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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: GRAND SCHEME
vertical line Posted on Jun.21.2007 @ 05:51PM EDT by Woodsman
Sometimes I wonder, if there is not some purpose, some deeper purpose for everything, not just for me, but for all humans, animals... for all life, seen, and unseen.

In a certain unknown way, everything seems to connect, even thoughts connect with matter... back to something that matters most, that mattered most.

And if everything is important, even thoughts, thoughts that we have never listened to, then maybe there is a way, to face the pain, the suffering and death, differently, with deeper purpose, in working with a deeper purpose; connecting back to another's  purpose, to each other's purpose for being, each thought's purpose for being.

Why for instance, do tears fill my eyes right now, if there is not some truth is seeing a difference? The eyes being washed out, from inside, the body/mind being cleansed, each by the other, for one another... it hurts, but feels good, to feel this - thoughts touching.
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Reply from ______
Jun.21.2007
06:18PM EDT 
vertical line Man, I am so alive. Alive, alive-o!! Ah, exquisitely alive...I am the taste of it - the beating life. Alive to and in, of and by, the coursing of purpose, naked and unashamed. I am washed, dressed, fed, danced and sung by the mother of purpose.
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Reply from boymonk
Jun.21.2007
06:36PM EDT 
vertical line Be pointless, young padawan learners, and you will know the grace of God!
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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.21.2007
06:44PM EDT 
vertical line Does God speak in it's own language?
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Reply from boymonk
Jun.21.2007
08:08PM EDT 
vertical line Apparently.
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Reply from shayne
Jun.21.2007
08:26PM EDT 
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vertical line their is no purpose. we make purpose. life is pointless save the points we make.
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Reply from lehish
Jun.21.2007
11:35PM EDT 
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vertical line :)
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Reply from ______
Jun.22.2007
07:58AM EDT 
vertical line Karma is its karma, life is its purpose.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.22.2007
10:27AM EDT 
vertical line We influence these events with what we say, or more with what we don't. The difference is in being out of the formula that we had created for ourselves. Even weakness can be seen as strength, but we are silent in observation, until the oneness arises, a totally different rhythm and story of it's own, we lose what was identity.
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Reply from Snibbler
Jun.22.2007
04:35PM EDT 
vertical line "Sometimes I wonder, if there is not some purpose, some deeper purpose for everything, not just for me, but for all humans, animals... for all life, seen, and unseen."

Sorry old mate, it`s just you. The rest of us are just extras and fillings you see.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.22.2007
05:00PM EDT 
vertical line And I don't know why numbers play a part in it, except for measurements, but free of object, or free of linear time and causality, the material. 

But then there is the ethical side, the constructive/destructive elements... if my annoyance with something causes me to condemn, to diminish the "other", some bond is broken, if it is seen differently, every bond has a life around it, arising... but for a longer time than my intention.

My bond to others, to experiences which I may break, is part of the key which opens a much wider door in reality, as I become receptive, and find suffering to be in the largest extent - self-created, and limiting, confining and misinterpreted.

So, my concept of the good and bad gets flipped, and there is limitless freedom in this, this grand design of what I am waking up to. Weakness becomes strength, strength is in observation and awe with the connections with what didn't matter before.

I don't know if this fits Zen, but it may fit everything else.
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Jun.22.2007
05:27PM EDT 
vertical line Weakness is strength. And all is well. It's easy to blame a n other, when a n other can never match up to the unrealistic image that is a n other.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.22.2007
06:53PM EDT 
vertical line Blame is I wanting to be it. But without the t. Can't unhappen.
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Jun.22.2007
07:09PM EDT 
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vertical line Awakening is natural, delusion is not.
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Reply from ______
Jun.23.2007
07:15AM EDT 
vertical line As soon as I get my sticky little mitts on a formula, from out there, I'm filtering reality through some one else's m i n d. Look at the flowers, the trees, the birds, the monkeys, rabbits, squirrels, the rats, the mice, the horseflies, you know, and all those guys I don't have the space to mention - they are perfect, the perfect saints; they are blessed above humans because they carry no regrets for yesterday, and have no worries and cares for tomorrow.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.23.2007
01:45PM EDT 
vertical line Lunch time!
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Jun.23.2007
04:17PM EDT 
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vertical line I will buy lunch. lunch on RORY
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Reply from Davidseon
Jun.23.2007
09:01PM EDT 
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vertical line Essentialy there is no good or bad.  There is only Karma.  Everything we are, everything we do is a set of conditions.  Everthing is inherently empty ( see dependent origination). We are here, because of conditons. The way we think is caused by conditioning.  The way we live our lives is caused by conditions ( Karma combined with learning).  The only escape is to break the 12link chain of Karma.  This is the aim of Buddhism of which Zen is a part.  Once one starts craving for  feelings and sensations,  this continues the grip of Karma.  Some ask," So I'm not supposed to have any sensations or feelings", this is not so only the craving of these feelings and sensation is the cause of problems.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.23.2007
09:39PM EDT 
vertical line 12 what?
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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.23.2007
10:22PM EDT 
vertical line sorry, just ignore me
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Jun.24.2007
12:09AM EDT 
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vertical line 12, steps of A.A.
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Reply from ______
Jun.24.2007
08:38AM EDT 
vertical line 12, 7, 3, pick-a-number step filter and with effort - that seems to be why it's hard and not easy. Be as the serpent and the dove and you'll never be overweight, without effort and your brain doesn't do it.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.24.2007
10:01AM EDT 
vertical line I don't know why it is, to me, it just seems, mechanical.
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Reply from justin
Jun.25.2007
10:10AM EDT 
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I am not so sure feeling is inappropriate, I too cry and feel, mostly for others and the human existence, not in a way which is sorrowful but a way which is grateful and seems natural. I guess I do because I do, no more explanation or thought is needed. I am not sure I could explain it any better than that. Reading this again it seems similar to what woods has just said 'mechanical'

