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  Posted on Sep.11.2009 @ 10:04PM EDT by chontri
Once the brahmin Janussoni approached the Buddha... and spoke to him thus:

"It is said, Master Gotama, 'Nibbana is directly visible.' In what way, Master
Gotama, is Nibbana... continue...

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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: LIKE A REFLECTION
vertical line Posted on Dec.09.2007 @ 07:13AM EDT by chontri

Like the relflection of the moon in a calm lake,
when it's gone, there is no trace left to the water.

Like the shadow of a bird that flies over a river,
when it's gone, no trace left  to the river surface .


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Dec.09.2007
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vertical line are they gone?
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Answer your question yourself.
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Dec.09.2007
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vertical line I see no lake, no moon and no reflection
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Dec.09.2007
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vertical line That's probably because you don't know who you are, when you do, you could tell who it is that says I don't see / I see. But in order to see and hear, you need to learn to look and listen, otherwise you will continue to think that knowing gives rise to problems.
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Dec.09.2007
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Oh, you don't see any of them.  So, wait until when you see them.
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Dec.09.2007
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vertical line once I see them, they wont be gone
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vertical line That's the after-image.
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Dec.09.2007
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Quote: "once I see them, they wont be gone"
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So, carry them with you as long as you'd like.

 

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Dec.09.2007
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Chontri says they are gone

I either see them or don't see them
I never see them gone

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vertical line You're 'like' glued to appearances looking away.
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Dec.09.2007
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vertical line What theory are you looking for?
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Dec.09.2007
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are you maybe a scientist
they understand things

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vertical line you left some traces
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vertical line Keep 'em, they're all yours.
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Dec.09.2007
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vertical line where have you been? something quiet wonderful you know...much gratitude... and so much beauty...I cannot help but to cry...but not during (so to speak).. but to the one who feeds me and who eats for me and who care for me... so ..but you know, right
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Dec.09.2007
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vertical line Know that all phenomena are like this.
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Dec.09.2007
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vertical line Quote: "Know that all phenomena are like this."
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...a beautiful reminder, thank you Chon Tri.
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Dec.09.2007
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Images appear, then go 

Be aware of the moment, and let it go

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Dec.10.2007
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: )

glad to hear from everyone here and out there ......    : )

love you

boopoom

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Dec.10.2007
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vertical line Well if you want, or even need to get pedantic and scientific about it (yoga is a science - the practice is an art), phenomena created by mind is illusion, ergo, things are not as they appear. Also, one (a mined) can't be aware of the moment and and threfore can't let it go, because a mind is incapable of awareness of the moment - beware the trickery of the mind. So, it's the mind (with its reflections and traces and memory tricks), which needs be let go, dropped.
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Dec.10.2007
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vertical line See how the mind works:

Well if you want, or even need to get pedantic and scientific about it (yoga is a science - the practice is an art), phenomena created by mind is illusion, ergo, things are not as they appear. Also, one (a mined mind minding) can't be aware of the moment and threfore can't let it go, because a mind is incapable of awareness of the moment - beware the trickery of the mind. So, it's the mind (with its reflections and traces and memory tricks), which needs be let go, dropped.
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Dec.10.2007
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Let go, dropped?
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vertical line Ripple 4:

easy meditation
not easily wakened after sleep
dizziness
crying spells
pleasure / pain along spine
pain in chest
visual aberrations
pressure in forehead
pressure in top of head
spasmodic breathing
feeling of energy
sounds inside head
respiration dangerously low
heat and cold in body
cold body, warm fontanella
feeling of pulsating leaf in pelvis, abdomen, head
sense of emptiness
irritability

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I am the Number 1 bestseller - like a virgin.
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Dec.10.2007
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vertical line Ladies and gentlemen: "the light".
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vertical line Quote: "See how the mind works:

Well if you want, or even need to get pedantic and scientific about it (yoga is a science - the practice is an art), phenomena created by mind is illusion, ergo, things are not as they appear. Also, one (a mined mind minding) can't be aware of the moment and threfore can't let it go, because a mind is incapable of awareness of the moment - beware the trickery of the mind. So, it's the mind (with its reflections and traces and memory tricks), which needs be let go, dropped.
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Separate from mind? Duality.

Nothing to let go, why hold it so tight?
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vertical line Quote: "where have you been? something quiet wonderful you know...much gratitude... and so much beauty...I cannot help but to cry...but not during (so to speak).. but to the one who feeds me and who eats for me and who care for me... so ..but you know, right"
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Hi, Ms Lynn,

Everything is already in you, whether it is the light or darkness.  Just realize it.

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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "See how the mind works:

Well if you want, or even need to get pedantic and scientific about it (yoga is a science - the practice is an art), phenomena created by mind is illusion, ergo, things are not as they appear. Also, one (a mined mind minding) can't be aware of the moment and threfore can't let it go, because a mind is incapable of awareness of the moment - beware the trickery of the mind. So, it's the mind (with its reflections and traces and memory tricks), which needs be let go, dropped.
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Separate from mind? Duality.

Nothing to let go, why hold it so tight?
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Separate from mind?
Hold illusion or emptiness so tight?
See Pt 3.
Reflections and shadows exist only in relation to light.
Moonlight is reflected light - moonlight on the surface of a lake is a mirror reflecting mirror.

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vertical line Try this: sit and repeat your name aloud over and over for 2 hours. Or, sit and look at your reflection in a mirror while repeating your name aloud over and over for 2 hours. Yes, it has to be 2 hours.
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Hi, Ms Lynn,

Everything is already in you, whether it is the light or darkness.  Just realize it.

