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  Shih-tou Hsi-chien (700-790) was a very well known Chinese Ch'an master.
As a young monk, he was one of the disciples of the Sixth Patriarch Hui-neng.
After Hui-neng passed away, Shih-tou continued his pilgrimage...
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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: WHERE IS CHON TRI ?
vertical line Posted on Nov.14.2007 @ 12:16PM EDT by Lynnoh
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Nov.14.2007
01:19PM EDT 
vertical line Where you want him.
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Reply from Lynnoh
Nov.15.2007
01:07PM EDT 
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Quote: "Where you want him."
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I can't answer that, so how do I know ?

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Nov.15.2007
02:54PM EDT 
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vertical line i think he change his name again

Mary? You there?
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Nov.15.2007
03:09PM EDT 
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Lily?


morp?
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Nov.16.2007
08:52PM EDT 
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vertical line Come to papa. I put a smile on your face. :)
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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.16.2007
09:17PM EDT 
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vertical line Man Chon, you have really changed.
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Nov.16.2007
09:46PM EDT 
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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.16.2007
11:36PM EDT 
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vertical line Chon Tri!!!
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Nov.17.2007
12:16AM EDT 
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vertical line He's here, somewhere.
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Reply from -----0
Nov.17.2007
10:09AM EDT 
vertical line There is the one when he comes the whole world cannot stop him, and when he goes the whole world cannot hold him back :)
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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.17.2007
01:00PM EDT 
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vertical line here he is, i found him
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Reply from ______
Nov.17.2007
02:02PM EDT 
vertical line What's wrong with you people? Do you know?
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Nov.17.2007
03:04PM EDT 
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vertical line I don't drink alcohol, smoke anything, and am a nurse. And it's snowing.
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Reply from ______
Nov.17.2007
04:20PM EDT 
vertical line Is that why your mind never stops moving, looking through keyholes?
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Nov.17.2007
04:32PM EDT 
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vertical line Oh, and I don't look through keyholes. I just swipe my id badge, and I'm in to face the suffering once again. : )
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Nov.17.2007
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Quote: "What's wrong with you people? Do you know?"
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Knowing means problems

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Nov.17.2007
05:34PM EDT 
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vertical line Dualities make problems, and solutions make, um... well, without problems, there are, no needs for solutions. So where I am, is where you are, as he is, and we are all together.... as one. ha ha ha . Cuz there are no longer problems, or solutions. And I only know that Chon Tri is in my mind, or heart, and even maybe in the body, of us all. If we are all the same as one, without the if though.
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Nov.17.2007
05:47PM EDT 
vertical line The mind is a beggar, always knocking on the wrong doors, looking through keyholes - all the doors in this world are the wrong doors.
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Nov.17.2007
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vertical line I understand that. Looking with the mind of word associations doesn't work. One must get down to listening to the body. There, I feel, is the way to avoid suffering, which is created by the verbal mind noise.

Where is Chon Tri? I don't know.  Why is one looking in the past?
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Nov.17.2007
06:13PM EDT 
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vertical line But all sound is valid to listen to, as in awakening the association between the observer and the observed, until unity consciousness is attained. But there are no conditions to force this, it seems to happen more with an openness.
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Nov.17.2007
06:17PM EDT 
vertical line When the mind looks to the past it feels comfortable because it can organise, categorise and manipulate suffering, then it looks to the future with hope for an illusory balance.
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Nov.17.2007
06:19PM EDT 
vertical line The mind cannot see the present, here, now.
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Nov.17.2007
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vertical line The interpretation is what one cannot do in the present, otherwise it is lost.
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Nov.17.2007
06:53PM EDT 
vertical line The mind is dead, not quick.
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Nov.17.2007
07:05PM EDT 
vertical line Only mind moves; creates time and moves, lives in hope, lives in desire, in promises and postponement; balances the hurting past with hope for a happy future. The mind is never ready for now.
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Nov.17.2007
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Quote: "Only mind moves; creates time and moves, lives in hope, lives in desire, in promises and postponement; balances the hurting past with hope for a happy future. The mind is never ready for now. "
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mind doesn't 'do'

