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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: ALAN WATTS.
vertical line Posted on Jul.04.2007 @ 07:49AM EDT by xrevoluzen
Hey Everyone.
Some of things on this site are random. Especially the Karma post. Someone care to explain?
Anyway, I heard that Alan Watts is a great scholar in regard to Western interpretation of Zen buddhism. Has anyone read his books? If so, which one/s are the best to read?

Cheers.

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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.04.2007
09:32AM EDT 
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vertical line In My Own Way
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Jul.04.2007
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 Karma seems to me to be simply cause and effect, you eat chillis and you realise the next day, simple. Piss off the cops and get arrested, spend all your money and have none left.

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Reply from ______
Jul.04.2007
05:24PM EDT 
vertical line Frank Sinatra got the Alan Watts blues.
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Reply from shayne
Jul.04.2007
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vertical line read cloud hidden whereabouts unknown. thats a good book.
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Jul.04.2007
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vertical line Quote: "In My Own Way "
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This was actually one of his books. Point for me.
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Reply from ______
Jul.05.2007
08:23AM EDT 
vertical line Yeah, I know. I read it in 1974. Alan Watts Blues is a song. Hear it? Another pointer for you.
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line The voices of torrents are from one great tongue,
   the lions of the hills are the pure body of Buddha.
   "Isn't that right?" he said to the teacher.
   "It is," said the teacher, "but it's a pity to say so."
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line I am... a workaholic.
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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line I meant wordaholic... don't answer that.
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Reply from ______
Jul.05.2007
11:37AM EDT 
vertical line I'll sell you some Alan Watts books - even the rare one. Do you have a PayPal account?
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Reply from stephen
Jul.05.2007
12:33PM EDT 
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"Let's suppose, as so often happens, you think of ecstasy as insight, as seeing light. There's a Zen poem which says: A sudden crash of thunder. The mind doors burst open, and there sits the ordinary old man. "

Watts

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Reply from ______
Jul.05.2007
03:06PM EDT 
vertical line Yeah so what? Let's suppose that Alan Watts found his zen at the bottom of a bottle.
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Reply from lehish
Jul.05.2007
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imagining supposing is that

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Reply from ______
Jul.05.2007
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vertical line You seem to be stuck with this imagining what someone else could be imagining - it's just a guess but it could be an imposition thing you have, but I don't really understand the language you're attempting to communicate with. So I am unable to answer your questions.
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Quote: "You seem to be stuck with this imagining what someone else could be imagining - it's just a guess but it could be an imposition thing you have, but I don't really understand the language you're attempting to communicate with. So I am unable to answer your questions. "
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pls quote which suggested there is a "someone else" ;)

a question was asked?

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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line What are you trying to say? And to whom?
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vertical line http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=epUk3T2Kfno
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Jul.05.2007
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Quote: "What are you trying to say? And to whom? "
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what are you trying to show and to as if what?

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Jul.05.2007
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vertical line -ha, ha, well done Mr. Cairo, and what do you have to say about that, my friend?

-Alright. So you've got me in it. What about her?

-Don't worry about me, I'm okay

-Very magnanimous, sir, very magnanimous indeed, ha, ha, ha

-You mean...you won't make us an offer we... we can't refuse...
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Jul.08.2007
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vertical line If i was a chronic alcoholic, what could I have learned from this man? A neglected wife or son... what was there in a father, a husband like this? Sit, don't ask why. Denial is the biggest portion of death.
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Jul.08.2007
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vertical line Good man, not a great scholar.
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Reply from ______
Jul.09.2007
07:41AM EDT 
vertical line Alan Watts was an addict. Addicts tend to wreck the lives of the others who invest so much in them. One of the 'reasons' why he left the Anglican priesthood. Anyway, he did a good line in facial hair. He would spend hours on it, getting it just so - and this with scissors and razor, no less. Then the institution that became Alan Watts would wheel out and hit the lecture circuit where he would become a very unhappy man who, instead of taking refuge in the Buddha, would seek refuge and solace in alcohol. Alan Watts' suffering was his and like the suffering that I call 'mine' is nameless.
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Reply from ______
Jul.09.2007
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vertical line Oh yes, I nearly forgot, Alan Watts found it difficult to relax and was tense and uptight a lot of the time but he was a scholar who wrote some good stuff.
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Jul.09.2007
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vertical line To believe that our lives have been/can be wrecked by the addictive behaviour of someone else, is to believe that we are owed something from outside, from someone. We feel let down by the the a n other in whom we have invested so much of our expectations and potential for our happiness - an illusory fantasy which we project outward. In this method of reality, (yep, it's a method - a reality we establish), we are actually let down by the false image we have created of a n other. It becomes so much easier then, to blame the other rather than to accept personal responsibility for the image and the connection between that image, our nameless suffering and the suffering of the other, where the struggle against suffering only creates new forms of suffering. I don't know, but I hope that Alan Watts was able to accept that compassion was listening to him.
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Jul.09.2007
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vertical line Have a drink on me. If you spill that is.
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Reply from ______
Jul.10.2007
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vertical line What? And, no thanks. And another and. And don't weave when you drive. And er quack quax. tweet twot. And cockadoodledoo. And keep the sheep off the roses. And twinkle twinkle little star. And give way to squirrels. And all those furry mammals. And reptiles. And flutterbyes. And stop, don't go. Now go, don't stop. And call me gone. And. Is there anything else? Something else? Just ask.

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Jul.10.2007
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hello x revolution,

the first book i did read on zen, back in 1973, was one by allen watts, 'the way of zen' ,or  'an introduction to was it's title'
did find it very clear and inspiring at the time, though didn't have any business in the measuring of the man.

regards. 

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Reply from ______
Jul.10.2007
09:22AM EDT 
vertical line No, well he measured himself mate.
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Jul.10.2007
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vertical line If you want something to measure then measure me because I don't find you very clear and inspiring at this time though. How's that?
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Jul.10.2007
09:28AM EDT 
vertical line Where'd it go? Check my autobiography - it's a scream - with a bit on the side.
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Jul.10.2007
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vertical line Did I ever tell you that I am a close personal friend to all the literal stars of literary sound and vision? No? Yes, oh yes. It's all so true. I signed an album cover for Van Morrison once....mmmm in the lobby of a hotel. What do you think about that, eh? And I've got letters to prove my associations, oh yes. If it's proof you want, which I think it is.
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Jul.10.2007
09:40AM EDT 
vertical line Regards - don't you just hate the way a word can be devalued through misuse and overuse? And names and ownerships too - I know I do when it suits. Know what I mean? What's that now? 5 to 1?
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Jul.10.2007
09:42AM EDT 
vertical line Sorry, have to go - kettle's boiling. Cheers and regards.

ps standard pine coffin measure
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Jul.10.2007
09:49AM EDT 
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No, well he measured himself mate.

as it was then i still have no business with it.
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If you want something to measure then measure me because,
I don't find you very clear and inspiring at this time though.
How's that?

I have got no need to want something like that and you can keep that for yourself,
the fog you got there may lift when its ready,
good luck with it.

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Jul.10.2007
09:49AM EDT 
vertical line What's that smell?
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Jul.10.2007
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vertical line Wow!!... how did I do that?
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Jul.10.2007
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vertical line cool huh
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Jul.10.2007
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vertical line In the zone you can see the other guy's post before he posts it and so slip in the answer in the form of a question first.
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Jul.10.2007
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vertical line Then reality changes again and again and a kind of order is re-installed.
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Jul.10.2007
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vertical line There's no business like show business. Ciao!
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Jul.10.2007
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