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Posted on May.08.2007 @ 06:38PM EDT by Harmony
A friend of mine is rather confused. She is interested in Buddhism but is also a Christian. Some friend of hers told her she can't be both. Personally I disagree but would like to get some facts before I talk to her about it.
What should I tell her.
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Reply from Woodsman
May.08.2007
07:56PM EDT
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Where is God? |
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Reply from Pendragon
May.08.2007
08:20PM EDT
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I suggest that she read ETHICS FOR THE NEW MILLENIUM by the Dalai Lama. It points to the common ground shared by Buddhism and other religions. I also suggest that as a Christian she might find some helpful teachings and practices in Buddhism. Some Christians (including religious orders) have taken up the practice of zazen without compromising their beliefs.
The Buddha did not seek to convert anyone away from other teachings. He even sent one student back to another teacher, telling the student to stick with a good teacher and a good teaching and, in effect, not to shop around for a new religion.
There is even a term (bompu) for zazen meditation practiced for health and well-being ithout any obligation to become a Buddhist.
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Reply from Pendragon
May.08.2007
08:22PM EDT
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Oh, and yes, Suzuki Roshi, the great zen monk who founded the San Francisco Zen Center, married a Christian. |
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Reply from Woodsman
May.08.2007
08:23PM EDT
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Can God exist in silence, without words?
What is sin?
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Reply from shayne
May.08.2007
08:38PM EDT
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you cant say anything about god. their is no reply. alan watts wrote a book about the parellelism between buddhism and christianity. i found it a boring read. suggest alan watts books to her. |
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Reply from Harmony
May.08.2007
08:46PM EDT
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Thank you. Very helpful. |
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Reply from kelvintan
May.08.2007
10:18PM EDT
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Having A Religion Mind Only Need You
to understand yourself.
Zen master Dogen said:
'To study Buddhism is to study yourself,
to study yourself is to forget yourself and
to forget yourself is to perceive yourself as
all things.'
With Metta to All
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May.09.2007
06:21AM EDT
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in>Loop>out>Loop>hear>here>it>come>&>go
ah...personally...can & can't...confused friend[s]...what shall we tell [t]he[r][m]? |
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Reply from ______
May.09.2007
06:23AM EDT
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Any more suggests?
God is Silence. I am the reply. |
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Reply from HarryB
May.09.2007
08:17AM EDT
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Yes, tell your friend to cultivate a Christ Complex.
There's lots of buddhismy type things on the market to try without buying the T-shirt. Buddha won't mind if your friend doesn't carry the membership card.
Regards,
Harry.
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Reply from Woodsman
May.09.2007
09:12AM EDT
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The Lord is your shepherd, you shall not want, anything, no tea, no mu, no nothin'. Ahhh...
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Reply from HarryB
May.09.2007
09:50AM EDT
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Hold the mint sauce.
Regards,
Harry.
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Reply from stephen
May.09.2007
10:05AM EDT
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In my Father's house there are many resting-places. Were it otherwise, I would have told you; for I am going to make ready a place for you. |
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Reply from HarryB
May.09.2007
10:10AM EDT
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What would your mother think, or does she just clean up?
Regards,
H.
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Reply from Woodsman
May.09.2007
10:35AM EDT
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God had a dream, and you're it. |
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Reply from Woodsman
May.09.2007
10:41AM EDT
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God said, "Let there be light."
And I said, "Who are you talkin' to?"
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Reply from Harmony
May.09.2007
10:52AM EDT
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lol lol
Thank you. Very helpful. |
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Reply from Harmony
May.09.2007
10:53AM EDT
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"God had a dream, and you're it."
I am my own dream.
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Reply from HarryB
May.09.2007
11:15AM EDT
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starlings shit and sing
on the black town cathedral -
Spring morning sunshine
And before anyone asks: I am NOT accepting membership fees from people who want to join me in worshipping starling shit... the money will only 'rest in my account'...
Regards,
Harry.
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Reply from Woodsman
May.09.2007
11:18AM EDT
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Quote: "
"God had a dream, and you're it."
I am my own dream.
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I believe you, now wake up.
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Reply from Harmony
May.09.2007
06:35PM EDT
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I am so awake all I see is a white room. |
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Reply from HarryB
May.09.2007
07:24PM EDT
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If the walls aren't padded then you probably shouldn't be here.
