Quote: "Killing, is seeing no value, in any other being, so that equality cannot exist. One exist as an opposite force, a negative imbalance, in which questions never are allowed to rise up, for they are killed, denied, without any questions as to why. We come to limit the possible, what is possible, in every moment to open to acceptance. Every breath has life, a conscious drive, a force of no opposites, as one cannot oppose the wind, or the truth, any other.

So, in life, who we are, in relationship to each other, requires balance, and some doing without. One may use silence, or ritual, to die to what kills equality. Being passive, opens us up, to the realization, the connection to life, living through all, giving to all life back it's balance.
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could you say it in one line, please? and a short one

Quote: "Okay, I'm asleep. "
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are you dreaming of that killing stuff then?

Quote: "Quote: " .........yeah freedom .................until he smelled your underware "

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lol

Quote: "freedom, once he smelled it. Shit is reincarnation to a fly. "
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lol

Quote: ",Though, the question wasn't it. "
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I myself do not know if killing is right or wrong (is there a right or wrong and who’s right or wrong am I talking about?) Do I actually exist as me to be thinking about as me killing? Anyway…..For this discussion I have thought long and am becoming aware of a particular hypocrisy, most people I have asked have said no they would not kill, and these same most after further questions admitted yes they would kill, some to defend or revenge family members some to defend or revenge their country some for religion. So it would seem if people answer honestly they would make the decision to kill the only difference would appear to be the motive the reason. This does not mean they would actually carry out the believed murder, however they believe in theory they would. So now if I was to cut away the stuff to get to the core it would seem belief is the key and how strongly and for what.

Ok, that said there are books out there which delve into the psychiatry of killing and the general consensus is that most people would be pushed to the point where they might kill in the heat of the moment for theirs or others self preservation, however it is later when things have calmed down that they might regret or find that decision hard to live with (talk to a war veteran) it is also suggested that the people best able to cope with killing (and death) are those with a strong conviction, irrespective of where that conviction comes from, they believe it was the right or only thing to do in the circumstances.

Therefore if killing or the decision to kill is only that, a decision. Whose decision is right? And if it is only a decision based upon particular thoughts or beliefs which are generally in tern created from someone’s place of birth, education, and access to systems of religion etc. If one reason is valid why is not another what is the difference? Which of us do not kill everyday for food (vegetable or animal) the very space we take up on Earth denies it to something else. I guess now we are at another argument: If as Buddha says there is no birth or dying no beginning or end how can we kill anything? Now suffering, this would seem possible therefore the killing of something with suffering causes ourselves to suffer or by killing we have caused another to suffer, does this mean as long as it is quick and painless it is all right? Or does the belief that I may have caused suffering cause me to suffer, and therefore the greatest reason not to kill. Therefore empathy towards an illusion is the greatest reason not to inflict suffering to another illusion?? And whose empathy, whose particular belief set is the standard of empathy? On on on on on on are there any real answers to these sorts of questions?

As to the original post on killing God, whose God yours or mine? I am not sure i know God or what he might or might not want. There are many people out there killing many who say they are doing Gods work do i know better? And finally does not the christian God have a right hand mate who weilds a flaming sword and fights Gods battles at request of God?

What would i know.....

Zen then Zen now is there a difference? If so what? In particular relation to the post. I see the point you make about Budha never saying anything (at least I think I do, as far as I am able) and I have often wondered about the budha raft we use to cross the metaphorical river (discarded at the edge, although there is no edge) and I only use it as common ground for discussion. The reference I use comes from the diamond sutra. This is not in any way a challenge (or intended as one) mearly a request for more information.

Anyway how are the rabbit(s), which you once mentioned, a couple of years ago woods? I do not remember the details however I do remember being touched.

 or were they chipmonks ?

 Thanks mate, now that is beautiul smilingly, griningly beautiful and something which makes perfect sense.