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  Posted on Aug.20.2009 @ 11:07PM EDT by chontri

Bhikkhus, what is ignorance?
Not knowing suffering,
Not knowing the origin of suffering,
Not knowing the cessation of suffering,
Not knowing the path leading to... continue...

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vertical line Posted on May.22.2007 @ 06:09AM EDT by kelvintan

No problem could be solved by the same level of consciousness which created it in the first place. Same level of consciousness produces different thoughts. You need another level to resolve it. When people cannot discuss in a reasonable manner, usually they end up quarrelling. Am I right?  So can we all  have a decent discussion?

Have Compassion for one another

With Metta To All


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vertical line In other words, have a decent discussion, chaps!
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vertical line let's flow between the levels
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Try to put yourself into the shoe of others. Words can bring us gain or loss, praise or blame, good repute or ill will, happiness or misery. With ill intention, it puts the receiver on the defensive and often or not one  will strive to justify oneself. Everyone got their pride, it hurts one's sense of importance and arouse one's resentment to retaliate. So let us all practice mindfulness and give constructive criticism if need be.

With Metta

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vertical line All well said and well taken. 

This is an interesting, challenging conversation, made moreso by the difficulty in conveying tone.  For me, I appreciate everyone's comments, hold no ill feelings toward anyone, and hope I convey that in my postings.  If I have given offence to anyone here, please accept my sincere apology.

Peace,

En Shin
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 What is the great leveler?

Hey, whos level are you on anyway?

Why does there have to be such an infinity of levels? I will never get there.

There is no I level. Is there an eye level?

I hate it when Im at the bottom of an inclined plane.

You dont need a level to build a hut.

Whats level backwards?

I will never get to your level. But you will never get to mine. That makes us even.

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You guys are all on the level.

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Quote: "All well said and well taken. 

This is an interesting, challenging conversation, made moreso by the difficulty in conveying tone.  For me, I appreciate everyone's comments, hold no ill feelings toward anyone, and hope I convey that in my postings.  If I have given offence to anyone here, please accept my sincere apology.

Peace,

En Shin
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It is our unwillingness to look at what is actually happening. We all have the ability to reflect and discrimate between constructive and destructive actions.

This is the practise that  we all need to overcome

 With Metta

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 What is the great leveler?

Hey, whos level are you on anyway?

Why does there have to be such an infinity of levels? I will never get there.

There is no I level. Is there an eye level?

I hate it when Im at the bottom of an inclined plane.

You dont need a level to build a hut.

Whats level backwards?

I will never get to your level. But you will never get to mine. That makes us even.

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You guys are all on the level.

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What's Happening? All The Zen-guide Exchanges Navigating

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Everyone Now  Share, Heals, Inspire, Nurture

and guide one another. We are all on the same boat

With One's Own Dharma. Share  Many Advices Needed

Humility measures our value

Life is a process of rediscovering your worth and the worth of all

beings

With Metta To All

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Oh my God! I'm starting to sound like old sawdust!
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 What is the great leveler?

Hey, whos level are you on anyway?

Why does there have to be such an infinity of levels? I will never get there.

There is no I level. Is there an eye level?

I hate it when Im at the bottom of an inclined plane.

You dont need a level to build a hut.

Whats level backwards?

I will never get to your level. But you will never get to mine. That makes us even.

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You guys are all on the level.

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What's Happening? All The Zen-guide Exchanges Navigating

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Everyone Now  Share, Heals, Inspire, Nurture

and guide one another. We are all on the same boat

With One's Own Dharma. Share  Many Advices Needed

Humility measures our value

Life is a process of rediscovering your worth and the worth of all

beings

With Metta To All

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We may all be in the same boat but there's a hole in it and its sinking. Some of us are bailing out water, some of us are shouting out orders. That guy over there is hiding the food. Where is whats her name? Oh shes diving for pearls. Come on, all together now, everyone blow hard into the sail. Hey, whos paddling? Whos got the rudder? Okay, now we got it. thats good, put that gum in the hole. Get some wind in that sail...One, two, three...BLOW! Hello, is that land over there? No, its just a mirage. Thats okay, lets make for it anyway, I see palm trees and a barbeque. Well I see pine trees and a Dennys. I see another sinking boat.

To be continued. Tune in again. What will happen to our adventurers in the next exciting adventure?

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Come on, get your breath up, the sails floundering!

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We may all be in the same boat but there's a hole in it and its sinking. Some of us are bailing out water, some of us are shouting out orders. That guy over there is hiding the food. Where is whats her name? Oh shes diving for pearls. Come on, all together now, everyone blow hard into the sail. Hey, whos paddling? Whos got the rudder? Okay, now we got it. thats good, put that gum in the hole. Get some wind in that sail...One, two, three...BLOW! Hello, is that land over there? No, its just a mirage. Thats okay, lets make for it anyway, I see palm trees and a barbeque. Well I see pine trees and a Dennys. I see another sinking boat.