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Harry. |
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Reply from Harmony
May.09.2007
08:07PM EDT
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The walls are not padded. I like it here. |
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Reply from shayne
May.09.2007
09:15PM EDT
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so is jesus god to you woodsman? to me he is the son of god. perhaps we have a soul and jesus might come back. but god is still a silent mystery. no one can proclaim to talk to god without being labeled a nutcase.
perhaps it is a question we reincarnate and go to heaven. heaven being a temporal place. much like hell.
but this is all speculation. one with which a rational mind would dare not answer with a straight face.
the only reason i believe in the soul is cause i had a out of body experience and freaked my mother out by opening doors and such. |
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Reply from Woodsman
May.09.2007
09:59PM EDT
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Christ is in you. When you choose compassion over fear, that is Jesus leading you to heaven. It is also your Buddha nature leading you to enlightenment. Leading me, I mean. But we can lead each other, and that is what this is - life.
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Reply from Govindi
May.09.2007
11:30PM EDT
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"Some friend of hers told her she can't be both."
Harmony... I would say to your friend "When someone else tries to tell you how to practice, or that how you practice is wrong... RUN!!!" This path has many roads. We all choose the road we need, to get where we need to be. Many great beings have given us light to find our way on this well traveled path. (Do you think Christ would have said the Buddha's practice was wrong. Do you think the Buddha would have said Christ's practice was wrong....)
Metta to All... :-) |
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Reply from Harmony
May.10.2007
04:47AM EDT
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I understand. And this is what I told her. -
"Do what you feel driven to do. Go where you feel driven to go. It's your journey and no one has the right to tell you what is right and what is wrong for you. It is a personal journey. Personal to you alone." |
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Reply from ______
May.10.2007
06:22AM EDT
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This is not history.
This is the beginning.
God creats, hovers over the surface of your friend's confusion, now.
Let there be light! |
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Reply from aylamaya
May.10.2007
08:16AM EDT
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Romans 12:2 |
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Reply from plankton
May.10.2007
10:01AM EDT
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----Romans 12:2 -----
who is the other team, and what are they playing? |
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Reply from plankton
May.10.2007
10:10AM EDT
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---- A friend of mine is rather confused. She is interested in Buddhism but is also a Christian. Some friend of hers told her she can't be both. Personally I disagree but would like to get some facts before I talk to her about it.
What should I tell her. -----
there was no Christianity about at his time, and himself was a Jew that converted to Buddhism, its indicated in his teaching |
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Reply from aylamaya
May.10.2007
10:13AM EDT
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hide the salami...i'm a dick |
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Reply from aylamaya
May.10.2007
10:19AM EDT
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on that note: anyone read Waiting for Godot?
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Reply from plankton
May.10.2007
10:31AM EDT
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----hide the salami...i'm a dick---
its cool, in my previous i was a pig, have no fear of it now. |
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Reply from aylamaya
May.10.2007
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----hide the salami...i'm a dick---
its cool, in my previous i was a pig, have no fear of it now. " ......... can one post without fear? or communicate at all? |
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May.10.2007
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----hide the salami...i'm a dick---
its cool, in my previous life i was a pig, have no fear of it now.
" ......... can one post without fear? or communicate at all?----------
hi aylamaya,
there none here to measure you, whats to fear....... what about the romans you would like to be known. |
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Reply from Pendragon
May.10.2007
11:42AM EDT
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Speech is an important form of action.
All actions should be undertaken mindfully, with consideration of the probable consequences.
The speaker always needs to consider the listener. One would not say some things to children or to vulnerable people. |
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Reply from plankton
May.10.2007
12:55PM EDT
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i have no religon to follow like that, thank you for your consideration in showing your way. |
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Reply from kelvintan
May.10.2007
02:29PM EDT
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Quote: "
Speech is an important form of action.
All actions should be undertaken mindfully, with consideration of the probable consequences.
The speaker always needs to consider the listener. One would not say some things to children or to vulnerable people.
