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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: CARLOS CASTANEDA
vertical line Posted on Jun.04.2007 @ 01:21PM EDT by Boonton

Hello all,  I'm somewhat new to Zen and Buddhism but so far I think I've found something true and valuable.

I was wondering, though, about the advertisements for Carlos Castaneda's books on the home page.  From what I can tell these were selected by the editor as recommended books and not selected by Amazon's ad engines.

Castaneda was a disturbing figure.  In the 70's his books were the rage among New Age types but scholars took them apart and revealed much of them to be hoaxes and fabrications.  More disturbingly he built a cult of personality around him.  When he died several of his followers disappeared only to have their skeletons to be found years later in the desert, they either committed suicide or died trying to 'follow him'. 

I read one or two of his books when I was younger and found them inspiring but I would question whether it's wise to recommend them knowing what we now know.  Also even if you leave aside what we know of Castaneda are his books really compatitable with Zen?  His 'theology' seems centered on ignoring reality and retreating into a fantasy world where we can cultivate magical powers, speak with spirits, demons and other supernatural beings and in general escape reality.  From what I've explored regarding Zen, so far, it's message seems to be just the opposite.  Reality is not something that we can or should try to escape from and retreating into fantasy worlds only causes suffering.


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Jun.04.2007
02:04PM EDT 
vertical line This message board will probably be in agreement or no. I should publish my findings.
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Jun.04.2007
02:53PM EDT 
vertical line No really, yes. I wrote part of a thesis on little Carlos. He invented the Yaqui man of knowledge, don Juan, in his basement flat, then went out into the desert looking for him, peyote, datura and the little smoke. The academics mostly agree now that he ripped Peter Furst's ethnography off as well. He sent me a letter to prove it.
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Jun.04.2007
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vertical line I read life.
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Jun.04.2007
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vertical line Hi, I'm Mandy, read me. I read. I worship. The universe. It's a book that never closes. It's all on page one.
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Jun.04.2007
03:15PM EDT 
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vertical line Hi, my name is John, and I am not a Castanedic. You may all wonder why I am here today. Open your bibles, to the book of John... 3:16.

There's a newborn fawn out back. To know and love this world is to become like this... minus the book, word, and letter. Nature opens the heart to beauty, and speaks with tongues of fire. The sound descends as showers of light transcend. We know all as one light.
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Jun.04.2007
03:42PM EDT 
vertical line Hello, my name is Paul. Not everyone who looks at the cross as spectator, can see the healing power coming out from the snake. To see it from the inside lifts up that new born fawn, so I believe.
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Reply from Lynnoh
Jun.04.2007
03:49PM EDT 
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vertical line whats a fantasy world?
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Reply from HarryB
Jun.04.2007
03:53PM EDT 
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Any seemingly perfect or imperfect one.

Regards,

Harry.

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Jun.04.2007
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"Also even if you leave aside what we know of Castaneda are his books really compatitable with Zen?"

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Did he write what he saw? probably. Is that dangerous to you? probably not. Is it compatitable with Zen? Only in terms of reality being in the eyes of the beholder. Never be surprized or fearfull of what you see or others see. MU

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Jun.04.2007
05:26PM EDT 
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"Also even if you leave aside what we know of Castaneda are his books really compatitable with Zen?"

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Did he write what he saw? probably. Is that dangerous to you? probably not. Is it compatitable with Zen? Only in terms of reality being in the eyes of the beholder. Never be surprized or fearfull of what you see or others see. MU

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Ok, you're scarin'  me. Now what?
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Jun.04.2007
05:27PM EDT 
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vertical line Don't answer that!
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Jun.04.2007
05:29PM EDT 
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vertical line Ok, you can now.

But!

No.

Ok.


Caaarrrrlllloooossss...ie
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Jun.04.2007
05:30PM EDT 
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vertical line Um,  a good 12 step program, and duck tape.
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Jun.04.2007
06:17PM EDT 
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vertical line Forget the 12 steps. Duck tape! "Quack!" 
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Jun.04.2007
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vertical line mmm...ffpphh!!!
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Jun.04.2007
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vertical line I think you guys fool with me sometimes... reality seems to be two kinds...the accepted and the......... ? hm
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Jun.04.2007
07:12PM EDT 
vertical line separate? Or is it a separate reality that's the accepted consensus? I'm off to bed now, so goodnight. I ain't foolin'.
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Jun.04.2007
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good night

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Jun.04.2007
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Jun.05.2007
09:08AM EDT 
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"Also even if you leave aside what we know of Castaneda are his books really compatible with Zen?"

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Did he write what he saw? probably. Is that dangerous to you? probably not. Is it compatible with Zen? Only in terms of reality being in the eyes of the beholder. Never be surprised or fearfully of what you see or others see. MU

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OK, you're scaring'  me. Now what?
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When everybody agrees it is the the truth is the time to scared. MU

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