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Posted on Apr.18.2007 @ 08:52PM EDT by shayne
What does satori mean to you? what is its dynamics according to the mind ? Just curious as to the replies. thank you.
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Apr.19.2007
11:45AM EDT
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It means nothing to me. I don't think about it. |
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Reply from Lynnoh
Apr.19.2007
12:11PM EDT
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without a definition..how would I know what it means? |
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Reply from whatzen
Apr.19.2007
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satori
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Reply from Lynnoh
Apr.19.2007
12:36PM EDT
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do you suggest it as a backward body thing? |
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Reply from Siobhan
Apr.19.2007
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Satori, to understand. Enlightenment, comes suddenly, but not quickly or easily. |
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Reply from whatzen
Apr.19.2007
06:19PM EDT
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satori
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do you suggest it as a backward body thing?
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I just found the words interesting. On reflection I could try and put the meaning to the words as when one clings to a satori, or an understanding, it becomes a decayed artifact of memory and is no longer satori. Perhaps when a moment of satori is realized as fluid and never-ending it becomes realization. |
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Reply from Lynnoh
Apr.19.2007
08:46PM EDT
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satori
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do you suggest it as a backward body thing?
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I just found the words interesting. On reflection I could try and put the meaning to the words as when one clings to a satori, or an understanding, it becomes a decayed artifact of memory and is no longer satori. Perhaps when a moment of satori is realized as fluid and never-ending it becomes realization.
" ......... hmmmmmmmm " ......... hmmmmmmmm
this is interesting...but goes with the cogito ergo sum does it not? when writing the question "what is the essense of anything?" I looked up at the little figures on the computer and the wondered about memory... |
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Apr.19.2007
08:50PM EDT
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "
satori
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do you suggest it as a backward body thing?
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I just found the words interesting. On reflection I could try and put the meaning to the words as when one clings to a satori, or an understanding, it becomes a decayed artifact of memory and is no longer satori. Perhaps when a moment of satori is realized as fluid and never-ending it becomes realization.
" ......... hmmmmmmmm " ......... hmmmmmmmm
this is interesting...but goes with the cogito ergo sum does it not? when writing the question "what is the essense of anything?" I looked up at the little figures on the computer and the wondered about memory...
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Reply from shayne
Apr.19.2007
09:15PM EDT
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to me satori equals awakening. but what does awakening mean? |
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Reply from -----0
Apr.21.2007
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analyzing is not what one can apply to satori and awakening |
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Reply from ______
Apr.22.2007
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whoopee! Next. |
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Reply from Bezoomy
Apr.23.2007
06:42AM EDT
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It's just a thought, like everything, although one can always pretend it's any different. |
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Reply from fatnhappy
Apr.23.2007
09:20PM EDT
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I would say its a square of dark chocolate but here is another opinion
Satori (? Japanese satori; Chinese: wù - from the verb Satoru) is a Japanese Buddhist term for enlightenment. The word literally means "to understand". It is sometimes loosely used interchangeably with Kensho, but Kensho refers to the first perception of the Buddha-Nature or True-Nature, sometimes referred to as "awakening". Kensho
is not a permanent state of enlightenment, but rather a clear glimpse
of the true nature of creation. Satori on the other hand refers to
"deep" or lasting enlightenment. According to D. T. Suzuki, "Satori is the raison d'etre of Zen, without which Zen is no Zen. Therefore every contrivance, disciplinary and doctrinal, is directed towards satori."[1] Satori can be found in every moment of life, it is wrapped in all daily activities, its goal to unwrap them to see satori.
As an analogy, we may think of a baby when it first walks. After
much effort, it stands upright, finds its balance and walks a few steps
(kensho), then falls. After continued effort the child will one day
find that it is able to walk all the time (satori).
Once the True-Nature has been seen, it is customary to use satori when referring to the enlightenment of the Buddha and the Patriarchs, as their enlightenment was permanent.
The Zen Buddhist experience commonly recognizes enlightenment as a transitory thing in life, almost synonymous with the English term epiphany, and satori is the realization of a state of epiphanic enlightenment. Because all things are transitory according to Zen philosophy,
however, the transitory nature of satori is not regarded as limiting in
the way that a transitory epiphany would be in Western understandings
of enlightenment.