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Well said, wise one
Preventing Escalation Need Direct Reflective Action. Guiding Others Now
to reflect again and again before doing every act,
in speaking every word and in thinking every thought
May All Be Well and happy
with metta
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Reply from ______
May.12.2007
07:52AM EDT
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Thich Nhat Hanh knows my friend well and said to him, "Don't become a Buddhist." The Dalai Lama says the same thing to westerners - it's like running away from your deep spiritual traditions, he says. |
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Reply from Woodsman
May.12.2007
02:41PM EDT
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OMG, the second coming of Christ! But I'm already born again, and there was no rapture, yet. Hold on to what you love, or whom. We'll fly as pairs, minus the wings, but in each other, one. |
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Reply from Davidseon
May.12.2007
07:53PM EDT
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To be a Christian or not. To believe in God the creator or not. Zen is not about picking and choosing. Zen is about getting rid of erroneous thoughts that bring suffering. In this way, Zen uses the four noble truths and practices the eighfold path.
The four noble truths and the eightfold path may be practiced by anyone. At the heart of both Buddhism and Christianity lies compassion. Practice the eightfold path and have compassion and one could be called a good Buddhist or a good Christian.
The idea of Zen is to neither pick or choose, just be one with your true self. |
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Reply from Woodsman
May.12.2007
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I'll fly away, Oh glory, I'll fly away... When I die, hallelujah by and by, I'll fly away. |
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Reply from Govindi
May.13.2007
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I guess what comes to mind is "A path with Heart"(Jack Kornfield). It is as simple as asking yourself, when death is near, "Did I love well?" Also asking yourself "What did I do that was good in this life?" No matter what the philosophy or "religion", it comes down to... The Heart... Love... Care and Compassion... non judgement of others... shanti (peace).
Jesus and the Buddah are both depicted using mudra... I like that... it helps me to incorporate thier "teachings". Because, after all, it is thier teachings that benefit us most.
Metta to All... :-) |
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Reply from En Shin
May.20.2007
12:28AM EDT
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There are many paths to spiritual awakening. I think the Dalai Lama's comments, as presented, are cogent. One should look closely at the tradition one is born into. And many teachers have taught that Buddhism is not exclusive of other religious belief.
The big difference between Buddhism and and Christianity, as Christianity is commonly taught in America, is the emphasis on belief. American Christianity raises belief to the highest position, placing it above kindness, compassion, charity, empathy, good works. the simple fact is, no matter how much of a scoundrel you are, so long as you believe in Jesus and ask for forgiveness, you'll be saved.
Buddhism goes completely in the other direction, placing belief in the lowest position. In Buddhism, what you believe about god or heaven or religion is far less important than how you live your daily life, how you treat your fellow beings, moment by moment.
So Buddhism is tolerant of religious belief because it places so little value in it. The Buddha taught (in the Kalama Sutta, and other places) that one should examine one's religious beliefs along with all the rest of one's behaviors. Those which produce good results, such as kindness, compassion, quelling of passion, peace, should be cultivated. Those which produce the opposite should be rejected.
If one's religious beliefs impel, or even allow, one to willingly and knowingly cause pain and suffering to another being, human or otherwise, those beliefs must be seriously questioned. If they can't be corrected, they must be rejected. This is of particular importance in this day and time. How much of the news is filled with stories of people claiming that their religion, or their god, demands that they do harm to others in it's name?
Wishing, hoping and working for Peace,
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Reply from Pendragon
May.20.2007
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Thank you En Shin. To me personally, the original appeal of Buddhism was the absence of required beliefs and the emphasis on self-honesty. |
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May.21.2007
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"In Buddhism, what you believe about god or heaven or religion is far less important than how you live your daily life, how you treat your fellow beings, moment by moment."
Sounds like a belief to me, without which, you might be free! |
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Reply from ______
May.21.2007
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Self-honesty crunchy nut? |
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May.21.2007
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Oh no! Not a sheep's body with a (rotating) goat's head....aaaaaaarrrrrghhhhhh!! Please no, anything but that. |
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May.21.2007
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Quote: "Quote: "
Speech is an important form of action.
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Well said, wise one
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to reflect again and again before doing every act,
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May All Be Well and happy
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May.21.2007
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so this morning in service I'm reminded of Jesus...like I'm to "go back" and "from" but the understanding...........I cannot say any more...... |
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May.21.2007
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Quote: "so this morning in service I'm reminded of Jesus...like I'm to "go back" and "from" but the understanding...........I cannot say any more......" .........
Jesus would have said: Love Your Neighbour .Now Offer Humility
to All
Really With Metta
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May.21.2007
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I'm not much of a joiner, Buddha or otherwise. But in a room full of women, I'm just right, or so they all say to me, several times, in one night, the clean white light. What could ever go wrong?
