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vertical line Posted on Aug.09.2007 @ 05:13PM EDT by zenbuddha
what is zen
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.09.2007
05:32PM EDT 
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Aug.09.2007
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vertical line If what is zen and what isn't, what must be must be.
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Reply from -----0
Aug.13.2007
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Quote: "what is zen "
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good to ask, before you join zen monks

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Reply from ______
Aug.13.2007
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vertical line Thanks, I finally realised I'm posting messages in the wrong forum. Anyway, here I am thinking a statement had been made when all along a question had been asked. Shows how wrong I can be, eh? And these zen monks...er...am I to assume you mean on this forum? Now you really have to be joking.
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Aug.14.2007
05:59PM EDT 
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Zen is being awake in the monent. Seeing things for the first time over & over aging. And giving loving, kindness, compassion to all life has for you to see , fell , teast, smell ,listen. with joy and peace with each breath you take.

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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.15.2007
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This body needs a bed.
It is not clear this good or bad.
She's happy when she sees me, sad...
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Reply from -----0
Aug.15.2007
04:20PM EDT 
vertical line well, Rustic, he first asked in another thread how to join zen monks,and  later on he still remembered to ask what zen is in the first place. Don't worry, this forum is just right for you.
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.15.2007
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Aug.15.2007
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Aug.16.2007
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vertical line The love fro one other. Be kind, speak from your heart. Keep bad in puts to your self.Learn ZEN  WITH KINDNESS FOR OTHERS. Not puting one other down as I see on all these topic that is sad to me give LOVE a chance to be in your life.
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Reply from Bezoomy
Aug.16.2007
05:01PM EDT 
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vertical line Don't know. Something to do with some Indian dude. 
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Aug.16.2007
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Aug.16.2007
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Aug.16.2007
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Reply from HarryB
Aug.16.2007
06:55PM EDT 
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The bullshit on this forum annoys me; people cutting out in front of others in traffic and other people getting angry annoys me; drinking bad hospital tea habitually annoys me; my tight boots sqeaking in the hot dry corridors annoys me; the drug addicts in the wards shouting and demanding attention from the overworked nurses annoys me; worrying about my new baby daughter in this world; feeling guilt about not being the perfect father or husband; smelling car fumes, eating poor food in a hurry, reading a book with moments of near clarity; feeling annoyed with my lack of compassion, insight, enlightenment, religious experiences, magical powers, ESP, levitation and other such self loathings...

That was some of today's Zen. How was yours?

Regards,

Harry.

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Reply from 77 zen ror
Aug.16.2007
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vertical line Keep on ZENEN IN A FREE WORLD.Be kind to one other.
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.16.2007
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The bullshit on this forum annoys me; people cutting out in front of others in traffic and other people getting angry annoys me; drinking bad hospital tea habitually annoys me; my tight boots sqeaking in the hot dry corridors annoys me; the drug addicts in the wards shouting and demanding attention from the overworked nurses annoys me; worrying about my new baby daughter in this world; feeling guilt about not being the perfect father or husband; smelling car fumes, eating poor food in a hurry, reading a book with moments of near clarity; feeling annoyed with my lack of compassion, insight, enlightenment, religious experiences, magical powers, ESP, levitation and other such self loathings...

That was some of today's Zen. How was yours?

Regards,

Harry.

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You should have let me make it for you, the tea that is...  First I start with one large styrofoam cup, filled half full of filtered water, boil it in the microwave for 2 minutes, place 2 tea bags in the boiling water, let it get good and dark, and fill the rest of the cup with ice, put a plastic lid on, with a straw, and offer sugar or sweetener.

So you have a daughter? What were you doing in the hospital?
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Reply from Lynnoh
Aug.16.2007
10:23PM EDT 
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nausia, heart if flipping and flopping, neck is tight... yeah... what is zen again?

got a wonderful picture movie with eye lids shut... but so quick you see...white wall and someonemoving...

but what makes that different...from anything else

still the flipp floppys and..the stomach....  

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Reply from Lynnoh
Aug.16.2007
10:27PM EDT 
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Aug.16.2007
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Reply from HarryB
Aug.17.2007
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Yes, everything is fine Lynnoh, thanks.

Inner city hostpitals are cathedrals to the art of being human.

Regards,

Harry.

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Aug.17.2007
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vertical line ...all those moments when I get annoyed and angry with numptys cutting ME up in traffic and the car in front of ME going slower than the speed I want to travel at and the motorist demanding HIS rights at the petrol station putting too much petrol or diesel in the tank and spilling it all over the forecourt so I have to walk in the pool of fuel and theatrically wipe my shoes hoping someone else is watching so they will do something about it and HIM racing to the door in front of ME and holding ME up while he chooses a pair of sunglasses and the routine airheads and their shopping channels and retail therapy and so-called reality tv programmes and weather forecasters and newsreaders who mispronounce words and decimilisation and metric measures on the market and engines left running in carparks while the driver reads a newspaper and habits habits habits of cruelty to animals out of so-called love for pets and demands for cheap food and children and old people that no one else seems to see and children yanking on dog collars choking dogs in town and drunks shouting at children in supermarkets and slapping down all and sundry...
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Aug.17.2007
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Reply from HarryB
Aug.17.2007
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Yes, Zen is very human, to the extent that it doesn't reject what we may consider our 'inhumanity'. 

