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vertical line Posted on Jan.10.2008 @ 06:41AM EDT by chontri

Is there any order in thought?  

Does thought have its limits?

Is thought dualistic and contradictory?

Can thought be put into an order or to an end?


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their could possibly be order to thought. in other words orderly thinking. or rational.

thoughts have their limits yes.

i would say some thoughts are dualistic and contractictory. not all.

.i wouldnt say end thought. i like to think,

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Jan.10.2008
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vertical line oh yes... I would say that thought is "contradictory"
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Jan.10.2008
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Does thought have its limits?

Is thought dualistic and contradictory?

Can thought be put into an order or to an end?

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Whatever you say, it will always be a thought.

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Jan.10.2008
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Conditioning. Having Only Nice Thoughts. Remain Impartial

A Very Goodnite To All

With Metta

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Jan.10.2008
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Does thought have its limits?

Is thought dualistic and contradictory?

Can thought be put into an order or to an end?

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Whatever you say, it will always be a thought.

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How about when you yourself don't say a word?
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Jan.10.2008
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their could possibly be order to thought. in other words orderly thinking. or rational.

thoughts have their limits yes.

i would say some thoughts are dualistic and contractictory. not all.

.i wouldnt say end thought. i like to think,

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Could you go some more details, such as an example for each?
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Jan.10.2008
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their could possibly be order to thought. in other words orderly thinking. or rational.

thoughts have their limits yes.

i would say some thoughts are dualistic and contractictory. not all.

.i wouldnt say end thought. i like to think,

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Could you go some more details, such as an example for each?
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thoughts have their limits cause they have no power in and of themselves. we must do. we must act.

i dont know what to say about some thoughts being dualistic and contradictory. happy and sad are opposites but yet i see nothing wrong with them. for example happy thoughts.....sad thoughts.

being rational? ya know. logical.

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Jan.10.2008
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their could possibly be order to thought. in other words orderly thinking. or rational.

thoughts have their limits yes.

i would say some thoughts are dualistic and contractictory. not all.

.i wouldnt say end thought. i like to think,

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thoughts have their limits cause they have no power in and of themselves. we must do. we must act.

i dont know what to say about some thoughts being dualistic and contradictory. happy and sad are opposites but yet i see nothing wrong with them. for example happy thoughts.....sad thoughts.

being rational? ya know. logical.

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Something's still left.  You'll get it sometime later.
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their could possibly be order to thought. in other words orderly thinking. or rational.

thoughts have their limits yes.

i would say some thoughts are dualistic and contractictory. not all.

.i wouldnt say end thought. i like to think,

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Could you go some more details, such as an example for each?"
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thoughts have their limits cause they have no power in and of themselves. we must do. we must act.

i dont know what to say about some thoughts being dualistic and contradictory. happy and sad are opposites but yet i see nothing wrong with them. for example happy thoughts.....sad thoughts.

being rational? ya know. logical.

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Something's still left.  You'll get it sometime later."
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Something's still left.  You'll get it sometime later.
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yes being over rational is my downfall.

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Jan.10.2008
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LIKE THE RARE WISE OLD MAN ONCE SAID:

"When you think something, that's it. When you don't think something, that's it, too."

Surely it is chains of cause & effect dependent upon the arising or origins of conditions... thus the rest is history... heheheh~~~

Isn't the memory the seed of any arising thought...?

Thought or thoughts make the world of today yet it is only about less than 10% remain known... so can we do with the rest of 90% unknown? Honestly, I don't know~~~ 

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Life-spans are about beginnings and endings - eureka, I don't have a life-span.
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Thoughts are arranged in such a way that they can be plotted thusly:

 

A scatter diagram is a type of display that contains one or more scatterplots each of which use Cartesian coordinates to display values for two variables for a set of data. The data is displayed as a collection of points, each having the value of one variable determining the position on the horizontal axis and the value of the other variable determining the position on the vertical axis.