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May.21.2007
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Jesus would have said?
Listen...Jesus says!
Crucify the ego on the cross of silence. |
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May.21.2007
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HOLY CHRIST! and Buddhism. Buds or suds? discuss... |
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Reply from Woodsman
May.21.2007
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Christ, is in you. Body of Christ, which is given up for you... grant us peace.
And...
You, are not your body.
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Reply from En Shin
May.22.2007
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Quote: "Christ, is in you. Body of Christ, which is given up for you... grant us peace.
And...
You, are not your body.
" .........
I have to say that last night when I stubbed my toe on the door jamb I was made keenly aware that I am indeed this body. And as I type here, I am my fingers and my eyes, and my thoughts and my words, and the computer, and my butt on the chair, and the chair against my butt, and the air going in and out of my lungs, and my lungs, and the owl which just called outside in the woods, and the sound of my dog breathing as she sleeps, and my dog breathing as she sleeps ... I am all of these things in this moment, and clearly my body is much of what I am. Indeed, even to say "my body" is wrong, redundant. There is no one who has this body, any more than there is someone here who has these thoughts. There is body, and there are thoughts, and they are having themselves. And having a good time at it, I might add.
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May.22.2007
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Hi Jesus. : ) |
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Reply from En Shin
May.22.2007
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Quote: ""In Buddhism, what you believe about god or heaven or religion is far less important than how you live your daily life, how you treat your fellow beings, moment by moment."
Sounds like a belief to me, without which, you might be free!" .........
To be free of belief does not mean to no longer have beliefs. Beliefs are unavoidable. because we are human. We can't get through a moment without a whole cluster of beliefs, about everything from the solidity of the floor under our feet to the sun's coming up tomorrow to the belief that there are other selves like us out there with which we might interact. Beliefs are of our nature.
To be free of belief means to understand the nature of belief, that all beliefs are contingent, incomplete, and of limited truth. Belief are a picture of reality, not reality itself. When we form a belief about something we step back from it and form a picture of it. The problem arises when we come to mistake our pictures for reality, or come to imagine that our pictures accurately represent reality, are indeed true.
Beliefs can only approximate truth at best, and can be wildly wrong, dangerously wrong. The worst part is, unless we are careful, we will not ven know how wrong our beliefs are. We'll just keep on believing them, in the face of mountains of facts pointing in some other direction, clinging to our faiths when they are irrelevant, wrongheaded, even causing pain and suffering in the world.
To be free of belief starts with the understanding that just because you believe it, doesn't make it true.
Peace,
En Shin
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May.22.2007
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"To be free of belief means to understand the nature of belief, that all beliefs are contingent, incomplete, and of limited truth."
Which is to say there is an ultimate truth. I wouldn't do that, En Shin, it'll get you nailed to a cross.
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May.22.2007
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Hachoo!
Excuse me... I mean Jesus. One in the body, we are one in the Lord.
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May.22.2007
06:51PM EDT
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Quote: ""To be free of belief means to understand the nature of belief, that all beliefs are contingent, incomplete, and of limited truth."
Which is to say there is an ultimate truth. I wouldn't do that, En Shin, it'll get you nailed to a cross.
Believe you're on the cross, if you are, then let that go when you're not, if you're not. And for Christ sake, don't push away!!" .........
Well, I wouldn't presume to make any great proclamations about what ultimate truth might be. If you can say it, think it, conceptualize it, analyze it, proclaim it or believe it, it's not Truth. Truth is experienced, and experience changes moment by moment.
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May.22.2007
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Quote: "Believe you're on the cross, if you are, then let that go when you're not, if you're not. And for Christ sake, don't push away!!" .........
Definitely want to make sure you get your feet free before your hands!
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Quote: "Quote: ""To be free of belief means to understand the nature of belief, that all beliefs are contingent, incomplete, and of limited truth."
Which is to say there is an ultimate truth. I wouldn't do that, En Shin, it'll get you nailed to a cross.
Believe you're on the cross, if you are, then let that go when you're not, if you're not. And for Christ sake, don't push away!!" .........
Well, I wouldn't presume to make any great proclamations about what ultimate truth might be. If you can say it, think it, conceptualize it, analyze it, proclaim it or believe it, it's not Truth. Truth is experienced, and experience changes moment by moment. " .........
