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vertical line Posted on Sep.26.2007 @ 04:33AM EDT by gyro16

I was just reading the Lotus Sutra and when I reached the " A perfect physical appearance is not a perfect physical appearance, therefor it is called a perfect physical appearance."

Please help! I'm confused!

With Metta'

gyro 16


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Sep.26.2007
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Sep.26.2007
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vertical line better forget sutras
there is a philosophic explanation to it,
but it is just another set of concepts
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Reply from Lynnoh
Sep.27.2007
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Quote: "better forget sutras
there is a philosophic explanation to it,
but it is just another set of concepts
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I don't know...in order to "forget" rain..one usually is completly wet

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Sep.27.2007
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Sep.27.2007
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Sep.27.2007
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Quote: "King me! "
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what?

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Sep.27.2007
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like a jutebox..put a pennie in and a song emerges...   hahahaha

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Sep.27.2007
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Sep.27.2007
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vertical line Where's my muse at?
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Sep.27.2007
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did that...
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Sep.27.2007
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vertical line I wondered where you went
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Sep.27.2007
01:53PM EDT 
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vertical line ta hell, I did, and back ta dis ease.
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Sep.27.2007
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vertical line ya...lie was in it but I don't recall where...
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Sep.27.2007
01:58PM EDT 
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vertical line recall now, not where, that's easy as a pie in the air
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Reply from stephen
Sep.27.2007
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I was just reading the Lotus Sutra and when I reached the

"A perfect physical appearance is not a perfect physical appearance, therefore it is called a perfect physical appearance."

I am called Buddha but I know no stinking Buddha so I am Buddha.

The path follows the stream but is not the stream. The stream follows the path but is not the path. Yet the stream is the path. MU

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Sep.27.2007
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vertical line i gotta pee, but I'm a gardener, so... see ya, now as later...
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Sep.27.2007
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vertical line hahaha... gotta go....ouch
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Sep.27.2007
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Quote: "I don't know...in order to "forget" rain..one usually is completly wet"
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that is how rain is best experienced

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Reply from 77 zen ror
Sep.27.2007
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It's when we forggive. We turly understand. Know of it let go of it. Be at peace with one self and the world you live in..

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Sep.27.2007
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vertical line Wrong, come back when there is nothing to forgive.
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Sep.27.2007
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Sep.28.2007
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vertical line That's so wrong it's right . . .forgive us for you know not what I do.
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Reply from Woodsman
Sep.28.2007
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vertical line Ok, we forgive you. Have a brownie... They're to die for, if you can deny suffering through pleasure.
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Sep.28.2007
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Quote: "Ok, we forgive you. Have a brownie... They're to die for, if you can deny suffering through pleasure. "
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I'd don't know what this means.."if you can deny suffering through pleasure"...why did you attach it to the brownies I was to make?

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Reply from 77 zen ror
Sep.28.2007
06:09PM EDT 
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vertical line Just be one with your self. A heart thats collets no dust. Free of all things. Awaken, A Lotus to be.
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Sep.28.2007
09:14PM EDT 
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vertical line Pleasure is suffering, it creates more suffering, just by the fact of  the inequalities it creates, as in... to be without, or to be with,  happiness either way. The brownie to die for, again, is an exaggerated example of "more is better".  What a lie! More is worse! So, I make it a pattern of refusing rich delicious foods, just to cause a fraction of doubt, in others.  I don't drink any alcohol either. Won't go to parties (again a food thing), and, what else? My finger was a lesson for me, not to think and work at the same time.
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Sep.28.2007
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Sep.28.2007
09:23PM EDT 
vertical line Just starting to function again. Mostly been sleeping the last couple of weeks, not doing anything, but waiting,
waiting for it to pass.. Sleep has been a good distraction and therapy, I`ve started to dream again, or rather probably,
I am aware of me dreaming again. Nice dreams, nothing special. Have dreamt much about family it seems. Noticing
that my dead grandmother has this curiouse ability to be alive in my dreams. Like it should be the most natural thing in
the world. Also have this feeling that I`ve noticed this and contemplated this fact in one or more dream(s), But those dream
memories are so faint, just bits and pieces of some unknown abstract story I suspect I`ve dreamt.

Nothing special about the dreams in one way, just family, relatives doing stuff together, traveling. Having a pleasant time,
even enjoying the company of my mother. Much exploring of my grandmothers house, thats often very big, floors in bad condition,
rotten planks. (the dream house never resemble the real 4 story house thats rater in good shape). Sometimes the house might
even undetectingly transform itself into an ocean liner/ferry, changing the whole course of the dream.