A scatterplot only specifies dependent or independent variables when a variable exists that is under the control of the experimenter. If a parameter exists that is systematically incremented and/or decremented by the experimenter, it is called the control parameter or independent variable and is customarily plotted along the horizontal axis. The measured or dependent variable is customarily plotted along the vertical axis. If no dependent variable exists, either type of variable can be plotted on either axis and a scatterplot will illustrate only the degree of correlation (not causation) between two variables.

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Jan.11.2008
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Is there any order in thought?  

Does thought have its limits?

Is thought dualistic and contradictory?

Can thought be put into an order or to an end?

Whatever you say, it will always be a thought.

Whatever you say, it will always be a thought.

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How about when you yourself don't say a word?"
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How about when you yourself don't say a word?
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Then it can also be a thought, but not always

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vertical line It's a common mistake - confusing intelligence with intellect.
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vertical line is this confusion due to the lack of intelligence or intellect?
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Jan.11.2008
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Quote: "It's a common mistake - confusing intelligence with intellect. "
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hmm 11:11 on the 11

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Quote: "is this confusion due to the lack of intelligence or intellect?"
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 and a flip..

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Jan.11.2008
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vertical line Intellect is searching outside for something, because it can't see by the light inside.
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Jan.11.2008
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vertical line Intellect is assumed, created, learned, borrowed, added to.
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Thoughts are arranged in such a way that they can be plotted thusly:

A scatter diagram is a type of display that contains one or more scatterplots each of which use Cartesian coordinates to display values for two variables for a set of data. The data is displayed as a collection of points, each having the value of one variable determining the position on the horizontal axis and the value of the other variable determining the position on the vertical axis.

A scatterplot only specifies dependent or independent variables when a variable exists that is under the control of the experimenter. If a parameter exists that is systematically incremented and/or decremented by the experimenter, it is called the control parameter or independent variable and is customarily plotted along the horizontal axis. The measured or dependent variable is customarily plotted along the vertical axis. If no dependent variable exists, either type of variable can be plotted on either axis and a scatterplot will illustrate only the degree of correlation (not causation) between two variables.

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very interesting

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Jan.11.2008
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What about your life-span? 
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... I don't have a life-span.
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You think so and say so, then it's so to you.
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Jan.11.2008
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How about when you yourself don't say a word?"
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Then it can also be a thought, but not always

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So, when it's not a thought (because "but not always"), then what is it?

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So, when it's not a thought (because "but not always"), then what is it?

 

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Jan.12.2008
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Whatever you say, it will always be a thought. "
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How about when you yourself don't say a word?"
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Then it can also be a thought, but not always"
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So, when it's not a thought (because "but not always"), then what is it? "
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So, when it's not a thought (because "but not always"), then what is it?
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There is no way I could tell you that
and there is no need either

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Jan.12.2008
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How about when you yourself don't say a word?"
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Then it can also be a thought, but not always"
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So, when it's not a thought (because "but not always"), then what is it? "
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So, when it's not a thought (because "but not always"), then what is it?
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There is no way I could tell you that
and there is no need either

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You already did alot.  Someone else needed and they got it, too
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their could possibly be order to thought. in other words orderly thinking. or rational.

thoughts have their limits yes.

i would say some thoughts are dualistic and contractictory. not all.

.i wouldnt say end thought. i like to think,

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Could you go some more details, such as an example for each?"
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thoughts have their limits cause they have no power in and of themselves. we must do. we must act.

i dont know what to say about some thoughts being dualistic and contradictory. happy and sad are opposites but yet i see nothing wrong with them. for example happy thoughts.....sad thoughts.

being rational? ya know. logical.

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Something's still left.  You'll get it sometime later."
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Something's still left.  You'll get it sometime later.
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yes being over rational is my downfall.

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their could possibly be order to thought. in other words orderly thinking. or rational.

thoughts have their limits yes.

i would say some thoughts are dualistic and contractictory. not all.