I think what you mean is that if you can say it, think it, conceptualize it, analyze it, proclaim it or believe it, it may or may not be truth, true? |
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Quote: "Quote: "Believe you're on the cross, if you are, then let that go when you're not, if you're not. And for Christ sake, don't push away!!" .........
Definitely want to make sure you get your feet free before your hands!
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May.22.2007
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May.22.2007
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Believe you're on the cross, if you are, then let that go when you're not, if you're not. And for Christ sake, don't push away!!" .........
Definitely want to make sure you get your feet free before your hands!
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This is what I'm talk'n about, En Shin, if you free your feet first you'll just hang there by the hands." .........
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May.22.2007
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May.22.2007
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Reply from Woodsman
May.22.2007
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May.22.2007
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May.22.2007
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Constant mindfulness would better explain instead of reflecting like a mirror where no changes takes place.
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May.22.2007
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May.22.2007
10:58PM EDT
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May.23.2007
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I heard somewhere that when Buddha was doing his wandering he met three Rabbis who led him to Jerusalem. When he was there he learned the ancient truth from the Prophets and brought it back to India where he began his holy mission. Anyone else hear that? |
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May.23.2007
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May.23.2007
09:15AM EDT
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Quote: "A stubbed toe is the Universe’s way of trying to draw your attention to something. Don’t you think? " .........
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May.23.2007
09:34AM EDT
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Quote: "I heard somewhere that when Buddha was doing his wandering he met three Rabbis who led him to Jerusalem. When he was there he learned the ancient truth from the Prophets and brought it back to India where he began his holy mission. Anyone else hear that?" .........
With respect, I have to say that in all my studies of Buddhism I have
never encountered this notion. So far as anyone knows, the Buddha never left the area that is now northern India.
Moreover, there is virtually no
resemblance between early Judaism and early Buddhism. Additionally,
the Buddha specificlly gave many teachings which must be seen as
completely at odds with the Judaic teachings, including the denial of a
permanent self, the affirmation that one must question any teaching,
however revered, the notion that scriptures have no authority, and many
others.
On the other hand, there are some threads in later Judaic, and
post-Hellenic Greek, thought which seem to have come from contact with
the Buddhist world, and there are archeological artifacts from the
Middle East and Mediterranean which clearly indicate trade and other
contact between the Buddhist world and Classical Antiquity. The Buddha lived about 550 years BC. The Buddhist king Ashoka lived
about 250 BC, and was known in the Greek world. By the time of Christ,
the largest university in the world, Nalanda, was in Buddhist India,
and Buddhism was already spreading to China and Tibet.
In the final analysis, the notion of learning a "Holy truth from ancient prophets" is completely antihetical to the core teachings of Buddhism. Buddha taught against this very notion many times throughour his career. Even on his deathbed, after 45 years of teaching the Dharma, Buddha enjoined his followers to "be a lamp unto yourself, work out your own salvation with diligence."
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May.23.2007
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May.23.2007
11:45AM EDT
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Quote: "
Quote: "Kelvintan... are you speaking of reflecting like a mirror would?" .........
Constant mindfulness would better explain instead of reflecting like a mirror where no changes takes place.
You take care
With Metta
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May.23.2007
11:51AM EDT
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Quote: "Quote: "I heard somewhere that when Buddha was doing his wandering he met three Rabbis who led him to Jerusalem. When he was there he learned the ancient truth from the Prophets and brought it back to India where he began his holy mission. Anyone else hear that?" .........
With respect, I have to say that in all my studies of Buddhism I have never encountered this notion. So far as anyone knows, the Buddha never left the area that is now northern India.
Moreover, there is virtually no resemblance between early Judaism and early Buddhism. Additionally, the Buddha specificlly gave many teachings which must be seen as completely at odds with the Judaic teachings, including the denial of a permanent self, the affirmation that one must question any teaching, however revered, the notion that scriptures have no authority, and many others.
On the other hand, there are some threads in later Judaic, and post-Hellenic Greek, thought which seem to have come from contact with the Buddhist world, and there are archeological artifacts from the Middle East and Mediterranean which clearly indicate trade and other contact between the Buddhist world and Classical Antiquity. The Buddha lived about 550 years BC. The Buddhist king Ashoka lived about 250 BC, and was known in the Greek world. By the time of Christ, the largest university in the world, Nalanda, was in Buddhist India, and Buddhism was already spreading to China and Tibet.
