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  Posted on Sep.11.2009 @ 10:04PM EDT by chontri
Once the brahmin Janussoni approached the Buddha... and spoke to him thus:

"It is said, Master Gotama, 'Nibbana is directly visible.' In what way, Master
Gotama, is Nibbana... continue...

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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: OBJECT, MIND AND IDEA
vertical line Posted on Jan.15.2008 @ 07:03PM EDT by chontri
When an object does not intend to be in the field of perception of the mind;
and the mind does not intend to come to the object to perceive it.
But the object is perceived by the mind through the senses,
And an image or an impression would be left on the mind,
This is called "idea" or the seed of thought.

The "idea", therefore, did not come into being by itself as an entity.
It did not come from the object itself
It did not come from the the mind itself, either.
If there were no object, then there would be no idea left on the mind.
If there were no mind, then there would be no idea of the object, either.

If one holds on some idea and takes it as some meaning of the object, tightly and long,
then the meaning of it wouldn't be established by far.

Why would one hold on ideas too tight and too long?


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Jan.15.2008
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Jan.15.2008
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vertical line Mind / No-Mind are concepts. When consciousness isn't going out to an object, there are no either / ors; their is neither simple nor complex; there is only awareness, which you can call Buddha nature, Christ consciousness, no-mind, et al.
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vertical line this "buddha nature" is with us anyways.
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Jan.15.2008
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vertical line "this buddha nature" is who you are.
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Jan.15.2008
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vertical line This is it.
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vertical line Quote: "no mind?"
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The title of this topic could be changed to: "Idea" or the Seed of Thought .
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Jan.15.2008
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Why would one hold on ideas too tight and too long?

cause their too scared to have a mind that is free. an attention that isnt on a object.

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Quote: "This is it."
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i cant see anything else.

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Why would one hold on ideas too tight and too long?

most humans fear alone



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Why would one hold on ideas too tight and too long?

cause their too scared to have a mind that is free. an attention that isnt on a object.

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gassho

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Jan.16.2008
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vertical line Gass-ho!
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ssssssss-hO  bOymOnk!

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Jan.16.2008
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vertical line Why the fear? Why the gas?
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Jan.16.2008
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vertical line hmmm....what is uncle lehish afraid of? More gas? Face your gas, uncle lehish - that way courage lies. By the way, is shayne Japanese?
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Quote: "hmmm....what is uncle lehish afraid of? More gas? Face your gas, uncle lehish - that way courage lies. By the way, is shayne Japanese?"
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gassho

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Quote: "Why the fear? Why the gas?"
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you asked ? ..did you hear the answer

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Jan.16.2008
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To talk about mind, object, senses, ideas and thoughts
is all at the level of separation - not much better than any other theory.

Perceiving us as mind with "Buddha nature" in the background
clouded by thoughts in the foreground may seem a sensible basis
of Buddhism, but it is not.

It should be enough to say just Buddha nature
or still better - give no name

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Jan.16.2008
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vertical line Better schmetter......so, what do you want to talk about?
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Jan.16.2008
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Oh, anything. I am just pointing out that the so called Buddha -Nature can't be explained with any combination of mind object interaction. The wisdom is not in the doctrine.

Talking is nice, thanks for talking.

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Jan.16.2008
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vertical line So it is impossible to discuss the way we and cosmos intrinsically are designed and how it makes us feel?.. :
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Jan.16.2008
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To talk about mind, object, senses, ideas and thoughts
is all at the level of separation - not much better than any other theory.

Perceiving us as mind with "Buddha nature" in the background
clouded by thoughts in the foreground may seem a sensible basis
of Buddhism, but it is not.

It should be enough to say just Buddha nature
or still better - give no name

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You butt yourself too hard into the empty space, Mr ----0. 
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Jan.16.2008
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Oh, anything. I am just pointing out that the so called Buddha -Nature can't be explained with any combination of mind object interaction. The wisdom is not in the doctrine.

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Again, you butt yourself too hard into the empty space, Mr ----0.
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vertical line The wisdom is in the understanding of the 8 fold path 4 noble turth. Of what the Buddha stood for.
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Jan.20.2008
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Oh, anything. I am just pointing out that the so called Buddha -Nature can't be explained with any combination of mind object interaction. The wisdom is not in the doctrine.

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Empty space is a construct of your theoretical understanding.

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Oh, anything. I am just pointing out that the so called Buddha -Nature can't be explained with any combination of mind object interaction. The wisdom is not in the doctrine.

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Empty space is a construct of your theoretical understanding.

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read as if was 'theoretical understanding' ?

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Jan.20.2008
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vertical line yes, a delusion
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vertical line This whole edifice of a thread, with many more besides, and complete with lehish momentos is nothing other than theoretical understanding. Anything else, the intellect shies away from.
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Quote: "yes, a delusion"
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saw delusion and not words being used?

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vertical line I just invented this una momento as a memento of a thread edifice, a whacking illusion. Not bad. Er, not good but not bad, but.
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saw delusion and not words being used?

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words as well

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Quote: " Again, you butt yourself too hard into the empty space, Mr ----0."

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