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Nov.17.2007
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mind no substance

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Nov.17.2007
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Nov.18.2007
05:20AM EDT 
vertical line substance no substance
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Nov.18.2007
05:50AM EDT 
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Quote: "substance no substance"
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not substance-nosubstance....just no substance :)

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Nov.18.2007
08:19AM EDT 
vertical line Substance, not substance or no substance - you choose - and your mind moves, keeps on moving, it never stops.
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Nov.18.2007
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Quote: "Only mind moves; creates time and moves, lives in hope, lives in desire, in promises and postponement; balances the hurting past with hope for a happy future. The mind is never ready for now. "
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mind doesn't 'do'

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Yes it does, it moves. Otherwise you would not experience what you call 'time'.

There are those insecure, idiotic, mask-wearing liars whose mind moves towards penis extensions and for some these extensions are enlargements. They think they would like to live for 500 years or maybe a thousand or perhaps for ever physically so their minds can move to worrying about death for 500 years, maybe a thousand, perhaps for ever. They think their search is for power, knowledge, wealth, but they search for the eternal - the deathless as they masturbate their weapons and rape the world, giving death by ammunition. This is what minds do. And so their minds move.
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Reply from shayne
Nov.18.2007
09:57AM EDT 
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vertical line one can control the mind.
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Nov.18.2007
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vertical line Who controlled/will control/is controlling the penis extensions, the penis enlargements, the clubs, the slings, bows & arrows, cannon, taser, handgun, cattle-prod, rifle, missiles, shotgun, cluster bomb, rocket, H-bomb, neutron bomb blah-de-blah-de-blah...?
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Reply from Snibbler
Nov.18.2007
03:34PM EDT 
vertical line But.. they`re so pretty..
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Reply from -----0
Nov.18.2007
03:34PM EDT 
vertical line that's when the left lobe wants to control the right lobe
and the right lobe wants to control the left lobe
they are both under control :)
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Reply from -----0
Nov.18.2007
03:38PM EDT 
vertical line OK . . . where's the button
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Nov.18.2007
04:18PM EDT 
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Quote: "Substance, not substance or no substance - you choose - and your mind moves, keeps on moving, it never stops. "
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nope

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Nov.18.2007
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Quote: "Substance, not substance or no substance - you choose - and your mind moves, keeps on moving, it never stops. "
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what "mind" ?

what "choose"?

 

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Reply from ______
Nov.18.2007
04:28PM EDT 
vertical line That's right - you keep moving and choosing.
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Nov.18.2007
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vertical line That ego needs feeding, riding them left lobes and right lobes -giddyup!!
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Reply from Woodsman
Nov.18.2007
04:39PM EDT 
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vertical line Look! Up in the sky!

Is it a bird?!

Is it a plane?!

Wha... it's a, looking without mt glasses on.
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Nov.18.2007
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vertical line Think the game of 'zen' is appealing? Who wants to play 'zen'? It won't help, but if you want to playzen, first you have to pretend to relax.
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Reply from ______
Nov.18.2007
04:48PM EDT 
vertical line That mind, this mind, his, hers, its, tits tits tits titsup down up down moany moanie mownee choices choices choices, these words, letters, forms, commas, language, communication, bullshit, egoshit, pushthebutton, flicktheswitch - where is the button? Chontri - he has the button. It's a seed, the button - abutton seed abutt on - where's the soil? Preserve the seed, preserve the seed in the soil, yeah that's it - die seed and be preserving
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Nov.18.2007
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vertical line i make babies with thoughts
want one?
named him Mara
just Mara, or Mar
it's a he
likes to cry a lot
is pretty hungry, ugly little cus
eats too fast
then barfs in your face
sits in his own poop
gets his hands in it
is never pleased
never smiles, unless he's passing some has, or big stinkin' poop

