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vertical line Posted on Jul.02.2007 @ 11:54PM EDT by Lionel
Suppose we consider Buddhism is a religion, I think it is basically similar if not exactly the same to other religions on earth. All religions teach us avoid doing evil things & encourage us doing good things. In this case all religions are fundamentally good & farourable to mankinds. However, perhaps Buddhism go further than that by purification & cultivation our mind... As for non-self concept (emtpiness), it is really beyond religions preaching... Any preaching or teaching is just out of tune...perhaps that is what we normally call or name as 'the middle path'...
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Jul.03.2007
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Consider the lillies of the field. The field. Consider that if you must!
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Jul.03.2007
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vertical line Spit me out like a seed. Oops, that didn't come out right. Neither did that.
There's a hole in my bucket. oh shit.
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Jul.03.2007
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vertical line I'm a reject, and still we have nothing in common. Anybody want any rabbits?
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Reply from shayne
Jul.04.2007
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john....cnat you stay on topic?

anyway..........all religions are made up. man looks and man names.

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Jul.04.2007
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I would suggest anything which encourages the caring and compassion for our fellow man and all things (yeh yeh I know there has never been anything ever it is all opinion) is a step in the right direction or should I say a step towards being healthy and happy, fulfilled.

However there is a certain misguided missing part to most religions as I have seen them;

The word, therefore the associated connotations of God, Mohamed, Shiva etc, only serve to box up that particular aspect of the all into a geographical, temporal, and as many other opinionated belief sets any of us may have. This seems to me just another way in which the self (see ego) sees to identify and reinforce its existence. I mean how could all powerful omnipotent universal being (is God a being in the way we understand being) be boxed up and collected into a name, this is an opinion. Buddha said (or at least we are told he did) ‘If you see me cut me down, as I am only another concept which will get in the way of all concepts’ or something to that effect, it stands to reason if it is this, it is not that, the very idea of naming is flawed. Things just are.

God, Buddha and all those dudes are everything there needs be no preference.

Just an opinion.   

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Jul.04.2007
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john....cnat you stay on topic?

anyway..........all religions are made up. man looks and man names.

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Jes, I can. Religion is, dumb. And I don't wanna be dumb, so, um, so there, shaynee.
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Jul.04.2007
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is ok john not topic

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Jul.04.2007
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Jul.04.2007
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vertical line whrrrrr...I'm a gnat, swat me like a dog.
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Jul.04.2007
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Jul.04.2007
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it is the ego which looks and names. whats wrong with the ego? the inner self looks and sees and names things. zen is beyond words. it is the nonverbal reality which sees things as they are.

finally johny stayed on topic and didnt mumble off into some random direction. keep that focus now johny.

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Jul.04.2007
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Jul.05.2007
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it is the ego which looks and names. whats wrong with the ego? the inner self looks and sees and names things. zen is beyond words. it is the nonverbal reality which sees things as they are.

finally johny stayed on topic and didnt mumble off into some random direction. keep that focus now johny.

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concentrated thiinking (called focus) about a topic names, shayne

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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line Without us here .....it would be perfect zen . oh wait I just destroyed the moment . 
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Jul.05.2007
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Jul.05.2007
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line Ah see, here's some more meaningless puking banter. You can't destroy the moment. Even when you create the zen, you can't destroy the moment because the universe doesn't know what it is or what you're talking about. And you aren't here, because there is no such place, that is why there is no such thing as this thing you continually create and which you name zen.
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Jul.05.2007
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line Rustic. there would be no such thing as universe without you for it to not understand . If your going to try to be fully not here then this would not be a forum of words and human expression . In fact the ones who dont post here at all are the enlightened ones . I do not understand your intentions here .
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line So what has that to do with me?
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Jul.05.2007
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line Nope. Only everything to do with your image of me.
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line no image of you except how you present your ego on this forum . its all an act .
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line Think what you will. Your thoughts have no effect on me. Neither do your prejudices. Or your misunderstandings. If what I write on this board bothers you that much just move your cursor to the sidebar of this message and click 'ignore etc'. And forget about it.
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line not a chance you dont bother me at all . Just wondering what your intentions are posting here . Seems like you have little constructive to say and alot of negative issues to bring up . Im not "thinking" anything of you beyond how you represent yourself on this board ....interesting how a Zen forum brings out the ego isnt it .
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line You should read all my stuff. Then you would have to fall in love with me all over again.
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Jul.05.2007
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Quote: "You should read all my stuff. Then you would have to fall in love with me all over again. "
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"my suff"? 

