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Posted on Jan.15.2008 @ 07:03PM EDT by chontri
When an object does not intend to be in the field of perception of the mind;
and the mind does not intend to come to the object to perceive it.
But the object is perceived by the mind through the senses,
And an image or an impression would be left on the mind,
This is called "idea" or the seed of thought.
The "idea", therefore, did not come into being by itself as an entity.
It did not come from the object itself
It did not come from the the mind itself, either.
If there were no object, then there would be no idea left on the mind.
If there were no mind, then there would be no idea of the object, either.
If one holds on some idea and takes it as some meaning of the object, tightly and long,
then the meaning of it wouldn't be established by far.
Why would one hold on ideas too tight and too long?
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Reply from shayne
Jan.15.2008
07:06PM EDT
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no mind? |
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Reply from ______
Jan.15.2008
07:12PM EDT
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Mind / No-Mind are concepts. When consciousness isn't going out to an object, there are no either / ors; their is neither simple nor complex; there is only awareness, which you can call Buddha nature, Christ consciousness, no-mind, et al. |
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Reply from shayne
Jan.15.2008
08:06PM EDT
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this "buddha nature" is with us anyways. |
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Reply from ______
Jan.15.2008
08:15PM EDT
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"this buddha nature" is who you are. |
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Reply from ______
Jan.15.2008
08:17PM EDT
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This is it. |
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Reply from chontri
Jan.15.2008
08:26PM EDT
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Quote: "no mind?"
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The title of this topic could be changed to: "Idea" or the Seed of Thought . |
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Reply from shayne
Jan.15.2008
08:31PM EDT
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Why would one hold on ideas too tight and too long?
cause their too scared to have a mind that is free. an attention that isnt on a object. |
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Reply from shayne
Jan.15.2008
08:32PM EDT
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Quote: "This is it."
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i cant see anything else. |
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Reply from lehish
Jan.15.2008
08:47PM EDT
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Why would one hold on ideas too tight and too long?
most humans fear alone
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Reply from lehish
Jan.15.2008
08:49PM EDT
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Quote: "
Why would one hold on ideas too tight and too long?
cause their too scared to have a mind that is free. an attention that isnt on a object.
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Reply from shayne
Jan.15.2008
09:49PM EDT
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gassho lehish |
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Reply from boymonk
Jan.16.2008
02:32AM EDT
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Gass-ho! |
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Reply from lehish
Jan.16.2008
04:23AM EDT
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ssssssss-hO bOymOnk! |
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Reply from ______
Jan.16.2008
09:12AM EDT
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Why the fear? Why the gas? |
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Reply from ______
Jan.16.2008
09:37AM EDT
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hmmm....what is uncle lehish afraid of? More gas? Face your gas, uncle lehish - that way courage lies. By the way, is shayne Japanese? |
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Reply from lehish
Jan.16.2008
09:51AM EDT
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Quote: "hmmm....what is uncle lehish afraid of? More gas? Face your gas, uncle lehish - that way courage lies. By the way, is shayne Japanese?"
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Reply from Lynnoh
Jan.16.2008
10:22AM EDT
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awareness feels |
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Reply from Lynnoh
Jan.16.2008
10:23AM EDT
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Quote: "Why the fear? Why the gas?"
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you asked ? ..did you hear the answer |
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Reply from ______
Jan.16.2008
12:51PM EDT
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leave a message |
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Reply from -----0
Jan.16.2008
02:21PM EDT
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To talk about mind, object, senses, ideas and thoughts
is all at the level of separation - not much better than any other theory.
Perceiving us as mind with "Buddha nature" in the background
clouded by thoughts in the foreground may seem a sensible basis
of Buddhism, but it is not.
It should be enough to say just Buddha nature
or still better - give no name
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Reply from ______
Jan.16.2008
03:11PM EDT
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Better schmetter......so, what do you want to talk about? |
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Reply from -----0
Jan.16.2008
04:31PM EDT
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Oh, anything. I am just pointing out that the so called Buddha -Nature can't be explained with any combination of mind object interaction. The wisdom is not in the doctrine.
Talking is nice, thanks for talking. |
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Reply from Snibbler
Jan.16.2008
04:55PM EDT
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So it is impossible to discuss the way we and cosmos intrinsically are designed and how it makes us feel?.. : |
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Reply from chontri
Jan.16.2008
06:07PM EDT
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Quote: "
To talk about mind, object, senses, ideas and thoughts
is all at the level of separation - not much better than any other theory.
Perceiving us as mind with "Buddha nature" in the background
clouded by thoughts in the foreground may seem a sensible basis
of Buddhism, but it is not.
It should be enough to say just Buddha nature
or still better - give no name
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You butt yourself too hard into the empty space, Mr ----0. |
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Reply from chontri
Jan.16.2008
06:09PM EDT
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Quote: "
Oh, anything. I am just pointing out that the so called Buddha -Nature can't be explained with any combination of mind object interaction. The wisdom is not in the doctrine. "
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Again, you butt yourself too hard into the empty space, Mr ----0. |
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Jan.16.2008
08:45PM EDT
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The wisdom is in the understanding of the 8 fold path 4 noble turth. Of what the Buddha stood for. |
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Reply from -----0
Jan.20.2008
02:31PM EDT
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Quote: "Quote: "
Oh, anything. I am just pointing out that the so called Buddha -Nature can't be explained with any combination of mind object interaction. The wisdom is not in the doctrine.
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Again, you butt yourself too hard into the empty space, Mr ----0."
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Again, you butt yourself too hard into the empty space, Mr ----0."
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Empty space is a construct of your theoretical understanding. |
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Reply from lehish
Jan.20.2008
02:48PM EDT
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Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "
Oh, anything. I am just pointing out that the so called Buddha -Nature can't be explained with any combination of mind object interaction. The wisdom is not in the doctrine.
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Again, you butt yourself too hard into the empty space, Mr ----0."
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Again, you butt yourself too hard into the empty space, Mr ----0."
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Empty space is a construct of your theoretical understanding.
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read as if was 'theoretical understanding' ? |
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Reply from -----0
Jan.20.2008
03:17PM EDT
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yes, a delusion |
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Reply from ______
Jan.20.2008
04:00PM EDT
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This whole edifice of a thread, with many more besides, and complete with lehish momentos is nothing other than theoretical understanding. Anything else, the intellect shies away from. |
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Reply from lehish
Jan.20.2008
04:02PM EDT
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Quote: "yes, a delusion"
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saw delusion and not words being used? |
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Reply from ______
Jan.20.2008
05:22PM EDT
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I just invented this una momento as a memento of a thread edifice, a whacking illusion. Not bad. Er, not good but not bad, but. |
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Reply from -----0
Jan.21.2008
02:40AM EDT
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Quote: "
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saw delusion and not words being used?
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words as well |
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Reply from lehish
Jan.21.2008
05:04AM EDT
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Quote: " Again, you butt yourself too hard into the empty space, Mr ----0."
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Reply from -----0
Jan.21.2008
05:33AM EDT
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:) |
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