so i turned off the tv and radio
live in the woods
don't date... what's that?
trimmed my beard cuz i sacred my supervisor
plus i follow authority, then apologize, for Mar
it was due to Mara's bein' up all night
i guess
tonight it's cold outside
well... Mar is always takin' off his clothes
so... have already cut off the ice cream
i could take him with me to the frozen lake
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Nov.18.2007
05:03PM EDT 
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he's makin' me, fook oop.
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Nov.18.2007
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Nov.18.2007
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vertical line Well there, a great effort is needed in order to realise no effort is needed. Best not to give a name to your problems. Works for me. Anyway, I'm off for a bath.
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Nov.18.2007
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codependency
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Nov.18.2007
06:42PM EDT 
vertical line It's snowing, you know, out of the sky? No, no, in the sky, yes that's right, it's snowing in the sky and not in of, no, no that can't be right either, it's snowing snow where earth meets sky, but that's all wrong too, y'know I is experiencing snowing, hey wait a sec - I ams kys now, oh my God.
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Nov.18.2007
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vertical line "My God, always abandons me."

 This relationship is not one of advantage to anyone but who is in the habit of feeling rejection, but can't express the pain, for fear that it too would be rejected.
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Nov.18.2007
07:43PM EDT 
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Quote: "That's right - you keep moving and choosing. "
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may appear as if 'that' if imagining 'you-choosing'

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Nov.18.2007
07:46PM EDT 
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Quote: "That mind, this mind, "

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not if 'that' isn't imagined 

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Quote: "It's snowing, you know, out of the sky? No, no, in the sky, yes that's right, it's snowing in the sky and not in of, no, no that can't be right either, it's snowing snow where earth meets sky, but that's all wrong too, y'know I is experiencing snowing, hey wait a sec - I ams kys now, oh my God."
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did step on a nail ? ;)

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Nov.19.2007
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may appear as if 'that' if imagining 'you-choosing'

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What's real and what's not real. To be or not to be. . . Imagination, 'you-choosing/me-choosing/he/she/it-choosing - ego, mind, I, and many more in additions - the reality criterion isn't whether they have substance or no substance, whether the ego is real or not, rules or not, the criteria is: Do they survive death? And the answer is: No, they don't survive death! Death burns 'em up. They're phantasms written on water. Awareness survives death, so always remaining alert, aware. Do you know who I am? Or. . . ?
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Nov.19.2007
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Nov.19.2007
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vertical line Who will expound on substance? Who will expound? Who's substance is expounding? Who's substance is substantive?
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Nov.19.2007
02:21PM EDT 
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r thinking there's someone to show something to ?

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Nov.19.2007
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Quote: "Awareness no substance? Who will expound on the nature of awareness? "
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hehe, there you go thinking stuff which wasn't being said

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Nov.19.2007
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Nov.19.2007
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Quote: "9 more years lookin' at this wall "
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then stop thinking 'that' ;)

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then stop thinking 'that' ;)

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There? Go where? No, I'm asking you about awareness and substance. Because you brought substance in to this mock pseudo play conversation, I mention awareness. Think substance no substance - it don't matter to me - think what you like, we all do. Substance or no substance awareness anyone?
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Nov.19.2007
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what "looking at this wall"?

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Nov.19.2007
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hehe, there you go thinking stuff which wasn't being said

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There? Go where? No, I'm asking you about awareness and substance. Because you brought substance in to this mock pseudo play conversation, I mention awareness. Think substance no substance - it don't matter to me - think what you like, we all do. Substance or no substance awareness anyone? "
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There? Go where? No, I'm asking you about awareness and substance. Because you brought substance in to this mock pseudo play conversation, I mention awareness. Think substance no substance - it don't matter to me - think what you like, we all do. Substance or no substance awareness anyone?
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there-you-go=thinking-about

don't hang on a word which doesn't say

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9 x's it is
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Nov.19.2007
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There? Go where? No, I'm asking you about awareness and substance. Because you brought substance in to this mock pseudo play conversation, I mention awareness. Think substance no substance - it don't matter to me - think what you like, we all do. Substance or no substance awareness anyone? "
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There? Go where? No, I'm asking you about awareness and substance. Because you brought substance in to this mock pseudo play conversation, I mention awareness. Think substance no substance - it don't matter to me - think what you like, we all do. Substance or no substance awareness anyone?
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there-you-go=thinking-about


