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vertical line Posted on Jul.01.2007 @ 06:53PM EDT by fatnhappy
Can we say or right anything and it be enlightening ? Im tired of games I want less knowledge and more understanding . But what do "MY"  wants matter... in the end the sun will expand past our solar system...... and this moment has already passed .
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.01.2007
06:57PM EDT 
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vertical line I think, that the most direct place to wake up, is in your direct environment.
And, I have to go to work, and it's gonna be a good night.
How do I know?
Gotta go, tell ya later. 
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Reply from El_Cid
Jul.01.2007
08:39PM EDT 
vertical line By the time you've put anything into words, you've probably already killed it.

But still, even an old weak poison makes for a nourishing soup.


Perhaps less understanding, and more knowing?

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Jul.01.2007
11:05PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "I think, that the most direct place to wake up, is in your direct environment.
And, I have to go to work, and it's gonna be a good night.
How do I know?
Gotta go, tell ya later. 
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.........Point taken....but be careful on the way there ........the ankle is fully healed now just dealing with the other as it was slightly hurt on the over compensation . Hugh ...John I wish at times to play with the squirls , but they have there own issues storing nuts and preparing for the winter .
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Jul.02.2007
01:32AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "By the time you've put anything into words, you've probably already killed it.

But still, even an old weak poison makes for a nourishing soup.


Perhaps less understanding, and more knowing?

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.........I feel it takes understanding before you can know....Its all an illusion anyway .
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Reply from Lynnoh
Jul.02.2007
11:38AM EDT 
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is this about choice?

I'm.................. speachless

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Jul.02.2007
05:18PM EDT 
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is this about choice?

I'm.................. speachless

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.........maybe this mouth should be too . all this matters not . reality is unimaginable...no choices
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Reply from Lynnoh
Jul.02.2007
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vertical line well.. no choices and choices...are not quiet right..but are too... it's..more like....gee ...I can't say
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Jul.02.2007
06:08PM EDT 
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Jul.02.2007
11:26PM EDT 
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.........The one large mouth of mother earth : )
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Reply from shayne
Jul.04.2007
02:47AM EDT 
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vertical line words of a limited nature are used to express the nonverbal reality.
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Jul.04.2007
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vertical line Quote: "words of a limited nature are used to express the nonverbal reality."
.........Indeed shayne .  With one of my very favorite girl friends often we would just sit and look at each other not saying anything for hours ......but we felt loved .
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Jul.04.2007
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vertical line kewl fatnhappy
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line eh? Seems like, sounds like...two words, first word, one syllable...vex...second word, one syllable...pact...sex act...(postponed).....miaow miaow miaow.....purrrrrrrrrrrr...mewl
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Jul.05.2007
09:31AM EDT 
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Jul.05.2007
06:20PM EDT 
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-Okay, this is the picture. Johnny's been hurt. He's been hurt bad.

-Look, we can't leave him here, we can't. Look, he's in a pool of blood. He's gonna die, I know it.

-We've gotta leave him here, honey. We gotta. He won't talk, I promise you that! Will you Johnny?

-Frankie, I don't care whether he talks or not, I just can't leave him like this.

-Listen. Leave me here I... I... I can ... I can ... handle it.

-Oh, no, Johnny, no...

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Jul.06.2007
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vertical line -The cops are outside. Luke is in the car. Come on, let's get the hell outta this joint.

-Frankie, when they get here we're gonna be dead, I know we are! We don't have a gun!

-Listen. We got three million... Listen, [spud]. We got three million in the can, here. We can't look after him, I'll send the bird to his mother. Come on, let's just get out of this place, we can do it!

-Oh, no, Johnny, no...