DT Suzuki writes that "Samadhi alone is not enough, you must come out of that state, be awakened from it, and that awakening is Prajna. That movement of coming out of samadhi, and seeing it for what it is, that is satori" [2]
The transitory nature of satori, as opposed to the more enduring Nirvana that is sought in the Buddhist traditions of India, owes much to Taoist influences on Chán Buddhism in China, from which Zen Buddhism of Japan evolved. Taoism is a mystical philosophy that emphasizes the purity of the moment, whereas the Hindu roots of Indian Buddhism lend a longer view toward escaping the Karmic prison of perpetual reincarnation in the material world.[1]
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Reply from whatzen
Apr.23.2007
10:39PM EDT
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Thanks for that. I had the meanings for kensho and satori switched the wrong way. |
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Reply from Lynnoh
Apr.24.2007
11:46AM EDT
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is the bottom congi "heart" |
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Reply from lehish
Apr.24.2007
01:22PM EDT
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Quote: "I would say its a square of dark chocolate but here is another opinion" ......... " .........
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Reply from shayne
Apr.24.2007
08:49PM EDT
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as complete and perfect sanity according to the one defination you have. also it means understanding.
it couldnt mean something outside yourself. nor a thought. so it must have to do with the subjective self and namely the attention.
to me it means to be in accord with the nonverbal reality. or what is is. |
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Reply from fatnhappy
Apr.25.2007
08:29PM EDT
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Quote: "
as complete and perfect sanity according to the one defination you have. also it means understanding.
it couldnt mean something outside yourself. nor a thought. so it must have to do with the subjective self and namely the attention.
to me it means to be in accord with the nonverbal reality. or what is is. " .........Indeed old friend , Indeedy :)
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Reply from Govindi
Apr.29.2007
07:50PM EDT
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DT Suzuki writes that "Samadhi alone is not enough, you must come out of that state, be awakened from it, and that awakening is Prajna. That movement of coming out of samadhi, and seeing it for what it is, that is satori" [2]
Prajna= wisdom of awakening... Satori= realization of samadhi(awakening). Even the Buddha was unsure if he should teach the dahrma, only through prajna paramita did he have the compassion to teach us all the path to nirvana... Metta to All :-)
PS>>> I thought it was chocolate... |
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Reply from shayne
Apr.29.2007
08:49PM EDT
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so............no mindedness? |
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Reply from lehish
Apr.30.2007
02:55AM EDT
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Quote: "PS>>> I thought it was chocolate..." .........
thought what was chocooate? |
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Reply from kelvintan
Apr.30.2007
09:39AM EDT
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SATORI
Simple Action Transcending One's Realisation Instantly
With Metta |
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Apr.30.2007
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Reply from Lynnoh
Apr.30.2007
11:30AM EDT
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Quote: "
Quote: "PS>>> I thought it was chocolate..." .........
thought what was chocooate?
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Reply from lehish
Apr.30.2007
12:59PM EDT
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hehehe :D |
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Reply from kelvintan
May.06.2007
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Quote: "I would say its a square of dark chocolate but here is another opinion
Satori (? Japanese satori; Chinese: wù - from the verb Satoru) is a Japanese Buddhist term for enlightenment. The word literally means "to understand". It is sometimes loosely used interchangeably with Kensho, but Kensho refers to the first perception of the Buddha-Nature or True-Nature, sometimes referred to as "awakening". Kensho is not a permanent state of enlightenment, but rather a clear glimpse of the true nature of creation. Satori on the other hand refers to "deep" or lasting enlightenment. According to D. T. Suzuki, "Satori is the raison d'etre of Zen, without which Zen is no Zen. Therefore every contrivance, disciplinary and doctrinal, is directed towards satori."[1] Satori can be found in every moment of life, it is wrapped in all daily activities, its goal to unwrap them to see satori.
As an analogy, we may think of a baby when it first walks. After much effort, it stands upright, finds its balance and walks a few steps (kensho), then falls. After continued effort the child will one day find that it is able to walk all the time (satori).
