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  One day when P'ang layman (740-808)was selling bamboo baskets at the market place of Hung-chou.
Seeing a monk begging alms, he took out a cash and said:
-Can you tell me how to appreciate alms?
The monk had nothing to say.
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vertical line Posted on Apr.16.2007 @ 09:47AM EDT by stephen

“The Buddha observed that as long there are people practicing correctly in line with the noble eightfold path, there will continue to be enlightened beings in the world. Even better evidence of the reality of enlightenment lies in the "gradual" nature of the Buddha's teachings. In the suttas, the Buddha speaks again and again of the many rewards awaiting those who follow the Path, long before they reach nibbana: the happiness that comes from developing generosity; the happiness that comes from living according to principles of virtue; the happiness that comes from developing loving-kindness (metta); the happiness that comes from practicing meditation and discovering the exquisite bliss of a quiet mind; the happiness that comes from abandoning painful states of mind; and so on. These can be tasted for yourself, to varying degrees, through Dhamma practice. Once you've personally verified a few of the Buddha's teachings, it becomes ever-easier to accept the possibility that the rest of his teachings are plausible — including his extraordinary claim that enlightenment is accessible to us.” MU


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vertical line How, lovely & compassited that was to read. Keep up the 8 fold path way of life. go with what you heart tells you in silents.
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vertical line The eightfold path is the same for everyone
And yet, each person's path is individual
Much like free will and destiny
both go hand in hand .. even when they look like polar opposites
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One finger index
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vertical line Points to the moon
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Jun.27.2012
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Whether one points at the Moon in the sky,

or at a reflection of the Moon in a mud puddle,

its the same thing.  Pointing at the Moon.

What difference does it make ?

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Whether one points at the Moon in the sky,


or at a reflection of the Moon in a mud puddle,


its the same thing.  Pointing at the Moon.


What difference does it make ?

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Why should it make any difference? The reflection in the mud hole is as much a part of what is as the object in the sky. Why should one be more valid than the other?
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Whether one points at the Moon in the sky,


or at a reflection of the Moon in a mud puddle,


its the same thing.  Pointing at the Moon.


What difference does it make ?

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Why should it make any difference? The reflection in the mud hole is as much a part of what is as the object in the sky. Why should one be more valid than the other?"
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Why should it make any difference? The reflection in the mud hole is as much a part of what is as the object in the sky. Why should one be more valid than the other?
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Yeah, thats what I meant.  It makes no difference.

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vertical line Clothes on the body cover a chill, cover a nakedness over a will.
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Whether one points at the Moon in the sky,

or at a reflection of the Moon in a mud puddle,

its the same thing.  Pointing at the Moon.

What difference does it make ?

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Pointing at the mud puddle is pointing at the moon ... but only when the puddle has found rest
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vertical line You don't want to look where your thoughts are pointing your attention; you want to look at your thoughts simply as fabrications.
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One night: light
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One night: light
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Bows and walks away
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Reply from leoj99
Jul.18.2012
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vertical line Enlightened beings are not those who knows. They are who don't know.

The Emperor asked Bodhidarma: Who are you? He said: I don't know.
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Quote: "Enlightened beings are not those who knows. They are who don't know.

The Emperor asked Bodhidarma: Who are you? He said: I don't know.
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Yes, as soon as you know that there is nothing to know, nothing to learn, nothing to teach,

it is as if a great weight has been lifted from you, and you are lightened.

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Jul.18.2012
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vertical line Seek and you shall be found.
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vertical line 8 Awakenings of Great Beings

- To have few desires
- To know how much is enough
- To enjoy serenity in seclusion
- Diligent effort
- To maintain right mindfulness
- Stability in meditation
- To cultivate wisdom
- Not to be engaged in hollow discussions
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vertical line Quote: "8 Awakenings of Great Beings

- To have few desires
- To know how much is enough
- To enjoy serenity in seclusion
- Diligent effort
- To maintain right mindfulness
- Stability in meditation
- To cultivate wisdom
- Not to be engaged in hollow discussions
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I think if you cultivate all those virtues you become rigid. You are not spontaneous in your actions. You are just like a programmed robot.
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vertical line They are one in the same. In an intention [to look] you ultimately let go. Where you go from there is always your decision. However you arrive it is always in acceptance. As you are, you'll always be. So leave it as it is because you can.
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vertical line But yeah, they are just one in the same. A model for you to stick up on your fridge. 8P
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vertical line The old man cries in the rain.
The young man laughs in the sun.
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vertical line The old man cries in the rain.
The young man laughs in the sun.
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vertical line Englightened being are not memorizing any teachings to follow.
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vertical line Don't follow this, not again.
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Quote: "Quote: "8 Awakenings of Great Beings