In the final analysis, the notion of learning a "Holy truth from ancient prophets" is completely antihetical to the core teachings of Buddhism. Buddha taught against this very notion many times throughour his career. Even on his deathbed, after 45 years of teaching the Dharma, Buddha enjoined his followers to "be a lamp unto yourself, work out your own salvation with diligence."
Peace,
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May.23.2007
11:53AM EDT
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Quote: "Quote: "
Quote: "Kelvintan... are you speaking of reflecting like a mirror would?" .........
Constant mindfulness would better explain instead of reflecting like a mirror where no changes takes place.
You take care
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neither hot nor cold... but the use of a kobakusa...is considerate..... watching the reflections of a fire on the wall called shadow ?
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May.23.2007
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "I heard somewhere that when Buddha was doing his wandering he met three Rabbis who led him to Jerusalem. When he was there he learned the ancient truth from the Prophets and brought it back to India where he began his holy mission. Anyone else hear that?" .........
With respect, I have to say that in all my studies of Buddhism I have never encountered this notion. So far as anyone knows, the Buddha never left the area that is now northern India.
Moreover, there is virtually no resemblance between early Judaism and early Buddhism. Additionally, the Buddha specificlly gave many teachings which must be seen as completely at odds with the Judaic teachings, including the denial of a permanent self, the affirmation that one must question any teaching, however revered, the notion that scriptures have no authority, and many others.
On the other hand, there are some threads in later Judaic, and post-Hellenic Greek, thought which seem to have come from contact with the Buddhist world, and there are archeological artifacts from the Middle East and Mediterranean which clearly indicate trade and other contact between the Buddhist world and Classical Antiquity. The Buddha lived about 550 years BC. The Buddhist king Ashoka lived about 250 BC, and was known in the Greek world. By the time of Christ, the largest university in the world, Nalanda, was in Buddhist India, and Buddhism was already spreading to China and Tibet.
In the final analysis, the notion of learning a "Holy truth from ancient prophets" is completely antihetical to the core teachings of Buddhism. Buddha taught against this very notion many times throughour his career. Even on his deathbed, after 45 years of teaching the Dharma, Buddha enjoined his followers to "be a lamp unto yourself, work out your own salvation with diligence."
Peace,
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May.23.2007
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Quote: "Quote: "I heard somewhere that when Buddha was doing his wandering he met three Rabbis who led him to Jerusalem. When he was there he learned the ancient truth from the Prophets and brought it back to India where he began his holy mission. Anyone else hear that?" .........
With respect, I have to say that in all my studies of Buddhism I have never encountered this notion. So far as anyone knows, the Buddha never left the area that is now northern India.
Moreover, there is virtually no resemblance between early Judaism and early Buddhism. Additionally, the Buddha specificlly gave many teachings which must be seen as completely at odds with the Judaic teachings, including the denial of a permanent self, the affirmation that one must question any teaching, however revered, the notion that scriptures have no authority, and many others.
On the other hand, there are some threads in later Judaic, and post-Hellenic Greek, thought which seem to have come from contact with the Buddhist world, and there are archeological artifacts from the Middle East and Mediterranean which clearly indicate trade and other contact between the Buddhist world and Classical Antiquity. The Buddha lived about 550 years BC. The Buddhist king Ashoka lived about 250 BC, and was known in the Greek world. By the time of Christ, the largest university in the world, Nalanda, was in Buddhist India, and Buddhism was already spreading to China and Tibet.
In the final analysis, the notion of learning a "Holy truth from ancient prophets" is completely antihetical to the core teachings of Buddhism. Buddha taught against this very notion many times throughour his career. Even on his deathbed, after 45 years of teaching the Dharma, Buddha enjoined his followers to "be a lamp unto yourself, work out your own salvation with diligence."
Peace,
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Oops! I think I got it all backwards. I get those guys mixed up! When you hear one truth youve heard em all....its the fabrications and the myth making and all the written histories that get fuzzy |
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "I heard somewhere that when Buddha was doing his wandering he met three Rabbis who led him to Jerusalem. When he was there he learned the ancient truth from the Prophets and brought it back to India where he began his holy mission. Anyone else hear that?" .........
With respect, I have to say that in all my studies of Buddhism I have never encountered this notion. So far as anyone knows, the Buddha never left the area that is now northern India.
