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  Posted on Aug.13.2009 @ 07:45PM EDT by chontri
The way toward liberation is to train yourself to live in the present
without wanting to become anything. Give up becoming this or that,
live without cravings, and experience... continue...

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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: BONDAGE IS LIBERATION
vertical line Posted on Dec.16.2007 @ 11:06AM EDT by kelvintan
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Dec.16.2007
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Dec.16.2007
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Quote: "White is black? "
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Colour blind.

With Metta

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Dec.16.2007
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Dec.16.2007
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that's better, or worse
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Dec.16.2007
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Quote: "damn!

that's better, or worse
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Colour Blind is not blind, just don't colour our judgement

With One's Own Detachment, Do See Mind Attachment Now

As it is better, or worse.

With Metta

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Reply from El_Cid
Dec.17.2007
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vertical line 'Conventionally' they refer to opposites.

Ultimately, neither has inherent existence.

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Reply from ______
Dec.17.2007
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vertical line Opposite ends of the mind. To want liberation from desires is to be in bondage. Enslaved in the service of nature, there is neither bondage nor liberation.
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Dec.17.2007
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Even Lust _ Controls Individuals' Desires

With Metta

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Reply from El_Cid
Dec.17.2007
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vertical line Quote: "Opposite ends of the mind. To want liberation from desires is to be in bondage. Enslaved in the service of nature, there is neither bondage nor liberation. "
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Your mind has two ends?

To desire anything, even liberation, is to lose sight of the path.

Do you see yourself separate from nature?
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Dec.17.2007
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Even Lust _ Controls Individuals' Desires


With Metta

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Isn't lust just the desire for something, based on a misperception, that has no inherent existence?

A fantasy created by an "I" that can't be found.

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Dec.17.2007
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Opposite ends of the mind. To want liberation from desires is to be in bondage. Enslaved in the service of nature, there is neither bondage nor liberation. "
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Your mind has two ends?

To desire anything, even liberation, is to lose sight of the path.

Do you see yourself separate from nature?
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You keep asking the same question[s]. It's your mind that creates the opposites, so yeah, mind moves from one to the other [ends] - this is how you come to experience time, for example. Both are illusory [mind and time]. There is only Christ consciousness / Buddha nature but this isn't an experience the mind can understand.
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Dec.17.2007
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vertical line It's like this "Bondage is Liberation" thing - it can mean anything depending on how the mind looks at it because understanding happens through the interpreting mind but the mind gets mixed up and confused trying to be clever. It's the mind that wants to attain, to succeed - it looks for reflections and impressions of its importance in the eyes of the other because it thinks separate.
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Quote: "Speak up,                                                      '                                                            I can't see you.
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printing photo, making new look old..black and white..scratches..

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Dec.17.2007
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vertical line Quote: "It's like this "Bondage is Liberation" thing - it can mean anything depending on how the mind looks at it because understanding happens through the interpreting mind but the mind gets mixed up and confused trying to be clever. It's the mind that wants to attain, to succeed - it looks for reflections and impressions of its importance in the eyes of the other because it thinks separate. "
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To say they're the same is to deny conventional reality.

To believe oneself separate from mind is to deny ultimate truth.
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Dec.18.2007
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Even Lust _ Controls Individuals' Desires


With Metta

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Isn't lust just the desire for something, based on a misperception, that has no inherent existence?

A fantasy created by an "I" that can't be found.

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Isn't lust just the desire for something, based on a misperception, that has no inherent existence?

A fantasy created by an "I" that can't be found.

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Enlightenment, Liberation_ Ceases "I" Delusion


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Dec.18.2007
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Dec.18.2007
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "It's like this "Bondage is Liberation" thing - it can mean anything depending on how the mind looks at it because understanding happens through the interpreting mind but the mind gets mixed up and confused trying to be clever. It's the mind that wants to attain, to succeed - it looks for reflections and impressions of its importance in the eyes of the other because it thinks separate. "
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To say they're the same is to deny conventional reality.

To believe oneself separate from mind is to deny ultimate truth.
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Who would deny such a thing as convention? I don't worry about convention. Convention, social, society - no freedom there. And who would believe such a thing as denial? Cheers, you must be functioning on a different level.
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Dec.18.2007
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vertical line Here's one: renounce this and it'll follow you around for all time. And, enslave ego in service of master / buddha nature / christ consciousness (get the idea?) and hey presto: liberation from er um, ego.
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Dec.18.2007
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Dec.18.2007
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Dec.18.2007
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Quote: "Did you find somebody to help you find your lost posts?"
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No ,My Brother

Really U're Someone, Thank-u In Concerning

my lost posts. Can live without it.