- To have few desires
- To know how much is enough
- To enjoy serenity in seclusion
- Diligent effort
- To maintain right mindfulness
- Stability in meditation
- To cultivate wisdom
- Not to be engaged in hollow discussions
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I think if you cultivate all those virtues you become rigid. You are not spontaneous in your actions. You are just like a programmed robot.

only the opposite, but again the western mind misinterprets and the eastern mind is comfortable with concepts that are not itemised

few desires is the title of a huge concept, and they haven't included in the dot point that desire is imperative, it's a matter of what is desired, it is a matter of your action on the desire etc,  refinement is the key, enlightenment is impossible without desire

if you want to be spontaneous you can not be more spontaneous then following the eightfold path because you have to be very' fluid'

rigidness accompanies, unrefined desires and empty pursuits

being free to behave in any manner you please, regardless of conscience or harm done, is not freedom, its a swiftly enclosing cage that breeds terror

of course, luckily we are free, on the surface of it, to make our own choices and pursue our interests, be diligent in your surveyance of your actions and motivations, regret hardly encompasses the repercussions otherwise



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vertical line When we walk, we walk
When we eat, we eat
there is nothing more
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vertical line There's more.
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vertical line Says the Bhikkhu...
"This is the only meditation I know. While I eat, I eat. While I walk, I walk. While I feel sleepy, I sleep. Whatsoever happens, happens. I never interfere."

He's just full of his emptiness, though.
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The sun, the moon, the truth ...
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and...creation

and some other stuff

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vertical line Your version of reality??
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vertical line Reality is not what you think. That is why Enlightened Beings are not thinkers. They don't think.
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vertical line Here she comes, the second coming of reality.
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vertical line Liberated artist reveals reality - really intangible, virtually more real than life - re-hidden but not reheated like zen karate - yes, you may be torn to pieces.
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vertical line Novice, Master and Artisan.

I'm somewhere around mastery, and not yet can I say refined as an artist (of meditation) for lack of a better term. What would that mean anyway? That would be within a cult as in culture, giving a teacher the reins, wearing the robe of sorts. I don't know if I'm down for that.
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Here I am, stuck in the muddle with you.
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in for being
out for becoming

voice quiets
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vertical line looking up at the moon right now is in its 1/2 phase, the earth hiding the other half

the earth meets the moon reaching out as a hand in the sky, the moon is the other hand

both planets meet in the sunlit sky reaching out in the light of love, as love is light
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vertical line Quote: "Reality is not what you think. That is why Enlightened Beings are not thinkers. They don't think. "
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is that how it works?
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is that how it works?
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vertical line Enlightened beings are intuitive that is why they are not thinkers. 
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Aug.13.2012
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vertical line That is why they just do zazen to open up and sharpen their Intuition.
Intuition is knowing without thinking.  If you are intuitive you are more of experiencing.
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vertical line Where is all this intuition coming from??
The same place all this thinking is coming from???
hahaha ... the thinker thinks and the intuitive intuits ... haha
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vertical line ahhh leo....im intuitive at times.....

buddha said....ah nevermind.

he didnt say one damned thing about not thinking.


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vertical line Everything we do, feel and think is food for the gods of intuition, beginning as a speck of light in the womb energy takes shapes. Feel any vibrations around the brow right now?

here, and there, as everywhere, always alive and interconnected  and
giving us all

bing
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that we are neither small or big
just am
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Devoid of this-that.
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Quote: "ahhh leo....im intuitive at times.....

buddha said....ah nevermind.

he didnt say one damned thing about not thinking.


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We are all intuitive, having some use of *sixth sense*.

Sitting and meditation strengthen our use of *sixth sense*, Yogic power.

Thats just a nice by product.  Mostly it just feels good to relax, to let go of everything....

And if that also helps you to be more in tune with things around you, all the better.

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One day I was taking a nap after work.

I awoke suddenly with the realization that the phone was about to ring, and that it was a co-worker named Oliver who would be calling.  I did not know why.

As I stood by the phone, waiting for it to ring, I contemplated picking it up and saying "Hi Oliver, whats going on", before it rang, to freak him out.  But I decided against it, because it would freak him out, and I didnt feel like explaining it to him, or anyone else he might tell.

A moment later the phone rang, and it was Oliver calling to wish me well as I was due to have eye surgery the next day.  I thanked him, and went back to bed.

Thats an example of the intuition that meditation builds up in you, but it is usually much more subtle than that.  You just know.

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