"fall in love with me"?

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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line Substitute a word and/or words of your choice in the designated fields. Works every time for the lawyers.
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Jul.05.2007
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Quote: "Substitute a word and/or words of your choice in the designated fields. Works every time for the lawyers. "
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what are to trying to show and as if to what?

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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line Think you'll find what you're looking for? Then...Stop! Don't read!
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Jul.05.2007
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Quote: "Think you'll find what you're looking for? Then...Stop! Don't read! "
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did imagining are "looking for" serve for instrucking "Then...Stop! Don't read! "?

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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line did imagining "trying to show" serve for asking "as if to what"?
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Jul.05.2007
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-Listen. I have arranged this display for... for all of you people to... to come here this evening and I... I know you have been searched, but, what you... you don't realize is, is that in the back of the Maltese Falcon, I have it ...
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Reply from -----0
Jul.06.2007
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vertical line Buddhism is a religion of action. Here
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Jul.06.2007
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vertical line and now, no promises, just pure experience
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Jul.06.2007
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I'll buy you the whole factory, sweetheart. Don't worry.
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Jul.06.2007
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Quote: " action. Here "
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:)

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Jul.06.2007
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vertical line And............everywhere.......with subtitles......and.......cut!!
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Jul.06.2007
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vertical line Give 'em Cagney anyday
Or Jimmy Stewart for President

Or Edward 'G' and all those guys
Who always shoot between the eyes
Between the eyes
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Jul.07.2007
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vertical line The other religions are superior to Buddhism, but Buddhism is good enough for some mugs.
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Jul.07.2007
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Jul.07.2007
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Other religions give people a lot more.

B. is OK for mugs that don't need much.

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Jul.07.2007
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No good for you then? Anyway, shouldn't you be leaving round about now?
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Jul.07.2007
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Jul.07.2007
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vertical line Pendragon, more you are given, more you will want - without realizing, that you already have everything
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Jul.07.2007
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vertical line You are takers, all - I am, is a disturber of the peace.
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Jul.20.2007
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Quote: "I am, is a disturber of the peace. "
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Jul.22.2007
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I was so touched, I was moved to kick the crutches
From my crippled friend

I gave myself to sin
I gave myself to Providence
And I've been there and back again
The state that I am in

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Jul.26.2007
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vertical line Seems to me that a religion has answers, whereas Buddhism fundamentally only has one, which is the Eightfold path.
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Jul.27.2007
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No religions have any answers. They just think they do.

Get out now and live in the real world - the universe is much more beautiful and amazing than any religion ever imagined or ever told us.

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Jul.27.2007
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Jul.27.2007
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Jul.27.2007
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vertical line It is the year 1300. Easter. The clock bells midnight. One man walks, meets another man; each places the other under care. They walk on together. Under the light of a questing moon they talk and walk and walk in streets, through gardens arriving at the foot.
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Jul.27.2007
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vertical line My mom gave me Zen flesh, Zen bones as a child. She was Roman Catholic; I was an altar boy and more. Am interested in picking up where I left off thirty years ago. Any suggestions for a fat, mixed up, emotionally bloated chap (nice guy, though, cough)? Thank-you.
Dennis

