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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: BIG DOUGHNUT THEORY
vertical line Posted on Dec.26.2007 @ 05:07AM EDT by asheera

The Universe could be likened to a big doughnut.

In the middle we may find 'nothingness', surrounded by the matrix of 'isness'.

But if the middle is 'nothing' how could it support 'isness'?

That's because there may be a big difference between 'nothing' and 'nothingness'.  That which can be anything is nothing in particular, but 'nothing' is only one possibility.

When you have let it all go, and there is nothing left, nothing left but the doughnut hole, you will know who you really are, that 'nothingness';  and you will probably be surprised to find that you are not who you thought you were, at all, but you are something, even when nothing, even though indefinable, inexpressible....


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Dec.26.2007
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vertical line why do you have this theory?
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Dec.26.2007
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the universe is the body

round has roundnessness

big has bignessness

wide has widenessness

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Dec.26.2007
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vertical line U are the  NiVERSE
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Dec.26.2007
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Dec.26.2007
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Dec.26.2007
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Reply from chontri
Dec.26.2007
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Can your doughnut be eaten?

If it can be, it's useful.

If it can't be, it's helpless.

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Dec.27.2007
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vertical line Attention attention: You have just been eaten, I repeat, You have just been eaten. Eeuurgh....You don't taste too good, I repeat, You don't taste too good.
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Dec.27.2007
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vertical line oh no... do we become more inside each other...or ? just slightly ahead?
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Dec.27.2007
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Can your doughnut be eaten?

If it can be, it's useful.

If it can't be, it's helpless.

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hahaha.

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Dec.27.2007
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im the cream filling in the middle of the donut. YAHOO!!!

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Jan.02.2008
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im the cream filling in the middle of the donut. YAHOO!!!

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the creamness of the fillness of the middleness of the donutness.."whew!"

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im the cream filling in the middle of the donut. YAHOO!!!

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the creamness of the fillness of the middleness of the donutness.."whew!"

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haha

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Jan.03.2008
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vertical line Doughnuts .........somebody say doughnuts........Hi guys ! 
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Jan.04.2008
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hehehehe

(((ben)))

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Jan.04.2008
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vertical line just orded a djembe drum :)
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vertical line Quote: "just orded a djembe drum :)"
.........Doom tec doom doom tek . doom tec a tec a doom tec . : ) Pure energy you become !
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Quote: "Quote: "just orded a djembe drum :)"
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vertical line You become pure energy? When you're already doughnuts? It's ok, I don't want to know how you think that works.
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vertical line using speakers.bbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmm
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Quote: "You become pure energy? When you're already doughnuts? It's ok, I don't want to know how you think that works. "
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is ok rustic...it doesn't mean anything

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vertical line It means everything, so it's not ok. And I only ride the sound beat.
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Quote: "It means everything, so it's not ok. And I only ride the sound beat."
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lehish not a problem the words fah posted, rustic

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Jan.07.2008
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vertical line So? What have my words to do with your problems and lack of same?
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vertical line Many years ago, when I was in Pompano, I ate doughnuts. To this day, if I eat a doughnut I always remember Pompano.
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vertical line Quote: "Many years ago, when I was in Pompano, I ate doughnuts. To this day, if I eat a doughnut I always remember Pompano. "
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vertical line You had to be there.
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vertical line "Oh Pompano! Thy memories haunt me so! Cruel mind! Can`t this man get peace?! Why do thy taunt me like that, fare Ophelia.
And thus, I lay this donut to rest. As my greatest of joys also is my greatest of sorrows. Fare thy well.."

"Clap - clap - clap - clap - clap - clap - clap"

"bowing"

"Thank you, thank you, too much. Too much I say :)"
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Quote: "So? What have my words to do with your problems and lack of same?"
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that not lehish problem either

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vertical line Your, [sorry - ahem], lehish problime.

Bongo Bingo
No Understand
The Lingo
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vertical line On the way to Jacksonville, we wrote a song entitled, "Doughnuts in Pompano". Our chauffeurs [police officers] tapped their fingers to the beat. Later they asked for our autographs, which we were happy to provide for a breakfast. Then they choppered us out of there.
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Quote: "Your, [sorry - ahem], lehish problime.

Bongo Bingo
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those words don't make it so

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vertical line So you keep saying, er um I think, so anyway, don't worry about it. Ah, dancing - that antidote to the sickness of seriousness and the desire to be understood or misunderstood. And the words, ah yeah they're like the dancing shoes - ballet, tap, waltzing and jiving jitterbugs, that's all. They need to be looked after and cared for.
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Quote: "Ah, dancing - that antidote to the sickness of seriousness and the desire to be understood or misunderstood. And the words, ah yeah they're like the dancing shoes - ballet, tap, waltzing and jiving jitterbugs, that's all. They need to be looked after and cared for. "
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what "needs to be looked after and cared for"?

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vertical line Dunk your doughnut.
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vertical line we all have a story and the fishing caption was right... she caught a sailfish... though my dognut story has little for excitement..as I'm slowly going into the "hole" of it..I'm motionless and I move.. she called it "donut" which surprised me , as things still do... and "bong. bonggg..tapp. tapp... ..."  and thats the story of this donut, a MRI of my bones
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Quote: "So you keep saying, er um I think, so anyway, don't worry about it. Ah, dancing - that antidote to the sickness of seriousness and the desire to be understood or misunderstood. And the words, ah yeah they're like the dancing shoes - ballet, tap, waltzing and jiving jitterbugs, that's all. They need to be looked after and cared for. "
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there is something like this from Katagiri Roshi and he said... ummm time, space, and person..when these  disapate...there is Dharam..and at that moment Dharma is very well cared for

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Quote: "Dunk your doughnut. "
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Katagiri Roshi, says something like...  um  be the host to time and space... and then jump in!

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