To be continued. Tune in again. What will happen to our adventurers in the next exciting adventure?

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Nicely Done!  And a great take on the whole "teachig as raft" parable.

Cheers!
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 What is the great leveler?

Hey, whos level are you on anyway?

Why does there have to be such an infinity of levels? I will never get there.

There is no I level. Is there an eye level?

I hate it when Im at the bottom of an inclined plane.

You dont need a level to build a hut.

Whats level backwards?

I will never get to your level. But you will never get to mine. That makes us even.

levelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevel

You guys are all on the level.

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What's Happening? All The Zen-guide Exchanges Navigating

to?

Everyone Now  Share, Heals, Inspire, Nurture

and guide one another. We are all on the same boat

With One's Own Dharma. Share  Many Advices Needed

Humility measures our value

Life is a process of rediscovering your worth and the worth of all

beings

With Metta To All

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We may all be in the same boat but there's a hole in it and its sinking. Some of us are bailing out water, some of us are shouting out orders. That guy over there is hiding the food. Where is whats her name? Oh shes diving for pearls. Come on, all together now, everyone blow hard into the sail. Hey, whos paddling? Whos got the rudder? Okay, now we got it. thats good, put that gum in the hole. Get some wind in that sail...One, two, three...BLOW! Hello, is that land over there? No, its just a mirage. Thats okay, lets make for it anyway, I see palm trees and a barbeque. Well I see pine trees and a Dennys. I see another sinking boat.

To be continued. Tune in again. What will happen to our adventurers in the next exciting adventure?

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my sister just emailed me an email about valueing time..but I'm sure that doesn't fit in a story about sailing and wind and water....... teaching says the other guy....... oh well

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 What is the great leveler?

Hey, whos level are you on anyway?

Why does there have to be such an infinity of levels? I will never get there.

There is no I level. Is there an eye level?

I hate it when Im at the bottom of an inclined plane.

You dont need a level to build a hut.

Whats level backwards?

I will never get to your level. But you will never get to mine. That makes us even.

levelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevelevel

You guys are all on the level.

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What's Happening? All The Zen-guide Exchanges Navigating

to?

Everyone Now  Share, Heals, Inspire, Nurture

and guide one another. We are all on the same boat

With One's Own Dharma. Share  Many Advices Needed

Humility measures our value

Life is a process of rediscovering your worth and the worth of all

beings

With Metta To All

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We may all be in the same boat but there's a hole in it and its sinking. Some of us are bailing out water, some of us are shouting out orders. That guy over there is hiding the food. Where is whats her name? Oh shes diving for pearls. Come on, all together now, everyone blow hard into the sail. Hey, whos paddling? Whos got the rudder? Okay, now we got it. thats good, put that gum in the hole. Get some wind in that sail...One, two, three...BLOW! Hello, is that land over there? No, its just a mirage. Thats okay, lets make for it anyway, I see palm trees and a barbeque. Well I see pine trees and a Dennys. I see another sinking boat.

To be continued. Tune in again. What will happen to our adventurers in the next exciting adventure?

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Life is just like Waves, Hurricane And Turbulent Zust Emotional Nature

                           Boat Or Yacht Matters.  One Need Keep on staying alive in the

                          Waves OOthers' Delusion So Many Are Now Drowning

Help Them

With Lots of Metta To All

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and it said LOSE ONE  :(

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I don't know much about anything...but I know I don't like to feel someone is hurting..even if I don't know how

good day everyone

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I apologize for any confusion

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vertical line Energy and matter coexist. Thought and mind do too. Time is irrelevant, no time is more important than now, release the past and future. What is important is letting go of suffering and fear, with each thought, each word, each look, each touch, release the suffering way. Now, that we have the option...
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Quote: "Energy and matter coexist. Thought and mind do too. Time is irrelevant, no time is more important than now, release the past and future. What is important is letting go of suffering and fear, with each thought, each word, each look, each touch, release the suffering way. Now, that we have the option... "
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this morning I read Katagiri Roshi and he said something like..if you cannot let it go..bring it in...this is the same anyways.....letting go doesn't make much sense to me...but moving through it, into not into.... does. but what about "option"?

I apologize really for any upsettedness... someone once said if you can ask the question..then you already have the answer... do you know? can you ask a question in thought but only realize the answer........ because it sometimes feels like I ask a lot of things about the amazing... but don't seem to find the answer...or something..

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Quote: "while on the phone with a small child of five who wants to live with his grandma...and there seems to be no words that fit what I know...even though I tell him we are together... what good is the conversations that hit the mark...sameness...or all the blue lights in the room at the time...if I cannot learn how to stop this little boys pain..what good is it"
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Lovingly.You Now Need Offer Happiness

Wonderful .One's Orphan. Dad Still-have Mum And grand-Nanny

Grandson is very lucky

For me

No Mum

No Dad

So Sad

With Metta To Both of You

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