thethirdtine@gmail(dot)com

p.s. Someone I trusted was incredulous of the Tibetan tradition, for what it's worth.
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vertical line I am intentionally getting back to an awareness of others and their "pain"...their lives. I have been monumentally selfish and destructive for a long time. However, throughout, the undeniable feeling that my greed did not satiate but actually drained me and everyone around of our vitality, never left. I am grateful for that awareness. I guess I'm saying that I want to begin living. I feel that I've been a sort of vampire for forty years. I've started sitting in the mornings as per instruction from various web sites. But I'd like any first hand advice. Thanks,
DC
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vertical line """ You know that all the methods of Zazen aim at one purpose: to empty one’s mind free from all images, impressions which one perceived through the five senses and the consciousness rebuilt and stored in your memory or sub-consciousness. Breath counting, breath following with one’s mind’s eye, shikantaza, and working on a koan, all do the same job. When one’s mind is empty, this means that it is free from all the images and impressions old and new, not any of these left, then one couldn’t think at all. Thoughts are reappearance of old and new images. This is the work and the content of consciousness. When the mind is really empty, one would know nothing at all.

When the process of thoughts stops, he doesn’t know what to do and might be totally desperate. But if he could stand himself with the desperation, the mind might get refresh itself and see things as-they-are."""

ChonTri

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vertical line ok, how about it is what you think it is and leave it as that. in my opinion it is pointless to argue about that subject because you are all right and wrong at the same time. that is what counts! besides, you are not the only people that came up with this question and look, it lasted so long and it caused a split in the buddhistic tradition to be divided in to two main bodies! so, since a very long time people argued about it and they still did not find the answer. what makes us different maybe compared to the other religions? we use our brains a bit more?
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vertical line The biggest difference between Buddhism and most other religions, is that in most of them you are taught to look to some immutable, highest power for all the answers. In Buddhism, you have to do the work yourself: the answers are within you beneath all the layers of delusion.
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Aug.04.2007
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vertical line WHAT IS CALLED MEDITATION?
In short, meditation is a process of emptying one's mind.

Supposedly, everyone already knows what and where his mind is.

However, most of us accept the capacity of thinking is our whole mind. Actually, it is just a part of it and not the whole mind.
Others might think of the brain, the consciousness, the unconsciousness, and the memory.
Others might think of it as the total of all of the above.
And each and every of us think with them, act with them, and live with them and we are partial. Hence, we come to each other partially and not wholly. And this is the origin of our divisions, conflicts, contradictions, fighting, and wars in human life for thousands or millions of years now.

With our own experiences, inward or outward, accumulated we have got and formed our knowledge and store in our memory then we keep thinking, acting, reacting, living from our remembrance.
Therefore, it might be said that we all have been living with the past, the old, the yesterday, even we may think we are living with our future, our creation. Actually we are not.
Why? Because we have used the past, the old, the known to look at, to evaluate, to compare, to think of the new or the unknown, hence, whatever we think it should be certainly new or creative, actually it's not so. It's as old as our memory! Thought is never new. Why? Because thought comes from memory which are the images, impressions, ideas, and experiences which are the old, the past.

If there is no remembrance, we cannot think at all. This state of mind might be called "blank" or "hollow" or "dead" or "no-record" or "void" and "temporary". One might first get at before he can go further into the state of mind which is called the "empty mind" which is clear and pure, new and fresh, vivid and active, always awakening and lucid, entirely different from the "blank" or "hollow" mind that is stagnant, inactive, someone might mistake it for the empty mind. With this state of mind one cannot contact directly with things and others.

If one wants to live in harmony with things and others, his mind and senses must be fresh and lucid to perceive things and others as they are. That is, if a man or woman who would like to have a real love to his or her espouse and children, then his or her mind and senses must be fresh and lucid to see them as they are right now and not their images in the past or their projection in the future. This is called the empty mind which embraces everything with love. And this also called the 'greatness or immeasurableness of the mind'. And anyone who only experiences the blank or hollow state of mind is in ignorance, dullness, indifference and he needs to get out of this state of mind.