Also remember dreaming about one of the friends I`ve silently said goodbye to. That to was nice, some extravagant huge
cool hotel room, him with some pretty lady. Pleasure has always been his game, much younger than me. (Had some good
times with him. Some bad ones too with harsh but rather enlightning arguments over me lending a hand in getting his business
venture up and running, taking pleasure in giving him "highcost" graphically work for pennies. And his lack of understanding
that I would accept him being 2 even three months behind on an invoice, but could not relate to phony dates, exuses and
other totally unessesary bullshit when I was counting on those money for overdue bills.)

When I was not sleeping I was in misery, contemplating cozy, painless and practical ways to commit suicide using common
houshold items (there are none btw.) Contemplating the effect on my surroundings, practical matters.

After two weeks it got really bad, a good time to not have a gun or access to morpine. Then I kinda snapped out of it over a few
days, even the fucking weather went from weeks of rain rain to sunshine.

I realised I would be able to function again, making stuff on my computer, handling the world.

U see, the crutch was not helping me anymore, I had to throw it away, I really had no choice in that matter. It was the only thing I
was certain of. I had no frigging idea of how long time it would take me to functione normally again, or if I ever would..

It seem like i`m okay now. Have this huge stack of unopened letters, bills. overdue rent, undone taxpapers long overdue, it`s all a
big mess. But it`s ok, because I know now that I am capable of handling it.

Was on my first business meeting in a long time yesterday, they were real happy to see me. No one even mentioned the fact that
I was in a similare meeting many months ago, for so to loose all the notes and do nothing afterwards.

I tought I had lost two other clients after not even bothering to check mail for weeks, but found one apology for not getting in thouch
due to server problems and stuff and are meeting them on monday.
No mail from the other client, but an apology when I called them for forgetting to tell me that the whole project had been postponed
for 2 months.

I take it as a good start, must have done something good:) Now I just gotta magically create (=borrow) money to take care of
screaming short term crises, which I guess it`s plenty of, call abouth my taxes and tell them what an idiot I am and beg for mercy.
And all sorta shit. No big deal really, because I am fully cabable of handling it. Might even be fun to fix this mess. A mess that really
started years ago with some quick pleasure, leading to easy shortcuts in taking on a teaching job in something I`d always
wanted to learn.. :/

But I have nothing against brownies, nothing for them either for that matter. I don`t eat them so much anymore, they really means nothing to me.
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Sep.28.2007
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vertical line Well, you`ve gotten better after that tragic toothpick accident which left you horrible mutilated in the face I hope?
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Sep.28.2007
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Sep.28.2007
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vertical line But, but, thats all Pandora left me?..
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Sep.28.2007
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Sep.29.2007
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vertical line Kindness for one other. So nice to see. Hi Sunsine, Wood, all the rest of you. Be goo boys & girls. Keep your fingers to your self.
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Sep.30.2007
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Quote: "Keep your fingers to your self."
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:D

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Sep.30.2007
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vertical line I like it best when my postings suck and I'm a sick lost sicko dirty bitch dog who needs the doc to take a look at me to do some open heart surgery. I'm so sick I cam smell them sober fingers flexing fist - they stink of the kind of renunciation that ties the lush in knots for all eternity.

After me...one two rotate and swivel.
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Sep.30.2007
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vertical line He has the feeling that merely by being alive he is blocking his own way. From this sense of hindrance, in turn, he deduces the proof that he is alive.
~Kafka
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Sep.30.2007
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vertical line Yeah, as Buddha said, "life is pain, get used to it!"
Or was that my mother?... Anyway, take care:)
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Sep.30.2007
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vertical line then you are okay then?
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Sep.30.2007
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vertical line With a mother like that? You kidding?
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vertical line Quote: "aim lower, get er around the ankles, and don't let go, let er do that... good for hair loss "
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Still have this false sense that there is some deep wisdom behind those words of you`rs Woods...
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Oct.01.2007
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" A perfect physical appearance is not a perfect physical appearance, therefor it is called a perfect physical appearance."

Gyro 16, I think you've assigned yourself a koan. We could all throw a lot of words and concepts at it , but all  we'd be doing is adding to the words and concepts you have already formed about the subject.

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Reply Number 1 is proven, proved, proving with yeast.
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Oct.01.2007
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quote: "I just want to look for the Blue Morpho butterfly while everyone talks about things that don't matter."

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quote: "I just want to look for the Blue Morpho butterfly while everyone talks about things that don't matter."

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he was saying: "I just want to look for the Blue Morpho butterfly while everyone talks about things that don't matter."

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Quote: "Ah, ok, I heard you twice the first time. "
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what "twice" ?

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Quote: "What are you saying?"
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what are you saying posts?

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vertical line So, it's "he's saying" - what are you saying, and I'm saying it.

Language? - ps and qs, what's yours?
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I speak from my heart. my words as soft as a rose. To tough the hearts of others, so that they too can be free of suffering. To be at peace with you an my self in the live that I live. As you all tough my heart. A lotus to be.

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