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Reply from ______
Jun.25.2007
01:31PM EDT 
vertical line There's nothing inappropriate about feeling. Feelings can't and shouldn't be suppressed. In their arising, in awareness, feelings show the way to freedom from desire.
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Jun.25.2007
08:02PM EDT 
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vertical line The love of life & a higher power.
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Reply from shayne
Jun.25.2007
08:44PM EDT 
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Quote: "Essentialy there is no good or bad.  There is only Karma.  Everything we are, everything we do is a set of conditions.  Everthing is inherently empty ( see dependent origination). We are here, because of conditons. The way we think is caused by conditioning.  The way we live our lives is caused by conditions ( Karma combined with learning).  The only escape is to break the 12link chain of Karma.  This is the aim of Buddhism of which Zen is a part.  Once one starts craving for  feelings and sensations,  this continues the grip of Karma.  Some ask," So I'm not supposed to have any sensations or feelings", this is not so only the craving of these feelings and sensation is the cause of problems."
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their sure is good and bad. just look at the news.

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Reply from 77 zen ror
Jun.25.2007
08:46PM EDT 
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vertical line Turn off the TV
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Reply from lehish
Jun.25.2007
11:32PM EDT 
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lol

cool rory

:D

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Reply from Lynnoh
Jun.26.2007
01:41PM EDT 
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vertical line air conditioning
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Reply from lehish
Jun.26.2007
03:07PM EDT 
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great. :D

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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.26.2007
04:05PM EDT 
vertical line Ah, sorry, the tv goes off, and the air conditioning, and the microwave.
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Jun.26.2007
05:33PM EDT 
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vertical line news on air conditioning, microwave ?
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Jun.26.2007
05:36PM EDT 
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vertical line Live in peace, Have a smooth day
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Reply from Woodsman
Jun.26.2007
08:58PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "news on air conditioning, microwave ?"
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and compooters.
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Reply from -----0
Jun.30.2007
01:10PM EDT 
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Quote: "their is no purpose. we make purpose. life is pointless save the points we make."
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Life is not separate from us

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Reply from shayne
Jun.30.2007
03:00PM EDT 
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vertical line did i say life is seperate? no.
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Reply from ______
Jun.30.2007
03:31PM EDT 
vertical line I don't want a smooth day. No sir!
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Jun.30.2007
04:28PM EDT 
vertical line I mean if we can make purpose then life also makes it, because we are not separate
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Reply from ______
Jun.30.2007
05:10PM EDT 
vertical line But me no ifs.
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Reply from Lynnoh
Jun.30.2007
05:21PM EDT 
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vertical line is this where I am?
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Reply from ______
Jun.30.2007
05:48PM EDT 
vertical line in star date 27X, year, minute 33, location earth, 16 degrees
polar star west?

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Jun.30.2007
06:06PM EDT 
vertical line 2.5 2.5, ten-four ten-four 10/4 [bt] long break copy /over/
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Jun.30.2007
06:16PM EDT 
vertical line one over 4, one over 4, test testt testttt testttt two, two, too...w ecopy we copy, wec opy weco py, wecop y there t here th ere the re ther eee..Lover /over /0ver
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Reply from boymonk
Jun.30.2007
06:45PM EDT 
vertical line Yup!
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Reply from Lynnoh
Jul.01.2007
10:37AM EDT 
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vertical line oh, I have no idea
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