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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: HOW A BEGINNER START?
vertical line Posted on Jul.01.2007 @ 08:45AM EDT by naveen
How should a beginner start with Zen?
Especially when you have a tight personal schedule to tale care of. What is recommended.

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Reply from El_Cid
Jul.01.2007
02:13PM EDT 
vertical line Each begins according to their abilities, just as the directions to dharamsala is different from each of our houses.

Who asks?

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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.01.2007
02:32PM EDT 
vertical line Don't start with Zen, or what your understanding of what zen means to you.
Start with listening, observing, in the business, in the activity of life, what we value, what we spend time with, in thought, word, and action. Zen is a tool for awakening, awakening to what you have formally ignored, and some of it is very hard to face, for most of us.

There is a wall of denial, that each of us constructs, that keeps up safe from certain freedoms, and we fight wars over it, we create great monuments to cover it, the greatest accomplishments of human minds cannot obtain the freedom, from desire.

On second thought, just visit a Zen center near you.
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Reply from fatnhappy
Jul.01.2007
06:41PM EDT 
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vertical line Joko Beck : on love and work ............is a good place to start very goos hand holding to the begaining of the path : )
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Reply from fatnhappy
Jul.01.2007
11:00PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Joko Beck : on love and work ............is a good place to start very goos hand holding to the begaining of the path : ) "
.........Hahahahahaha Goos ...gross holding hands with goo : ) I meant good ; )
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Reply from Pendragon
Jul.01.2007
11:50PM EDT 
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Are you near a zendo where you could receive some basic instructions from an experienced practitioner? A tennis coach showed me the basics. Generally, people try to sit at a regular time of day. To develop the habit of sitting at a given time. Early morning is best for some. I used to stop at a zendo to sit on the way home from work.

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Reply from boymonk
Jul.02.2007
01:04AM EDT 
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Reply from lehish
Jul.02.2007
02:23AM EDT 
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:)

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Reply from lehish
Jul.02.2007
02:24AM EDT 
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Quote: " .........Hahahahahaha"
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hehehe

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Reply from Lionel
Jul.02.2007
08:05AM EDT 
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vertical line ...since you have a tight schedule in life..., why not insert a personal schedule for a zen-retreat for a start & see how it goes...? Actually, zen got to do with our mindfulness in our moments to moments living daily life, no more no less.
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Reply from stephen
Jul.02.2007
08:46AM EDT 
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vertical line Become enlightened right away then work backward. It goes allot faster that way, especial for the time challenged. MU
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Reply from Lynnoh
Jul.02.2007
11:33AM EDT 
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vertical line is this about choice?
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Reply from ______
Jul.02.2007
02:41PM EDT 
vertical line Yeah, a problem for those with tight undergarments and tight personal schedules. Oh yeah babylonians with those personal schedules and personals and tight! Tight tighty tights. Personal and nice right tight littles. Yeah oh yes real problems. Hope you get your problems sorted soon.
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Reply from Lynnoh
Jul.02.2007
02:42PM EDT 
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vertical line mine?
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Reply from fatnhappy
Jul.02.2007
05:21PM EDT 
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Quote: " .........Hahahahahaha"
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.........hohohohoho...............how about tomato , garlic , basil , olive oil pizza ...whole grain crust of course
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Jul.02.2007
06:06PM EDT 
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only one slice?

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Reply from Lynnoh
Jul.02.2007
06:11PM EDT 
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Jul.02.2007
11:25PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "no...got two :)"
.........mmmMMMMMMmmmmMMMMMmmMMMmmMMmmm pizza : )
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Reply from Lynnoh
Jul.03.2007
11:51AM EDT 
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.03.2007
02:47PM EDT 
vertical line acorn... I don't know... have two
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Reply from ______
Jul.03.2007
04:02PM EDT 
vertical line buy two get none free
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.03.2007
05:35PM EDT 
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Reply from lehish
Jul.03.2007
05:43PM EDT 
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Quote:".........mmmMMMMMMmmmmMMMMMmmMMMmmMMmmm pizza : )"
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thanks songing :)

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Reply from ______
Jul.04.2007
05:19PM EDT 
vertical line It must be over.
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Reply from -----0
Jul.06.2007
05:35PM EDT 
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Quote: "How should a beginner start with Zen?
Especially when you have a tight personal schedule to tale care of. What is recommended
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make your schedule still a bit tighter and fit in about half an hour of doing nothing

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Reply from ______
Jul.06.2007
07:02PM EDT 
vertical line I've got an even better idea, in fact (in my opinion), it's a much much better idea, it is in fact, the best, the very best but then the very best is never really up to much....ah, hey ho, ho hum...anyway - here it is, my answer: employ a personal zen master - you may be able to get one of those all-in deals where the personal trainer is also the zen master is also the au-pair, cook and head bottle washer (live-in, naturally, of course - own room, full board all-in with 2 days off a week, minimum wage). Okay? Great. Sorted!
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Jul.10.2007
08:21PM EDT 
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vertical line Sit by your self. Faceing the wall. Fallow your breath. Wash your bowl out.
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Reply from shayne
Jul.10.2007
09:13PM EDT 
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vertical line read the zazen guide on this web site. a beginner should start in the sitting position and follow the breath with the minds eye. the attention. practice everyday.
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Reply from ______
Jul.11.2007
07:22AM EDT 
vertical line I am always all ways a beginner and I fall and begin, fall and begin, fall and begin...
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Reply from ______
Jul.11.2007
07:42AM EDT 
vertical line Ah, attention. Attention. Yes. Attention. Allow suspension of all thoughts of following anything, detached, empty, thus allowing object penetration. "Prepare my meal and wait upon me" - the substance of love is attention.
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Reply from -----0
Jul.11.2007
02:25PM EDT 
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and do some walking in nature

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