.i wouldnt say end thought. i like to think,

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Could you go some more details, such as an example for each?"
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"                                                                                                                                         Woo hoo!

thoughts have their limits cause they have no power in and of themselves. we must do. we must act.

i dont know what to say about some thoughts being dualistic and contradictory. happy and sad are opposites but yet i see nothing wrong with them. for example happy thoughts.....sad thoughts.

being rational? ya know. logical.

"
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Something's still left.  You'll get it sometime later."
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Something's still left.  You'll get it sometime later.
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yes being over rational is my downfall.

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.........I tend to be overly rational myself. There's nothing wrong with thinking in itself otherwise Right Thinking wouldn't be one of the steps on the Noble Eightfold Path. But there's a greater truth that lies outside of rational thought. People also tend to use rational thought to convince themselves of what they want to believe regardless of whether its true or not. 
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their could possibly be order to thought. in other words orderly thinking. or rational.

thoughts have their limits yes.

i would say some thoughts are dualistic and contractictory. not all.

.i wouldnt say end thought. i like to think,

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Could you go some more details, such as an example for each?"
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"                                                                                                                                         Woo hoo!

thoughts have their limits cause they have no power in and of themselves. we must do. we must act.

i dont know what to say about some thoughts being dualistic and contradictory. happy and sad are opposites but yet i see nothing wrong with them. for example happy thoughts.....sad thoughts.

being rational? ya know. logical.

"
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Something's still left.  You'll get it sometime later."
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Something's still left.  You'll get it sometime later.
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yes being over rational is my downfall.

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.........I tend to be overly rational myself. There's nothing wrong with thinking in itself otherwise Right Thinking wouldn't be one of the steps on the Noble Eightfold Path. But there's a greater truth that lies outside of rational thought. People also tend to use rational thought to convince themselves of what they want to believe regardless of whether its true or not. "
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.........I tend to be overly rational myself. There's nothing wrong with thinking in itself otherwise Right Thinking wouldn't be one of the steps on the Noble Eightfold Path. But there's a greater truth that lies outside of rational thought. People also tend to use rational thought to convince themselves of what they want to believe regardless of whether its true or not. 
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well ! seems you knew how to fill that space

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their could possibly be order to thought. in other words orderly thinking. or rational.

thoughts have their limits yes.

i would say some thoughts are dualistic and contractictory. not all.

.i wouldnt say end thought. i like to think,

"
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Could you go some more details, such as an example for each?"
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"                                                                                                                                         Woo hoo!

thoughts have their limits cause they have no power in and of themselves. we must do. we must act.

i dont know what to say about some thoughts being dualistic and contradictory. happy and sad are opposites but yet i see nothing wrong with them. for example happy thoughts.....sad thoughts.

being rational? ya know. logical.

"
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Something's still left.  You'll get it sometime later."
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Something's still left.  You'll get it sometime later.
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yes being over rational is my downfall.

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.........I tend to be overly rational myself. There's nothing wrong with thinking in itself otherwise Right Thinking wouldn't be one of the steps on the Noble Eightfold Path. But there's a greater truth that lies outside of rational thought. People also tend to use rational thought to convince themselves of what they want to believe regardless of whether its true or not. 
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Quote: "why do I have this overwhelming desire to say that yipee!"
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Weee!

she did it
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The joy of being on Zen guid. Knowing one other.

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Jan.14.2008
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Your thoughts are not your thoughts, so why bother ???

Just look at the blue sky behind the clouds; that's Buddhanature...

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Your thoughts are not your thoughts, so why bother ???

Just look at the blue sky behind the clouds; that's Buddhanature...

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Just ignore the clouds and only look at the blue sky or the Buddhanature (as you termed it) as long as you'd like, untill dark clouds come and cover it all days and nights long.  Then rains and floods and waters breakdowns everything and drown people....Right?
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