Have A Blessed Day

With Metta

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Dec.18.2007
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vertical line Quote: "Here's one: renounce this and it'll follow you around for all time. And, enslave ego in service of master / buddha nature / christ consciousness (get the idea?) and hey presto: liberation from er um, ego. "
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Renounce? Avoid nothing, attach to nothing. Not even liberation.

Ego? Just a fantasy of an "I" that can't be found.

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Reply from kelvintan
Dec.18.2007
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Who Am I

 

 

Keep on asking yourself, Who am I is important

 

Everyday you wake up asking this big question

 

Live moment to moment, finding out Who am I

 

Very soon your mind is clear, if you stop thinking

 

I don’t know become clear, then your mind is clear

 

Now all the names and forms are made by thinking

 

 

The time I was conceived, I didn’t know Who am I

 

After being born, I don’t know who I was in the past

 

Now, I am learning to find out who I am in the present

 

 

 

See the truth, form as form and emptiness as emptiness

 

And so day by day, I realize the true meaning of Life

 

You know Why, What, Where, When and Who am I   

 

 

 

Creating no more delusions and attachments to Life

 

How one can save self and others from their sufferings

 

If we care enough to look closely at what is happening

 

Out of ignorance, the cause of all delusions and sufferings

 

Now, no more form is emptiness and emptiness is form

 

Grasping when totally cut off then I will know Who am I

Look closely at highlighted words from the top to the bottom.

With Metta

Just sharing my thoughts

 

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Dec.19.2007
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appearing as if plain-simple may not be plain-simple

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De wetter take a crappy out.

Dat wether, or not, be out-crapp-ed.

Duh woo, bah hoo wah?
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Quote: "er what are you trying to say? Plain and simple."
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appearing as if plain-simple may not be plain-simple

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Knock yourself out.
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bondage is liberation.

the liberated mind binds its own hands from doing wrong.

the liberated mind is a free mind. liberation means the ability to look in any direction. to NOT be stuck at one particular spot. to not have a ISM.

a liberated mind IS a free mind. it means just what it means. nothing more. nothing less.

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Dec.20.2007
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vertical line This is soo exciting!:) Just me still pondering, or has anyone found out who kelvintan is??
Btw, glad no one have started to try an be funny with such important and liberating issues as bondage and hogtied and such! Keep up the good work! Gotta run, have a bamboo stick to dodge!

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Dec.20.2007
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Quote: "Who am I kidding...

SUCKSSUCKSSUCKSSUCKSSUCKS!!!

Not easy to be funny. Mood sucks, xmas sucks. Have little time celebrating. Running on empty.My xmas wish is to be let alone from family, salesmen, government, the lot. Just me alone, watching some film, going over papers, getting work done, settling my finances.

Not having to put myself deeper into micery by buying crap I cant afford. And then putting up a fake smile reciving crap I absolutly do not want.

Yeah, I suck. Sorry. I am still considered asshole and selfish for not having time nor energy celebreating my birthday :/

Fuck this time of year, I don`t need it, not now. So a merry fucking xmas too you too! ^=(
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Struggle Not In Blaming Bad Life. Everyone's Responsible

for making it better.

Have a wonderful Christmas!

With Metta

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Dec.20.2007
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Dear Bro. Rustic

Response-able U Selflessly Taught In Cookie deletion.

It Works.

Have A Blessed Day

With Metta

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Who Am I

Keep on asking yourself, Who am I is important

Everyday you wake up asking this big question

Live moment to moment, finding out Who am I

Very soon your mind is clear, if you stop thinking

I don’t know become clear, then your mind is clear

Now all the names and forms are made by thinking

The time I was conceived, I didn’t know Who am I

After being born, I don’t know who I was in the past

Now, I am learning to find out who I am in the present

See the truth, form as form and emptiness as emptiness

And so day by day, I realize the true meaning of Life

You know Why, What, Where, When and Who am I   

Creating no more delusions and attachments to Life

How one can save self and others from their sufferings

If we care enough to look closely at what is happening

Out of ignorance, the cause of all delusions and sufferings

Now, no more form is emptiness and emptiness is form

Grasping when totally cut off then I will know Who am I

Look closely at highlighted words from the top to the bottom.