Once the True-Nature has been seen, it is customary to use satori when referring to the enlightenment of the Buddha and the Patriarchs, as their enlightenment was permanent.
The Zen Buddhist experience commonly recognizes enlightenment as a transitory thing in life, almost synonymous with the English term epiphany, and satori is the realization of a state of epiphanic enlightenment. Because all things are transitory according to Zen philosophy, however, the transitory nature of satori is not regarded as limiting in the way that a transitory epiphany would be in Western understandings of enlightenment.
DT Suzuki writes that "Samadhi alone is not enough, you must come out of that state, be awakened from it, and that awakening is Prajna. That movement of coming out of samadhi, and seeing it for what it is, that is satori" [2]
The transitory nature of satori, as opposed to the more enduring Nirvana that is sought in the Buddhist traditions of India, owes much to Taoist influences on Chán Buddhism in China, from which Zen Buddhism of Japan evolved. Taoism is a mystical philosophy that emphasizes the purity of the moment, whereas the Hindu roots of Indian Buddhism lend a longer view toward escaping the Karmic prison of perpetual reincarnation in the material world.[1]
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Sharing the above merits with you
Fathoming At Transitory Nature Helps Awakening Prajna Paramita Yourself
With Metta |
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Reply from kelvintan
May.06.2007
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Hi Bro,
Wordless. One Offers Dharma. Stillness, Movement And Non-existence
In Stillness there is still Movement
In Movement there is still Existence
In Existence there is still Non-Existence
In Non-Existence there is still Stillness
SIT
Still In Thoughts
With Metta |
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Reply from Woodsman
May.07.2007
09:54AM EDT
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mew? |
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Reply from Davidseon
May.08.2007
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Satori, Enlightenment, is discovering the how the mind realy works. It is not stillness, one must use it as mindfullness, wheather working ,sitting, or just observing. What is the by-product of Enlightenment? Nirvana. What is Nirvana? Nirvana is the ability to recognise everything as being a product of the mind and so enables one to put everything down.
Two monks were walking down a muddy road in China. The elder monk noticed a lady dressed in all her finery, trying to cross the road. The elder monk picked the lady up and carried her across the road. On their way back to the monestry, the older monk noticed that the younger monk was aggitated. The elder monk asked, " whats wrong, you seem upset?" The younger monk replied, " You touched a women, thats against the rules of our monestary!" The elder monk replied, " I merely picked her up and put her down, You are still carrying her!" |
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May.08.2007
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Satori, Enlightenment, is discovering the how the mind realy works. It is not stillness, one must use it as mindfullness, wheather working ,sitting, or just observing. What is the by-product of Enlightenment? Nirvana. What is Nirvana? Nirvana is the ability to recognise everything as being a product of the mind and so enables one to put everything down.
Two monks were walking down a muddy road in China. The elder monk noticed a lady dressed in all her finery, trying to cross the road. The elder monk picked the lady up and carried her across the road. On their way back to the monestry, the older monk noticed that the younger monk was aggitated. The elder monk asked, " whats wrong, you seem upset?" The younger monk replied, " You touched a women, thats against the rules of our monestary!" The elder monk replied, " I merely picked her up and put her down, You are still carrying her!"
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Hi Bro
Discover A Very Interesting Description Showing Enlightenment On Nirvana
“Disciples, there is a realm in which there is neither earth nor water, fire nor air; not endless space, infinite consciousness, nor nothingness; not perceptions nor non perceptions. In it there is neither this world nor another, neither sun nor moon. I call it neither a coming nor a going nor a standing still; not death, nor birth; it is without basis, change, or stability. Disciples, it is the end of sorrow.
For that which clings to another there is retrogression, but where there is no clinging there is no retrogression. Where no retrogression exists calm exists, and where there is calm there is no obsessive desire. Where obsessive desire is absent, there is neither coming nor going, and where coming and going have ended there is no death, no birth; where death and birth do not exist there is neither this life nor an afterlife, nor any in between – it is, disciples, the end of suffering.