Moreover, there is virtually no resemblance between early Judaism and early Buddhism. Additionally, the Buddha specificlly gave many teachings which must be seen as completely at odds with the Judaic teachings, including the denial of a permanent self, the affirmation that one must question any teaching, however revered, the notion that scriptures have no authority, and many others.
On the other hand, there are some threads in later Judaic, and post-Hellenic Greek, thought which seem to have come from contact with the Buddhist world, and there are archeological artifacts from the Middle East and Mediterranean which clearly indicate trade and other contact between the Buddhist world and Classical Antiquity. The Buddha lived about 550 years BC. The Buddhist king Ashoka lived about 250 BC, and was known in the Greek world. By the time of Christ, the largest university in the world, Nalanda, was in Buddhist India, and Buddhism was already spreading to China and Tibet.
In the final analysis, the notion of learning a "Holy truth from ancient prophets" is completely antihetical to the core teachings of Buddhism. Buddha taught against this very notion many times throughour his career. Even on his deathbed, after 45 years of teaching the Dharma, Buddha enjoined his followers to "be a lamp unto yourself, work out your own salvation with diligence."
Peace,
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Mutually incompatible. So what he's saying is "be a lamp unto yourself, work out your own salvation with diligence," so long as it agrees with my beliefs. DEEEERRRRRRRRR! |
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May.23.2007
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May.23.2007
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May.23.2007
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May.23.2007
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That'll sell! Trvst me, I know noteth. Now all I need is a box, I mean bag. Some rain is what we really needeth. I selleth everything! Or can at leatht put a valueth on iteths! I've lost my eth! Thit!
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May.23.2007
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Eternal life for sale!
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May.23.2007
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Thanks for the many insightful comments.
What I mean by "antithetical" is this:
A "revealed" religion such as Christianity (and Judaism and Islam) claims to have final and ultimate truth, revealed by god. That ultimate truth rests in its body of scriptures. Its argument for that truth is an argument from authority, generally something like, "The scriptures say such and such, and because it is in the scriptures and the scriptures were revealed by god, such and such must be true." We are enjoined to accept that "truth" on the authority of those scriptures, and believe it as truth, as a requisite for obtaining what the religion has to offer, in the case of Christianity, eternal salvation.
Buddhism is diametrically opposed to this approach. It is not a revealed religion, and does not claim to be. It is indeed the opposite of a revealed religion. It expressly denies the validity of the argument from authority in many diferent ways, and says in its own "scriptures" that the argument from scriptural authority is to be rejected. Furthermore, it is taught in Buddhism that one cannot be "saved" by one's beliefs, nor can one be "saved" by anyone else. Just believing in something called "enlightenment" is not enough, is not anything at all. You have to wake up, you, yourself, in this moment. No one can do it for you.
It is like having a bottle of pills in front of you which are a cure for a dire disease which you have. Just believing that they will cure you doesn't get the job done. You have to eat the pills.
For those who might not have seen it, here is the relevant part of the Kalama Sutta, according to tradition spoken by the Buddha himself, which applies directly to this question:
(I do not ask you to accept even this on some sort of scriptural authority. Simply try it as a tool to measure your beliefs, and understand that Buddhism encourages you to look for the truth and find it in your own experience, rather than trying to tell it to you and asking you to believe it.)
The Kalamas who were inhabitants of Kesaputta sitting on one side said to the Blessed One: "There are some monks and brahmans, venerable sir, who visit Kesaputta. They expound and explain only their own doctrines; the doctrines of others they despise, revile, and pull to pieces. Some other monks and brahmans too, venerable sir, come to Kesaputta. They also expound and explain only their own doctrines; the doctrines of others they despise, revile, and pull to pieces. Venerable sir, there is doubt, there is uncertainty in us concerning them. Which of these reverend monks and brahmans spoke the truth and which falsehood?"
"It is proper for you, Kalamas, to doubt, to be uncertain; uncertainty has arisen in you about what is doubtful. Come, Kalamas. Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing; nor upon tradition; nor upon rumor; nor upon what is in a scripture; nor upon surmise; nor upon an axiom; nor upon specious reasoning; nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over; nor upon another's seeming ability; nor upon the consideration, 'The monk is our teacher.' Kalamas, when you yourselves know: 'These things are bad; these things are blamable; these things are censured by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to harm and ill,' abandon them.
