into the tomb raising the dead sight to the blind the inrush of timelessness
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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.02.2007
12:05PM EDT 
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vertical line Take that, for a potato chip, and, uh... it's a crunchy delight!
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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.02.2007
12:19PM EDT 
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vertical line I knew it was lunch time!!! Food, come to papa!!! Just the good stuff.
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Reply from -----0
Apr.02.2007
12:24PM EDT 
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zenbeatles, it is not like that. Neither it is any other way. All the explanations are wrong. As long as you are trying to explain and understand on the conceptual level, you just produce more rebirth. Whenever everything seams to fit, you have surely missed it.

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Reply from HarryB
Apr.02.2007
12:24PM EDT 
vertical line I think you'll find that my MU is bigger than both of yours put together.

Regards,

HaMU.
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Apr.02.2007
12:32PM EDT 
vertical line cultivating big MUs?
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Reply from HarryB
Apr.02.2007
12:38PM EDT 
vertical line Mystic Undercarriage.

Regards,

H.
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Reply from Lynnoh
Apr.02.2007
06:31PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "

Quote: "His waters are troubling troubled standing facing the entrance to his tomb. "
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To illustrate one thing by its resemblance to another has been always the most popular and efficacious art of instruction. There is indeed no other method of teaching that of which anyone is ignorant but by means of something already known; and a mind so enlarged by contemplation and enquiry that it has always many objects within its view will seldom be long without some near and familiar image through which an easy transition may be made to truths more distant and obscure. --Samuel Johnson

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  • He that voluntarily continues ignorance is guilty of all the crimes which ignorance produces, as to him that should extinguish the tapers of a lighthouse might justly be imputed the calamities of shipwrecks. --Samuel Johnson

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hmmm... noticed there was a tiny lighthouse out on the small peice of land...though it looked like a light house... but I think it was really a water gage...

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Apr.02.2007
06:32PM EDT 
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Quote: "Spectators' eyes are blind.

Splash trouble the waters of the lake below sea-level going down opens into the tomb raising the dead sight to the blind the inrush of timelessness
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well... I should have read on...

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Apr.02.2007
06:34PM EDT 
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vertical line the trees were upside down... you know.. when the tops become the roots... feels sorta funny
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Reply from Lynnoh
Apr.02.2007
06:37PM EDT 
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and so there was all this speculation about the clouds and sky... like this:

sky does not bother cloud..

cloud does not bother sky

but sky is apart of cloud

and cloud is apart of sky

so when is it sky business and when it is cloud business?

when is it my business

and who asked when it was none of my business !!!  ?

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Apr.02.2007
07:32PM EDT 
vertical line .....
I wanna know
why clouds
come in between
you and I
between
you and I

open up my heart
and sing your song
right through me
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~Mike Scott~
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