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You're hanging out your pseudo advice to the wrong person. At least I don't have to help you choose a cabbage. To buy, cook and eat. ey ho ho hum de dum de dum de dah dah And remember, a cabbage in the wrong hands is a dangerous cabbage.
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Nov.20.2007
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lol

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Nov.20.2007
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gnanyhnwym

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is there a meaning 'y' ? ;)

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Nov.21.2007
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Nov.21.2007
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Nov.21.2007
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Nov.23.2007
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All of them...as big as a song ;)


Why seek Chon Tri?
Can he give someone something that they already possess?

Why seek?

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Nov.23.2007
09:37AM EDT 
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Nov.23.2007
03:12PM EDT 
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Quote: "Quote: "How many forms of love are there?"
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All of them...as big as a song ;)


Why seek Chon Tri?
Can he give someone something that they already possess?

Why seek?

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he can give what only he gave give

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Nov.23.2007
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Nov.23.2007
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Nov.23.2007
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Nov.23.2007
03:58PM EDT 
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Woodsman, thought of you..and now you are here..should I go back to figure it out..what thought brought you to mind?

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Nov.23.2007
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Nov.23.2007
04:10PM EDT 
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Quote: "I am "
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but it seemed more specific ... like ... the first?

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Reply from Lynnoh
Nov.23.2007
04:12PM EDT 
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vertical line ohh... I'd have to look.. ...except I am ....
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Nov.23.2007
04:12PM EDT 
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vertical line have to go now..bye bye
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Nov.23.2007
05:51PM EDT 
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vertical line Don't leave but I LOVE YOU. You give great compassion to the topic. Have a smooth day. Rory:) Hi QQ
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Nov.23.2007
06:20PM EDT 
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vertical line it doesn't seem, it is, when it is, codependent originational
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Nov.23.2007
06:47PM EDT 
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Ok I did show my love.

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Nov.24.2007
12:49PM EDT 
vertical line Oh Lord
I find
I lost
my mind
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Nov.24.2007
12:49PM EDT 
vertical line Oh Lord I find
I lost my mind
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Nov.24.2007
12:50PM EDT 
vertical line I find
Oh Lord
I lost
my mind
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Nov.24.2007
12:52PM EDT 
vertical line my mind
I lost
Oh Lord
I find
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Nov.24.2007
03:21PM EDT 
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vertical line hahaha
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Nov.24.2007
07:12PM EDT 
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vertical line Give of your self /Give of your heart/
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Nov.24.2007
08:32PM EDT 
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vertical line she just did
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Nov.24.2007
09:37PM EDT 
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vertical line Sweet love at it's best.
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Nov.24.2007
09:42PM EDT 
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vertical line now she knows
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Nov.24.2007
11:48PM EDT 
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vertical line I love you man. lol Have a good night. Ror man
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Nov.25.2007
09:13AM EDT 
vertical line Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.
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Nov.25.2007
10:55AM EDT 
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vertical line i'm not just growin' a beard for nothin' ya know
i can't help if it improves my good looks, they tell me
is warms in winter, globally responsive
um, creates tropical vortexes in regions formerly only accustomed to mild fluctuations  in mid-winter changes

i think i'm hungry
i may be hungry
let me look at the clock, or feel my beard, that's right

look no hands,
the left southern region it feeling a need to be itched
could that be hunger?
for a Buddha?
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Nov.26.2007
05:47PM EDT 
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vertical line Only your iner self knows. And the sprit you go by.
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Nov.26.2007
08:00PM EDT 
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vertical line My the love in your heart an of Zen be the path for the rest of your life. LQQk only in your heart of your sprit to show you the way. To see with the eyes of compassion.
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Dec.04.2007
01:03PM EDT 
vertical line See what? See over there....on the mountain, sorry well said was, whoo whoo foo fffffff ffff.........parp!!
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