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......... laying the light pulsates and I feel filled...and it is wonderful and... though yes, I wonder how this going into and from might be... realize? do?
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Quote: "Ripple 4:

easy meditation
not easily wakened after sleep
dizziness
crying spells
pleasure / pain along spine
pain in chest
visual aberrations
pressure in forehead
pressure in top of head
spasmodic breathing
feeling of energy
sounds inside head
respiration dangerously low
heat and cold in body
cold body, warm fontanella
feeling of pulsating leaf in pelvis, abdomen, head
sense of emptiness
irritability

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wow are you the one who feeds me?

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vertical line Oh ChonTri you cannot imangine... this so wonderful feeling and...how grateful it is..how I am fed..by who? and the sadness as it, this feeling seems to go...like breathing in the
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vertical line ...once the water evaporate what reflection then...?
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Quote: "Oh ChonTri you cannot imangine... this so wonderful feeling and...how grateful it is..how I am fed..by who? and the sadness as it, this feeling seems to go...like breathing in the"
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ChonTri is not a man of imagination.  You sounded like a person who was starving and fed herself a piece of plain bread.

 

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Wait until when all of the water on the earth evaporated to the last drop, then you will see where the reflection will be. 
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Quote: "Oh ChonTri you cannot imangine... this so wonderful feeling and...how grateful it is..how I am fed..by who? and the sadness as it, this feeling seems to go...like breathing in the"
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ChonTri is not a man of imagination.  You sounded like a person who was starving and fed herself a piece of plain bread.

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......... "you cannot imagine" is an expression of "AH"! like "oh,oh,oh!" but the grandson now asks for bread his mother has in the refrig but is not baked..so  gave him wonton papers...which he loves instead...not hungry (though I tried to eat) was very thirsty instead. what are you talking with?
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Quote: "Oh ChonTri you cannot imangine... this so wonderful feeling and...how grateful it is..how I am fed..by who? and the sadness as it, this feeling seems to go...like breathing in the"
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ChonTri is not a man of imagination.  You sounded like a person who was starving and fed herself a piece of plain bread.

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Nothing else.
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vertical line The lake reflects things as they are. When the moon shines, it reflects that. When the moon is gone, the lake does not cling to the image of the moon.
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Quote: "The lake reflects things as they are. When the moon shines, it reflects that. When the moon is gone, the lake does not cling to the image of the moon."
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The lake must be absolutely calm in order to reflect things as they are. The more agitated the lake, the more distorted the reflections will be.

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Inner
Being outer sky stars
Birth, and orbits die clouds
As forms, and then
They cry weather storms;
Who windy dry which I spy
In out my eye, 'tis not me
It isn't I, no not one thing
To blemish dye this perfect
Sky
Symmetry

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Quote: "The lake reflects things as they are. When the moon shines, it reflects that. When the moon is gone, the lake does not cling to the image of the moon."
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The lake must be absolutely calm in order to reflect things as they are. The more agitated the lake, the more distorted the reflections will be.

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It is exactly when your mind converts pure awareness into concepts like moon, lake and reflection that you introduce distortion into your experience

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Quote: "The lake reflects things as they are. When the moon shines, it reflects that. When the moon is gone, the lake does not cling to the image of the moon."
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The lake must be absolutely calm in order to reflect things as they are. The more agitated the lake, the more distorted the reflections will be.

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It is exactly when your mind converts pure awareness into concepts like moon, lake and reflection that you introduce distortion into your experience

"Exactly. We think of reality in terms of concepts, but then our concepts become a barrier to touching reality directly.       The river is not bothered by the shadow. It neither rejects it, nor clings to it.
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Mind-touching reality is another idea. Awareness is not an idea. Mind is stupid; no-mind is intelligent. Mind is smoke; no-mind is fire. Mind is time; no-mind is reality. Becoming is ignorant; being is enlightened.
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the moons reflection does not disturb the water..  this won'tI

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Quote: "The dentist says, "I'm sorry miss but I am going to have to extract all your wisdom teeth." "Oh no!" she exclaims, "I'd rather have a baby!" "Well", says the dentist, "Make up your mind so I can adjust the chair."

Mind-touching reality is another idea. Awareness is not an idea. Mind is stupid; no-mind is intelligent. Mind is smoke; no-mind is fire. Mind is time; no-mind is reality. Becoming is ignorant; being is enlightened.
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Ideas are necessary for our day to day lives. Awareness is the experience of pure existence. More ideas. Words and ideas can help us to approach reality, but they are not the reality itself. How does the saying go? The Dao that can be spoken of is not the true Dao....

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vertical line Well I'm not sorry for the limitations of the writtenly wordy words and soundies. But, awareness is, well, y'know, awareneess. No approaches, no towards, no leavings, no going back tos, no maybes, maybe nots. Well, maybe being still and not slip sliding away, and glimpses in the moments of truth, maybe not. And knowledge is a revolution - it can help and it can hinder. Because existence is neither pure nor impure, there's not a thing hidden in an open hand.....ha ha ha Bless ya!
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......... All existence can be called pure existence, for lack of a better term. It is our words and concepts that dilute, or form a barrier to, our touching pure experience. "No dependence on words and scriptures, direct pointing at the mind..."
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he he !!

Would love to help with problem, but you do not exist.

Would love to help with problem, but I do not exist.

No problem.  It too does not exist.

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he he !!

Would love to help with problem, but you do not exist.

Would love to help with problem, but I do not exist.

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he he !!

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