"Come, Kalamas. Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing; nor upon tradition; nor upon rumor; nor upon what is in a scripture; nor upon surmise; nor upon an axiom; nor upon specious reasoning; nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over; nor upon another's seeming ability; nor upon the consideration, 'The monk is our teacher.' Kalamas, when you yourselves know: 'These things are good; these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness,' enter on and abide in them.
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "I heard somewhere that when Buddha was doing his wandering he met three Rabbis who led him to Jerusalem. When he was there he learned the ancient truth from the Prophets and brought it back to India where he began his holy mission. Anyone else hear that?" .........
With respect, I have to say that in all my studies of Buddhism I have never encountered this notion. So far as anyone knows, the Buddha never left the area that is now northern India.
Moreover, there is virtually no resemblance between early Judaism and early Buddhism. Additionally, the Buddha specificlly gave many teachings which must be seen as completely at odds with the Judaic teachings, including the denial of a permanent self, the affirmation that one must question any teaching, however revered, the notion that scriptures have no authority, and many others.
On the other hand, there are some threads in later Judaic, and post-Hellenic Greek, thought which seem to have come from contact with the Buddhist world, and there are archeological artifacts from the Middle East and Mediterranean which clearly indicate trade and other contact between the Buddhist world and Classical Antiquity. The Buddha lived about 550 years BC. The Buddhist king Ashoka lived about 250 BC, and was known in the Greek world. By the time of Christ, the largest university in the world, Nalanda, was in Buddhist India, and Buddhism was already spreading to China and Tibet.
In the final analysis, the notion of learning a "Holy truth from ancient prophets" is completely antihetical to the core teachings of Buddhism. Buddha taught against this very notion many times throughour his career. Even on his deathbed, after 45 years of teaching the Dharma, Buddha enjoined his followers to "be a lamp unto yourself, work out your own salvation with diligence."
Peace,
En Shin " ......... what do you mean by antithetical? " .........
Mutually incompatible. So what he's saying is "be a lamp unto yourself, work out your own salvation with diligence," so long as it agrees with my beliefs. DEEEERRRRRRRRR!" .........
dear,
while walking to do breakfast a deer stood in the roadway and we looked at one another... for quiet some time, you see.... (seeing throught he eyes of a deer might be)and the deer came closer...but I had to go to make breakfast...so I slowly walked up the road and the deer walked into the feild next to the road... I got to the farmhouse and went inside...by the time I turned around the deer was right at the doorway to enter........ I wonder what might have happened had I left the door open :) |
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Reply from oglevoid
May.29.2007
10:30AM EDT
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Without the development of individual awareness there can be no true religion. The "what would Jesus do" movement is an effort to have Christians actually meditate before they act. If you want to follow Jesus Christ listening to the Buddha is certainly an excellent start. |
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Reply from ______
May.29.2007
10:45AM EDT
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What's 'The what would Jesus do movement?' |
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Reply from ______
May.30.2007
06:39AM EDT
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Christ is not Jesus of Nazareth's last name -as in, you know: Mr and Mrs Jesus Christ. Jesus is the personality, the body, in which Christ Consciousness was born. Christ Consciousness can't be restricted by the body of one human being - thus the Christed being is always, and continually, 'born again', directly from spirit and out of matter. |
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Reply from Woodsman
May.30.2007
09:33AM EDT
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Oh who cares. |
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Reply from HarryB
May.30.2007
11:41AM EDT
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Science fiction writers and the tax man.
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Reply from Woodsman
May.30.2007
01:14PM EDT
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Jesus is a tax man? I knew that. |
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Reply from ______
May.31.2007
01:05PM EDT
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Not taxes, not 1 Acacia Avenue, not even science function and that'd be Jesus who cares. |
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Reply from HarryB
May.31.2007
01:11PM EDT
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Haven't seen him recently, wouldn't know... if his buddies are anything to go by it all seems terribly loaded.
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Reply from ______
May.31.2007
01:39PM EDT
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Oh well - at least you care enough to log on to an internet message board, and leave your little messages. |
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Reply from Woodsman
May.31.2007
02:01PM EDT
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My neighbor had a dream where he saw the real Jesus!
"Good for you!" I said, or thought, or was it "God for you"? IT was for him anyway.
I just dreamed I was a cupcake. You don't wanna know.
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Reply from ______
May.31.2007
02:07PM EDT
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Vanilla tea works its vanilleryness everytime. |
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Reply from ______
May.31.2007
03:55PM EDT
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Who's who? |
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