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vertical line Posted on Jan.22.2008 @ 02:18AM EDT by Haydos

hey everyone =]

ive been looking at this site for quite some time now and ive been interested in Zen for quite sometime now since one of my old school teachers was Buddhist and he took time to show us meditation and to follow the eightfold path which i try to do as often as i can

and i was just wondering if you would accept me into your community and teach me more about your way of life =]

thanks in advance


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Jan.22.2008
02:29AM EDT 
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Hi, and welcome. You were already accepted since you got your user-name. There is no community here, only few knuckleheads posting. No teaching here.

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Jan.22.2008
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vertical line you can learn from anything
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Jan.22.2008
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vertical line mainly un-learning here
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Reply from Haydos
Jan.22.2008
02:55AM EDT 
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haha

ah well

we all end up in the same place eventually its just some of us take longer to get there

and i figure i may as well unlearn something instead of sitting around not doing anything and having my mind at a standstill

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Jan.22.2008
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vertical line you better go for a walk
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Jan.22.2008
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vertical line welcome to zenguide haydos
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Reply from boymonk
Jan.22.2008
09:18PM EDT 
vertical line Hey Haydos! Welcome!

Looks like you arived just in time to miss Chontri. :(
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Reply from 9999999
Jan.22.2008
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Jan.22.2008
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Reply from Haydos
Jan.23.2008
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vertical line bit dissapppointing about Chontri...he/she seemed to know what he/she was talking about
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Reply from -----0
Jan.23.2008
11:48AM EDT 
vertical line a loving old man
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Reply from boymonk
Jan.23.2008
12:17PM EDT 
vertical line Wisdom incarnate
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Jan.23.2008
12:33PM EDT 
vertical line his collected words
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Reply from Haydos
Jan.23.2008
11:12PM EDT 
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well.....now that ive got the introduction out of the way...ill try and include my self in disscussions =]

...the ones i understand at least

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Reply from Haydos
Jan.24.2008
01:31AM EDT 
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just wondering..

does anyone know any haiku forums?

ive been looking for one the last few days and its really quite difficult

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Reply from -----0
Jan.24.2008
04:23AM EDT 
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let's see how it works here

world of man--
even the moon
suffers!
-Issa

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Reply from Haydos
Jan.24.2008
04:47AM EDT 
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Pen Alone On Desk

Waiting For Papers Fine Touch

Oh! To Feel The Joy

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Reply from boymonk
Jan.24.2008
01:07PM EDT 
vertical line tea sip sop sip sip,
munchy munchy bagle crunchy,
now time to work! :(
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Jan.24.2008
08:57PM EDT 
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vertical line Sit in Zenen, wash your bolw out, pray to your higher power. Do the 8 fold path, 4 noble turth. Be love by the best  on Zen guid. See all this with the eyes of compassion. I been doing this for a few years an now got a new job. Good luck to you & welcome to how to learn to love are selfs 100 .
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Reply from samuel
Jan.24.2008
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vertical line What higher power, why only four truths, only eight steps?
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Jan.24.2008
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few spelling mistakes there...

but yeah...what higher power lol

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Reply from Snibbler
Jan.25.2008
02:44AM EDT 
vertical line I there Haydos, learn about my way of life?... Hmmm...Sure, just missed a deadline for airing my resent project on the national tv with two hours.
My client off course hate me now and wonder where the hell his finished animation is. I have been working on a routine of 1-3 hours sleep/ 1-3 hour work or something. (Leonardo supposedly ran a similare procedure, but he must have been phcycotic I guess:/) Have not gotten around to open mail for the last two weeks, and my taxes and finances in general is just untangiable chaos for the time being. Important to take breaks when working around the clock so the brain doesn`t mess up. Guess I should have put in some zazzen, but have rather rested and let time saving ideas materialize before
pushing on. My current nightmare ends in just a few hours time, just finishing up some post production, and I have learned to appriciate something as simple as doing nothing:) God I miss a good nights sleep. zzz zzz zzz mmmmmhhhh.. Huh? Oh, and welcome to the forum, fresh meat is always appreciated!;)
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Jan.25.2008
04:10AM EDT 
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how do you wash your bowl, rory?