Therefore, meditation is not to seek what is called the Buddha nature or the concept of 'emptiness' which is often thought as an ideal to find out when one is in trying to seek it in sitting with breath counting or breath following or just sitting or working on a koan. If anyone who tries to do so, this means he is caught in the network of thought and he will never get at where he wants.

Furthermore, as he is told that his Buddha nature is in himself, so why does he need to find it? Why does he have to see it meanwhile it is himself or at least it is in himself as he has been told? All of his activities for this purpose are the activities of thought and he uses thought to read and think and explain what the original authors directly spoke from their original mind or empty mind. There is a big difference here, but he might not realize it. Even he tries to read and think and explain others' words but in a different state of mind and this is the main reason he is in a wrong way. This is why it might be said that what the Buddha spoke from his awakening mind was true but when one whose mind is not awakened yet repeats the words, he does a wrong thing.

Therefore, what he really needs to do is to look into himself and realize what is not the essence of mind and get over it.
In other words,
When one understands what is wrong, the right is there.
When one realizes what disorder is, the order is there.
When one knows what darkness is, the light is there.
When one realizes what delusion is, the enlightenment is there.
This means he needs to empty his own mind from all of the known, psychologically and not technologically.
When the mind is freed from all of this kind of the known, it is ready. It is called the empty mind which is immense, fresh, new, and lucid, it perceives things as they are and embraces everything with love without confusions, divisions and conflicts.

ChonTri 12/09/03

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vertical line Vengeance is mine thus sayeth the lord.  Is vengeance the root of justice?
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vertical line Many cultural systems of justice are underpinned by a need for vengeance. But true justice is impossible without compassion.

I notice there are a number of topics which regularly appear on this message board showing a concern 'discuss': 'Buddhism & other religions', 'The difference between Buddhism and other religions', The superiority of Buddhism compared to other religions' &c &c. Sad.
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vertical line Quote: "Many cultural systems of justice are underpinned by a need for vengeance. But true justice is impossible without compassion.

I notice there are a number of topics which regularly appear on this message board showing a concern 'discuss': 'Buddhism & other religions', 'The difference between Buddhism and other religions', The superiority of Buddhism compared to other religions' &c &c. Sad.
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......... I don't find anything sad about it. In fact I  find it useful to compare and contrast different belief systems. It causes one to examine one's own beliefs more closely. To me it's a case of apples, oranges, bananas, and pears; they are all fruits but they are different. Some people prefer one some another. All the religions are capable of good. Here in Mississippi we received aid following Hurricane Katrina from Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists. I even heard of an atheist organization that sent supplies.
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Quote: "Many cultural systems of justice are underpinned by a need for vengeance. But true justice is impossible without compassion.

I notice there are a number of topics which regularly appear on this message board showing a concern 'discuss': 'Buddhism & other religions', 'The difference between Buddhism and other religions', The superiority of Buddhism compared to other religions' &c &c. Sad.
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......... Actually, I posted the question about vengeance and justice after reading a short story "Daniel the Just" by Heinrich Boll(umlaut over the o). The protoganist as a youth had an Uncle Thomas confined in an institution who no matter what was said to him would always respond "If only there were justice in this world." The youth is going to use his Uncle as a subject for an essay " A Strange Experience"  and he begins it with what his Uncle keeps repeating  " but as he wrote "justice" what he really meant was "vengeance".   It had taken him more than ten years not to think of vengeance whenever he thought of justice."   I think that may be a problem a lot of us have regardless of the religion we profess. I agree that compassion is a necessary ingredient for true justice, though at times it can be hard to come by. For example, I have a very hard time arousing any compassion for those who sexually abuse children.

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Aug.06.2007
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vertical line "...compassion is a necessary ingredient for true justice..."