"HIM", "THEM", "ME"... are perfectly useful and legitimate designations. Some Zen practitioners have even proven, through Zen practice, that these designations need not be a source of dissatisfaction. Yet it is forever pointed out that pain still hurts and efforts can still be made.

Dogen Zenji said that simply to sit in the posture of Zazen is to be a Buddha. I suppose, if the result of Zen is buddhahood,  Zazen is Zen (according to Dogen). Personally I agree with him; Zen is that sort of 'action'. There are many other opinions to what constitutes Zen. Buddhahood should not be the carrot-on-a-stick that it has been/ is being made into.

When we accept that Zen won't save us from experiencing pain, loss, or death then I think we can be said to have made some progress. Zazen can make us a little more wise to the ways of ourselves, the survival techniques of our identities, the twistings of our thoughts and needs be it sex, booze, love, adoration or buddhahood.

Regards,

Harry.

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Aug.17.2007
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vertical line ...and 5 mph in traffic and the driver in front throws litter out of the window I see me stop get out pick up the litter and go racing after him and say 'scuse me you dropped this then chuck it back in through his open window and then race back to my car and gesticulate at the drivers behind in a supplicatory fashion while thinking the opposite as they are bip pip papping their horns and telling me to get moving into the 20 yard gap that's opened up in front of me and then I come home the lights are out I put the key in the door which won't open for all the junk mail behind it and the cat comes up complaining like 'where the hell have you been?' and there's a chicken fight and I close the door and it's knock-knock hello I'm the man from Porlock...
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Aug.17.2007
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Aug.17.2007
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vertical line ...oh the phone's ringing should I answer it? it rings its ringing hello? daughter? yeah I'm fine I'm ok how are you? landlord wants to sell the flat she rents and has told her to find another windowless dungeon to live in while sending prospective buyers round at all hours of the day and night...have you heard from gran? yeah everything is a 'thingymajig' to gran the fridge the oven the food the car it's all thingymajig your sister sounds better when I spoke to her I say don't let's talk about him the him who she lived with for 11 years who suddenly without any preamble upped and left one morning to see the world starting with Hong Kong I think...her sleep clinic appointment has finally come through for Ocotber so...and she starts CBT at the end of this month which is more than we hoped for..I tell her the anti-depressants and sleeping tablets don't mix well with a bottle of wine a night because you know that isn't sleep...a big black cloud rises up inside as I picture the man she loved who secretly salted away thousands of pounds to finance his round the world trip and it sits there like a giant anvil if I let it...ok talk to you later there's someone at the door...
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Aug.17.2007
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Aug.17.2007
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vertical line the man from Porlock is still here...all those moments...I don't hinder that moment no choking back its moving up and a body rack sob and salt water rain breaks POW!...I'm in the cloud which is me and there is a lot of nothing happening here...no complaints no why mes no separation I am all and nothing and in spite of me and yet because of...it is beautiful no impotence in awareness...watching the watcher not cut off from suffering and so not cut off from joy...like silent Alyosha it disappeared when you arrived your beautiful face I love your face...in that instant reaction is the moment of truth...all those moments...



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Aug.17.2007
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Aug.17.2007
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vertical line For the love OF ZEN. Just look at the loveing kindness that you all put in to these email. You all can learn from this  Zen is learning, to be awake , to see all things for the first time with the eyes of compassion. And to carry love in your heart. All take care RORY       Be kind to others
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Aug.18.2007
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Aug.18.2007
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Reply from Davidseon
Aug.20.2007
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Zen, Ch'an, Seon  is Just another Dharma door, make to much of it and you go straight to hell!

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Aug.20.2007
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Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Aug.21.2007
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Stop look listen to what your heart is saying. Stay  in the now breath in breath out. count your breath. Wash your bolw out.

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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Reply from Lynnoh
Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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my heart tells me that if I am with you long enough ..you will no longer be who I thought you are...but who I cannot say... you could be my grandson,my daughter, a friend, a lover.... and not anyone in particular.. you surprise me as you fade away to where I cannot know you...yet you remain with me.... I cry because I cannot say, truely... oh..now another voice asI feel a who..inside...

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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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vertical line The wind speaks, in the trees, of others we have known, of others we have never known.

The voice speaks, in a language, which we wish not to change, but the voice is in the wind, it's direction is always moving toward us, within sound heard through us, like leaves listening to the tree's branches, in the wind.

We hear life, in every breath. We give life to the wind.
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.21.2007
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Aug.22.2007
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Quote: "You are ok Lynnoh. I just want to know how I can help you. "
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by being here, I almost wrote...

later...the daughter says, "you help by being here"..as she strokes my hair and she feels not like.....

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Aug.22.2007
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Aug.22.2007
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acceptance is which is efforted when not loving

loving doesn't required efforting-acceptance

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Aug.22.2007
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Aug.22.2007
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Aug.23.2007
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Aug.23.2007
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In my selfish love, I remember You and You alone.
In that other love, You lift the veil
And let me feast my eyes on Your Living Face.

~RabiĀ“a al-Adawiyya~
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Aug.23.2007
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there seems to be two side of me...the one where I grab the grandsons nose and ears and pretnd to eat them this morning..and he my eyes and head...while he covers up under a blanket and calls it his "sheild"... and then there is the one...well.... that feels...mmmmmmmmmm   very wonderful  :)

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Aug.23.2007
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Aug.25.2007
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Aug.27.2007
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Aug.27.2007
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Sep.14.2007
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