I use running water

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Jan.25.2008
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Quote: "I there Haydos, learn about my way of life?... Hmmm...Sure, just missed a deadline for airing my resent project on the national tv with two hours.
My client off course hate me now and wonder where the hell his finished animation is. I have been working on a routine of 1-3 hours sleep/ 1-3 hour work or something. (Leonardo supposedly ran a similare procedure, but he must have been phcycotic I guess:/) Have not gotten around to open mail for the last two weeks, and my taxes and finances in general is just untangiable chaos for the time being. Important to take breaks when working around the clock so the brain doesn`t mess up. Guess I should have put in some zazzen, but have rather rested and let time saving ideas materialize before
pushing on. My current nightmare ends in just a few hours time, just finishing up some post production, and I have learned to appriciate something as simple as doing nothing:) God I miss a good nights sleep. zzz zzz zzz mmmmmhhhh.. Huh? Oh, and welcome to the forum, fresh meat is always appreciated!;)
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sooo... animation huh.. 

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Reply from 77 zen ror
Jan.25.2008
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vertical line You do good o, And your funny to. Have a grate day.
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Quote: "I there Haydos, learn about my way of life?... Hmmm...Sure, just missed a deadline for airing my resent project on the national tv with two hours.
My client off course hate me now and wonder where the hell his finished animation is. I have been working on a routine of 1-3 hours sleep/ 1-3 hour work or something. (Leonardo supposedly ran a similare procedure, but he must have been phcycotic I guess:/) Have not gotten around to open mail for the last two weeks, and my taxes and finances in general is just untangiable chaos for the time being. Important to take breaks when working around the clock so the brain doesn`t mess up. Guess I should have put in some zazzen, but have rather rested and let time saving ideas materialize before
pushing on. My current nightmare ends in just a few hours time, just finishing up some post production, and I have learned to appriciate something as simple as doing nothing:) God I miss a good nights sleep. zzz zzz zzz mmmmmhhhh.. Huh? Oh, and welcome to the forum, fresh meat is always appreciated!;)
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sooo... animation huh.. 

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Not good enough for you love? Huh?
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Jan.26.2008
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How do you do,I am Zoz...new here also...so howdy to everyone.I appolagize for not introducing myself properly before to all...as this gentleman did. I am Taoist,and will pass on this wisdom to you witch might pertain to your wishes,and it might not. It's all in the perspective of the listener.

'Without taking a step outdoors
You know the whole world;
Without taking a peep out the window
You know the colour of the sky.

The more you experience,
The less you know.
The sage wanders without knowing,
Sees without looking,
Accomplishes without acting."

The Tao

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Jan.26.2008
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is a sage separate from tao?

nothing is seperate from Tao.

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Correction-I am Taoist,and will pass on this wisdom to you witch might pertain to "Haydos" wishes,and it might not. It's all in the perspective of the listener.

I did'nt mean to insinuate I could pass on any wisdom to everyone,,,it was unintentional,but after seeing that messeges here don't reflect a direct reply to the post clicked on,I thought I had better clear up any missunderstandings that might be generated. Thankyou.  "Z"

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Jan.27.2008
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Correction-I am Taoist,and will pass on this wisdom to you witch might pertain to "Haydos" wishes,and it might not. It's all in the perspective of the listener.

I did'nt mean to insinuate I could pass on any wisdom to everyone,,,it was unintentional,but after seeing that messeges here don't reflect a direct reply to the post clicked on,I thought I had better clear up any missunderstandings that might be generated. Thankyou.  "Z"

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zello hoz!
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is a sage separate from tao?

nothing is seperate from Tao.

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What makes an ordinary person be a non-sage,
once this person is not separate from tao?

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Jan.27.2008
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is a sage separate from tao?

nothing is seperate from Tao.

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is a sage separate from tao?

nothing is seperate from Tao.

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What makes an ordinary person be a non-sage,
once this person is not separate from tao?

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what part of the post, were rsponding,  was it said there was "once this person is not separate" as if ever was,  and  "makes" ?