With Metta

Just sharing my thoughts

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oh! so wonderful... the question of who it is when spoken to..sometime I cannot know you and sometime not me and he spoke of bringing water to the top of the mountain and making tea..pointing out side the store saying "there are no mountains here!" and continuing a conversation thought left behind... and when I wrote of this ...  the store name I misspelled as "chiong"s" instead of "chong's".... I really don't know what to make of it....beautiful

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Quote: "Tea? "
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tea

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Who Am I

Keep on asking yourself, Who am I is important

Everyday you wake up asking this big question

Live moment to moment, finding out Who am I

Very soon your mind is clear, if you stop thinking

I don’t know become clear, then your mind is clear

Now all the names and forms are made by thinking

The time I was conceived, I didn’t know Who am I

After being born, I don’t know who I was in the past

Now, I am learning to find out who I am in the present

See the truth, form as form and emptiness as emptiness

And so day by day, I realize the true meaning of Life

You know Why, What, Where, When and Who am I   

Creating no more delusions and attachments to Life

How one can save self and others from their sufferings

If we care enough to look closely at what is happening

Out of ignorance, the cause of all delusions and sufferings

Now, no more form is emptiness and emptiness is form

Grasping when totally cut off then I will know Who am I

Look closely at highlighted words from the top to the bottom.

With Metta

Just sharing my thoughts

"
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oh! so wonderful... the question of who it is when spoken to..sometime I cannot know you and sometime not me and he spoke of bringing water to the top of the mountain and making tea..pointing out side the store saying "there are no mountains here!" and continuing a conversation thought left behind... and when I wrote of this ...  the store name I misspelled as "chiong"s" instead of "chong's".... I really don't know what to make of it....beautiful

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.........really, very good : )
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Dec.20.2007
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bondage is liberation.


the liberated mind binds its own hands from doing wrong.


the liberated mind is a free mind. liberation means the ability to look in any direction. to NOT be stuck at one particular spot. to not have a ISM.


a liberated mind IS a free mind. it means just what it means. nothing more. nothing less.

"
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No, it's not. Both are merely concepts, dependent-arisings, products of mind. A liberated mind is its true nature, no need to 'Bind' anything.

To paraphrase Nagajuna:

Where there is Long, there has to be short.
They do not exist through their own nature.


One gives rise to the other.

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Dec.20.2007
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To paraphrase Jesus, the kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed sowed in the field - it isn't here, it isn't there. Choose one, serve two.

To paraphrase the Upanishad, as far as awareness extends, so far extends heaven where there is no fear, no hunger or thirst and beyond all grief.

To paraphrase Tagore, nirvana is not absorption but immersion.

And remember: a nod's as good as a wink in the kingdom of the blind.

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To paraphrase Jesus, the kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed sowed in the field - it isn't here, it isn't there. Choose one, serve two.

To paraphrase the Upanishad, as far as awareness extends, so far extends heaven where there is no fear, no hunger or thirst and beyond all grief.

To paraphrase Tagore, nirvana is not absorption but immersion.

And remember: a nod's as good as a wink in the kingdom of the blind.

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Wise men.

Blind to what?

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bondage is liberation.


the liberated mind binds its own hands from doing wrong.


the liberated mind is a free mind. liberation means the ability to look in any direction. to NOT be stuck at one particular spot. to not have a ISM.


a liberated mind IS a free mind. it means just what it means. nothing more. nothing less.

"
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No, it's not. Both are merely concepts, dependent-arisings, products of mind. A liberated mind is its true nature, no need to 'Bind' anything.

To paraphrase Nagajuna:

Where there is Long, there has to be short.
They do not exist through their own nature.


One gives rise to the other.

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No, it's not. Both are merely concepts, dependent-arisings, products of mind. A liberated mind is its true nature, no need to 'Bind' anything.

To paraphrase Nagajuna:

Where there is Long, there has to be short.
They do not exist through their own nature.


One gives rise to the other.

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actually i was being nice. bondage isnt liberation.

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Do you still believe I'm asking you questions?

Our perceptions are exactly that, our perceptions. What we don't like in others, we like least in ourselves. Reflection. It helps us know what we still need to work on.

Perhaps however, if we're open and mindful enough, these perceptions can also help us learn as much, if not more, about ourselves, rather than of the objects of their supposed focus.

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Dec.20.2007
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Hi All,

Got this dharma brother who travel round the world to meet fellow practioners, meet monks and gurus.Now in Hongkong. One day, he came to see one master who told him to go to India and meditate under the Bodhi Tree. He came back and tell me that he is an enligtened being. He is free as a bird and I cannot be like him. There is no right and no wrong and his favourite phrase was the is no good day and no bad day. As I am not him, he is not Me. And this is what I gave him before leaving Singapore, claiming he understood the Heart Sutra.

Heart sutra, a great wondrous mantra you chant without grasping?