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Reply from gebhart099
Jul.22.2007
11:28AM EDT 
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vertical line Words by themselves are of no importance. Sometimes body language is more important in communicating. Words only have the meaning we choose to invest them with. In meditating on the breath we are taught to think "in" with each inhalation and "out" with each exhalation. But reverse it saying "out" each time you inhale and "in" each time you exhale and see if it makes a difference.       In the beginning was the Word, but the Word (not to mention the grammar) didn't matter and so it slinked, slank, slunk (oh what is the word!) away.
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Jul.22.2007
12:24PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "In meditating on the breath we are taught to think "in" with each inhalation and "out" with each exhalation. "
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Nope, never been taught that by anybody. Interesting words. What meaning are you trying to convey with those words? What's "meditating on the breath"?

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Reply from ______
Jul.24.2007
11:43AM EDT 
vertical line Words? I love 'em!
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Jul.24.2007
02:13PM EDT 
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Reply from gebhart099
Jul.28.2007
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "In meditating on the breath we are taught to think "in" with each inhalation and "out" with each exhalation. "
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Nope, never been taught that by anybody. Interesting words. What meaning are you trying to convey with those words? What's "meditating on the breath"?

"Read Chapter 6 of Chon Tri's Zazen Meditation Guide. He refers to it as following the breath.
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Jul.28.2007
11:19AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Words? I love 'em!"
......... Oh, I'm absolutely addicted to them. Sometimes, I just can't shut up. And my mind just persists in thinking in words. Words, words, words. Where would man be without them? But I'm beginning to understand that they have their limits. There is a truth that lies beyond them, beyond their power to describe.
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Reply from ______
Jul.28.2007
11:30AM EDT 
vertical line ok, well I just love words without addiction. I don't think in words though, I think in pictures, sounds and feelings. The words are created in the beyond, so I may make a use of them to create a beyond whence they come.
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Jul.28.2007
11:34AM EDT 
vertical line If what chontri calls 'following the breath' helps then follow your breath.
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Jul.28.2007
11:51AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "ok, well I just love words without addiction. I don't think in words though, I think in pictures, sounds and feelings. The words are created in the beyond, so I may make a use of them to create a beyond whence they come. "
......... I think in pictures, sounds, and feelings also , but when I do so my mind attaches a sign in the form of a word to each of them. But the words used are only  symbols, they are not the reality itself.
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Reply from -----0
Jul.30.2007
03:21PM EDT 
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Words
don't come easy
to me,
How can I find a way,
to make you see, I love you,
Words don't come easy . . .

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Jul.30.2007
04:55PM EDT 
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Jul.30.2007
05:29PM EDT 
vertical line It's a simple thing and yet so very difficult - to give that life guarantee with every last one of our words.
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Reply from Doreen
Jul.31.2007
11:21PM EDT 
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Words are tools - some are better then others. Then again - sometimes they are understood better one time or another.

It's a crapshoot.  But when they aid to connect one with another - it can be a cool thing.

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Aug.01.2007
06:11AM EDT 
vertical line What's a crapshoot? What exactly is cool? Like a refrigerator cool or the opposite to warm cool or superior hip to the beat opposite to square uncool daddyo? What's a cool thing? I'm surmising here but could it be cliché?
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Aug.01.2007
06:41AM EDT 
vertical line I don't believe a word of it (this).
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Aug.01.2007
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Quote: "What's a crapshoot? What exactly is cool? Like a refrigerator cool or the opposite to warm cool or superior hip to the beat opposite to square uncool daddyo? What's a cool thing? I'm surmising here but could it be cliché? "
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Could be...another wrong choice of tools.  It might mean something to one, and yet nothing to another.

Oh well.

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Aug.01.2007
02:45PM EDT 
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vertical line One word salad sandwich comin' up. Hhaaoooooyyaa!!
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Reply from lehish
Aug.01.2007
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Aug.01.2007
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vertical line Whoah, I can't believe I eat that stuff up... Yes I can. Write me some more brain food for dummies. But then stand back. Bah. bah bah Only the best partially digested word salads for you. Hold out your ear.
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Aug.01.2007
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Aug.01.2007
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hey you ate my other o, put it back, or I'll have no piece of it!
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Reply from gebhart099
Aug.05.2007
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" Not establishing words and letters, Teachings transmitted outside the Scriptures. Directly pointing to humans' mind, To see into their own nature and attain the Buddhahood."    Bodhidharma quoted in the Introduction of the Zazen Meditation Guide.