Yet there is an Unoriginated, Unborn, Uncreated, Unformed. If this Unoriginated, Unborn, Uncreated, Unformed did not exist, there would be no liberation for whatever is originated, born, created, and formed. But since there is an Unoriginated, Unborn, Uncreated, Unformed, liberation is possible for whatever is originated, born created, and formed.”
With Metta To All |
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Reply from Woodsman
May.08.2007
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May.08.2007
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unbelievable - repeat chorus |
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Reply from Avisitor
Jun.17.2012
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From the silence .. comes attention and intent
Still a work in progress
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Reply from starduster
Jun.17.2012
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Quote: "I would say its a square of dark chocolate but here is another opinion
Satori (? Japanese satori; Chinese: wù - from the verb Satoru) is a Japanese Buddhist term for enlightenment. The word literally means "to understand". It is sometimes loosely used interchangeably with Kensho, but Kensho refers to the first perception of the Buddha-Nature or True-Nature, sometimes referred to as "awakening". Kensho is not a permanent state of enlightenment, but rather a clear glimpse of the true nature of creation. Satori on the other hand refers to "deep" or lasting enlightenment. According to D. T. Suzuki, "Satori is the raison d'etre of Zen, without which Zen is no Zen. Therefore every contrivance, disciplinary and doctrinal, is directed towards satori."[1] Satori can be found in every moment of life, it is wrapped in all daily activities, its goal to unwrap them to see satori.
As an analogy, we may think of a baby when it first walks. After much effort, it stands upright, finds its balance and walks a few steps (kensho), then falls. After continued effort the child will one day find that it is able to walk all the time (satori).
Once the True-Nature has been seen, it is customary to use satori when referring to the enlightenment of the Buddha and the Patriarchs, as their enlightenment was permanent.
The Zen Buddhist experience commonly recognizes enlightenment as a transitory thing in life, almost synonymous with the English term epiphany, and satori is the realization of a state of epiphanic enlightenment. Because all things are transitory according to Zen philosophy, however, the transitory nature of satori is not regarded as limiting in the way that a transitory epiphany would be in Western understandings of enlightenment.
DT Suzuki writes that "Samadhi alone is not enough, you must come out of that state, be awakened from it, and that awakening is Prajna. That movement of coming out of samadhi, and seeing it for what it is, that is satori" [2]
The transitory nature of satori, as opposed to the more enduring Nirvana that is sought in the Buddhist traditions of India, owes much to Taoist influences on Chán Buddhism in China, from which Zen Buddhism of Japan evolved. Taoism is a mystical philosophy that emphasizes the purity of the moment, whereas the Hindu roots of Indian Buddhism lend a longer view toward escaping the Karmic prison of perpetual reincarnation in the material world.[1]
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Understanding how and why *Things as It is* is gramatically correct is the wisdom acquired in Satori, Nirvana, Kensho, or Awakening. No permanence is implied or required, yet each plane of existence contains its own parameters, which may or may not include time and space, eternity and infinity, within things as it is.
Seeing is believing. If you find yourself in the Void, even for an instant, then you will consider yourself to be awakened, and even if you are wrong, totally deluded, you will still believe what you have seen, and no matter otherwise. It leaves no doubt because there is nothing left to doubt. Nothing left but nothingness. Not even nothing, which is in itself a something. Nothing left at all. |
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Jun.17.2012
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Jhana is utterly silent and still. Yet it is subject to "Quakes." Those quakes are Satori. Once it settles it settles into Suchness or Reality as it is. It's a letting go of conditioning. |
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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.17.2012
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Where words stop and we find meaning in bird songs the connection is being made.
When we fast our every breath takes in the surroundings and sends the message out, " am here . "
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Jun.18.2012
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Quote: "Jhana is utterly silent and still. Yet it is subject to "Quakes." Those quakes are Satori. Once it settles it settles into Suchness or Reality as it is. It's a letting go of conditioning. " .........
Im reminded of the Desiderata, which begins with
*Go placidly amid the noise and haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence....*
I have it hanging on my wall at home, and so rarely pause to read it. |
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