 

Each and everyone of us has their karmic destiny in life to fulfill

 

No point thinking of attainment when there isn’t any realization

 

Give-up no good and no bad day, have no attachment to them all

 

 

 

All self-identity is an illusion, to know oneself, is to know not

 

I, there is no me and there is no you, free from erroneous thinking

 

Kill these six faculties of eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body and mind

 

 

 

Space that is empty inside the bowl is useful than having a full bowl

 

Only live what you have and you must also live what you don’t have

 

Open your mind and you find nature, a great teacher of the dharma

 

Non attachment to existence, no wisdom, emptiness and attainment

With Metta To All

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Dec.21.2007
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Quote: "Who am I kidding...

SUCKSSUCKSSUCKSSUCKSSUCKS!!!

Not easy to be funny. Mood sucks, xmas sucks. Have little time celebrating. Running on empty.My xmas wish is to be let alone from family, salesmen, government, the lot. Just me alone, watching some film, going over papers, getting work done, settling my finances.

Not having to put myself deeper into micery by buying crap I cant afford. And then putting up a fake smile reciving crap I absolutly do not want.

Yeah, I suck. Sorry. I am still considered asshole and selfish for not having time nor energy celebreating my birthday :/

Fuck this time of year, I don`t need it, not now. So a merry fucking xmas too you too! ^=(
"
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Struggle Not In Blaming Bad Life. Everyone's Responsible

for making it better.

Have a wonderful Christmas!

With Metta

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Yeah, they are, the bastards!






:) (thnx)
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Quote: "U probably read it, but still an excellent story for all to read anyway... "
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"Self" Not Important. Better Be Loved. Ends Rivarlry

Trying to let go is Hard. Letting go is Easy.

Peace Be With All

Take Care

With Metta

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vertical line In this corner we have Snibbles!                                                                           In this corner
Weighing in at, well he can't be seen.                                                                     um, nobody
So, that's, light... that's  all.                                                                                                       , yet.












In this corner, is a pot.                                                                                   Over here's, a box
                                                                                                                                               a few
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ok, come out, fighting, or whatever.    
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Reply from Woodsman
Dec.21.2007
11:37PM EDT 
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Reply from ______
Dec.22.2007
07:34AM EDT 
vertical line Ok, so I'm not responsible; I'm a lesser-spotted response-able bastard.
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Reply from Lynnoh
Dec.22.2007
01:25PM EDT 
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Who Am I

Keep on asking yourself, Who am I is important

Everyday you wake up asking this big question

Live moment to moment, finding out Who am I

Very soon your mind is clear, if you stop thinking

I don’t know become clear, then your mind is clear

Now all the names and forms are made by thinking

The time I was conceived, I didn’t know Who am I

After being born, I don’t know who I was in the past

Now, I am learning to find out who I am in the present

See the truth, form as form and emptiness as emptiness

And so day by day, I realize the true meaning of Life

You know Why, What, Where, When and Who am I   

Creating no more delusions and attachments to Life

How one can save self and others from their sufferings

If we care enough to look closely at what is happening

Out of ignorance, the cause of all delusions and sufferings

Now, no more form is emptiness and emptiness is form

Grasping when totally cut off then I will know Who am I

Look closely at highlighted words from the top to the bottom.

With Metta

Just sharing my thoughts

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oh! so wonderful... the question of who it is when spoken to..sometime I cannot know you and sometime not me and he spoke of bringing water to the top of the mountain and making tea..pointing out side the store saying "there are no mountains here!" and continuing a conversation thought left behind... and when I wrote of this ...  the store name I misspelled as "chiong"s" instead of "chong's".... I really don't know what to make of it....beautiful

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Reply from ______
Dec.22.2007
01:27PM EDT 
vertical line Really? C'mon, it's not that good, shirley.
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Reply from kelvintan
Dec.23.2007
01:17AM EDT 
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Quoted:

What are the hallmarks of an illumined man?

 

He knows bliss in the Atman and wants nothing else.


Cravings torment the heart, he renounces cravings.


Not shaken by adversity, not hankering after happiness


Free from fear, free from anger, free from the things of desire.


He is lucky and does not rejoice.


He is unlucky and does not weep.


The tortoise can draw in his legs:


the seer can draw in his senses.


I call him illumined.


The abstinent run away from what they desire


but they carry their desires with them.


When a man enters reality, he leaves his desires behind him.


The wandering winds of the senses cast men’s minds adrift.


When a man cans still the senses, I call him illumined.


The recollected mind is awake in the knowledge of the Atman.


The ignorant are awake in their sense life which they think is daylight.


To the seer it is darkness.

 

Sharing With Metta to all

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Reply from ______
Dec.23.2007
07:03AM EDT 
vertical line tsk, who starts these rumours and from where, that's what I'd like to know.
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