"Of course, words have some meanings in situations and they also have their own limits. This means words just play their role as a means of communication to some degree and not the Reality itself."    Chon Tri  Chapter 17 Zazen Meditaion Guide

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Reply from ______
Aug.06.2007
02:27PM EDT 
vertical line Did Bodhidharma write books? Did Bodhidarma even exist? And did chontri attain more than 17 chapters? When you think you know...when you think you're ready...winky wink wink winky zenguidey zentidy...
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Aug.06.2007
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Quote: "Did Bodhidharma write books? Did Bodhidarma even exist? And did chontri attain more than 17 chapters? When you think you know...when you think you're ready...winky wink wink winky zenguidey zentidy..."
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are thinking you know, rustic, to say that?

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Aug.07.2007
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Can we say or right anything and it be enlightening ? I'm tired of games I want less knowledge and more understanding . But what do "MY"  wants matter... in the end the sun will expand past our solar system...... and this moment has already passed .
...........................................................................................

Just what is it that has some "moment that has already passed"

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Aug.08.2007
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Quote: "Did Bodhidharma write books? Did Bodhidarma even exist? And did chontri attain more than 17 chapters? When you think you know...when you think you're ready...winky wink wink winky zenguidey zentidy..."
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are thinking you know, rustic, to say that?

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eh? Thinking I know what? Why do you want to know?
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Aug.08.2007
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Quote: "Did Bodhidharma write books? Did Bodhidarma even exist? And did chontri attain more than 17 chapters? When you think you know...when you think you're ready...winky wink wink winky zenguidey zentidy..."
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are thinking you know, rustic, to say that?

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eh? Thinking I know what? "
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eh? Thinking I know what?
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re "When you think you know...when you think you're ready...winky wink wink winky zenguidey zentidy..."


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Aug.09.2007
01:10PM EDT 
vertical line Know what? And why?
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Aug.09.2007
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Quote: "Know what? And why?"
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:) did not see...see you  :)

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Aug.09.2007
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Aug.09.2007
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vertical line My the words you speak come from the heart & be as freash as a rosa. sweet as a kiss.
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Aug.10.2007
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Quote: "Know what? And why?"
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can't answer that

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Aug.18.2007
04:39AM EDT 
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Aug.18.2007
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Aug.19.2007
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vertical line Quote: "Did Bodhidharma write books? Did Bodhidarma even exist? And did chontri attain more than 17 chapters? When you think you know...when you think you're ready...winky wink wink winky zenguidey zentidy..."
......... If Bodhidharma didn't "even exist" then none of us have either. Sometimes, I look at photos of myself (my self?) as a child and wonder if that child ever truly existed. "Existence" justs keeps slipping away like water through the fingers.
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Aug.19.2007
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vertical line Let's vote! I vote "yeh". Minority rules, the lower half or righteousness.
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Aug.19.2007
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Aug.19.2007
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Aug.19.2007
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vertical line Look at yourself.
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Aug.19.2007
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vertical line BingoBullsEye!
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Aug.19.2007
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vertical line Relax! It was a joke!
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Aug.19.2007
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vertical line Hey little buddy. It's close, but not cigars for you.
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Aug.19.2007
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Aug.20.2007
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vertical line You don't have any cigars, do you? And yes and there are levels of consciousness which aren't achieved through aspiration but are realised in awareness.
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Aug.20.2007
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vertical line I have wood, ah, that's about it. Oh, and coffee. And clean socks. And a warm bed. But, I'm all alone. But I have the two dogs. And, wait a minute! I this is feeling very cigar-like!

Do you know what I mean?
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Aug.20.2007
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Aug.20.2007
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Aug.20.2007
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vertical line You are in the first place. There is not any me to separate the two to become you. Both together are one half of one beginning, as in any continuous cycle shows.
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Aug.20.2007
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Aug.20.2007
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