Justice is compassion - giving attention to the victim of affliction (that's every being); some think they are despising the crime when they are really despising the weakness of affliction, allowing contempt for affliction while masking scorn for the crime.
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Quote: ""...compassion is a necessary ingredient for true justice..."

giving attention to the victim of affliction (that's every being); some think they are despising the crime when they are really despising the weakness of affliction, allowing contempt for affliction while masking scorn for the crime.
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that cannot compassion

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Aug.06.2007
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vertical line To repeat: Justice is compassion or it should be - oh dear idealism - social justice as compassion. However, there is no justice in the criminal justice systems that I am familiar with. They're pretends, make-believes where no one is seen. I thank you and thangyewvarymoosh.
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Aug.07.2007
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Mankind needs something to give substance for a conscience, to stop him from eating his neighbors children,  and other beings.

Buddhism (middle path) adequately can do that, without the restrictions of unfounded belief

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vertical line I am woman, hear me roar!

whoops, I mean woodman, maybe "purrrrrr."
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Hello john,

you are whatever you want to be,,,,

though keep in mind that the smile on the face of the village idiot,

is no less than nature laughing at mankind's pretentious

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Quote: " thangyewvarymoosh."
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tanging

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No religions have any answers. They just think they do.

Get out now and live in the real world - the universe is much more beautiful and amazing than any religion ever imagined or ever told us.

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hello sceptic,

Just as 'no religions' think they have answers,
your "no religion" thinks its got one of it's own.
>>>>>>>(Get out now and live in the real world - the universe is much more beautiful and amazing than any religion ever imagined or ever told us.)<<<<<<

the programed data you got for your conclusions, is the same as those that need religion.

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Of every malice that gains hatred in heaven the end is injustice; and every such end, either by force or by fraud afflicts another. But because fraud is an evil peculiar to man, it more displeases God, and therefore the fraudulent are the lower, and more pain assails them.

"I made me a gibbet of my own house".

Dante Alighieri
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If all one has is doubt......

It's choiceless the he doubts the doubt

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vertical line Arrival of two young chooks a couple of days ago. Separated from the older hens in their own pen, I helped with the formal introductions today. Most of the older birds gave them a few hard pecks and a chase round about. The boss was laying an egg at the time of the fracas so couldn't intervene to restore any order - so that office was left to me. One older hen wanted to be the mother. Softly, softly.
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Quote: "Arrival of two young chooks a couple of days ago. Separated from the older hens in their own pen, I helped with the formal introductions today. Most of the older birds gave them a few hard pecks and a chase round about. The boss was laying an egg at the time of the fracas so couldn&apos;t intervene to restore any order - so that office was left to me. One older hen wanted to be the mother. Softly, softly. "
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this feels familiar... what is it about?

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Aug.09.2007
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It's our life. Yes. Our Life.

Buddhism & Other Religions
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Aug.12.2007
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vertical line Other religions provide interesting stories, and beautiful intentions, and i found that stuff very interesting.

However Zen has provided me with a reason to wake up in the morning and sit facing a wall for 10 minutes, silently struggling to keep an open mind. I don't find this nearly as interesting as the elaborate rituals of other religions. Yet when i complete my zazen for the day, i feel different. Something is sort of different, my mind is no longer cluttered. And when it is, i have the tools now to change that.

it may not give as much pomp and ritual, yet it actually works.

go figure =)
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Aug.12.2007
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vertical line And then there's all the pomp and ceremony of zen and that's before you even get into the Buddhism. Not much, if anything, to figure.
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vertical line oops, don't forget the ritual, in zen, the zen ritual, that's zen.
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vertical line ok, here IT IS, the nub, right there, IT, not here: >> 'yet when I complete my zazen for the day...'
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vertical line The wall is moving. Especially if I don't blink. Oh crap, I blinked, just because I said it. Not crap, but blink. Uh oh.
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vertical line Mirror, mirror, in the wall, who's the smallest in them all? 
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Aug.12.2007
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vertical line watching the little bar go down the side of the  computer face..to get to... oh I am! ... down, down, down, "plup" it hits the bottom... but in order to move the screen.. the little bar must move too...
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ever notice/

just noticing

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