A monk asked the Chinese Ch'an master Chien Paling:
-What is the difference between the meaning of the Sutras and that of the Patriarch?
The master replied:
-When it is cold, hen would go up on a tree and duck down to water.
I see what you mean by this going around and around and a - roundy roundy roundy round thing. Hell, you must be in the 3rd circle of er hell by now. And thanks for all your descriptions - how much? And will someone turn that bloody hell checker off for Dante's sake.