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Reply from Zoz333
Jan.27.2008
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"is a sage separate from tao"?

nothing is seperate from Tao.= Tao is all,all is Tao.Nothing more nothing less.
What is an "ordinary person"? And would'nt that be be a whole nother discussion...LOL
I think you are getting way off subject matter here,by asking such an abstract question
as "What makes an ordinary person be a non-sage,
once this person is not separate from tao"?
If you need answers beyond the info I was forwarding to Mr.Haydos here,perhaps you should read the Tao,and ask yourself these extremely abstract questions. :)
Thankyou,
Peace and Best reguards to you all

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Jan.27.2008
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Oh. Questions seem very simple to me.
You mentioned the Tao and a sage
and added that nothing is separate from Tao.

I asked about a person who is not a sage,
calling it an ordinary person.
I asked for the difference between such
a person and a sage, since none of them are
separate from Tao.

I would like to hear your own experience.
You don't need to answer.
It doesn't really matter.

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Jan.27.2008
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Oh. Questions seem very simple to me.
You mentioned the Tao and a sage
and added that nothing is separate from Tao.

I asked about a person who is not a sage,
calling it an ordinary person.
I asked for the difference between such
a person and a sage, since none of them are
separate from Tao.

I would like to hear your own experience.
You don't need to answer.
It doesn't really matter.

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what on earth is tao?
tut won urth tis OW!
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Jan.27.2008
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Oh. Questions seem very simple to me.
You mentioned the Tao and a sage
and added that nothing is separate from Tao.

I asked about a person who is not a sage,
calling it an ordinary person.
I asked for the difference between such
a person and a sage, since none of them are
separate from Tao.

I would like to hear your own experience.
You don't need to answer.
It doesn't really matter.

Yes,most questions are simple enough,from most people.
I sense you are not "most" people.
If you will please refer back to my original post,you
will see at the bottom "The Tao".
This excerpt was taken directly from the Tao Te Ching.
So,then please study the Tao Te Ching text,and then you                                              might have the answer you look for.
If as you said you would like to hear from "my own experiance",
your question is something I would meditate on,for a period of
time.Because,to me it is very,,,"deep".I appolagize if you took
offense to me saying it was an abstract question. I think you
are a very knowlagable person,and would like to trade intelect,,,
yes? If so then we could email each other to discuss further,
in a more appprprite forum.
Everything matters,friend.Thankyou for your genuine interest.

Zoz

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Jan.27.2008
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Oh. Questions seem very simple to me.
You mentioned the Tao and a sage
and added that nothing is separate from Tao.

I asked about a person who is not a sage,
calling it an ordinary person.
I asked for the difference between such
a person and a sage, since none of them are
separate from Tao.

I would like to hear your own experience.
You don't need to answer.
It doesn't really matter.

Yes,most questions are simple enough,from most people.
I sense you are not "most" people.
If you will please refer back to my original post,you
will see at the bottom "The Tao".
This excerpt was taken directly from the Tao Te Ching.
So,then please study the Tao Te Ching text,and then you                                              might have the answer you look for.
If as you said you would like to hear from "my own experiance",
your question is something I would meditate on,for a period of
time.Because,to me it is very,,,"deep".I appolagize if you took
offense to me saying it was an abstract question. I think you
are a very knowlagable person,and would like to trade intelect,,,
yes? If so then we could email each other to discuss further,
in a more appprprite forum.
Everything matters,friend.Thankyou for your genuine interest.

Zoz

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me so sowwy
you so nice
me like you

HONESTLY.

he is his own answer!

you'd better listen to him
you are talking to yourself
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Jan.27.2008
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Oh. Questions seem very simple to me.
You mentioned the Tao and a sage
and added that nothing is separate from Tao.

I asked about a person who is not a sage,
calling it an ordinary person.
I asked for the difference between such
a person and a sage, since none of them are
separate from Tao.

I would like to hear your own experience.
You don't need to answer.
It doesn't really matter.

Yes,most questions are simple enough,from most people.
I sense you are not "most" people.
If you will please refer back to my original post,you
will see at the bottom "The Tao".
This excerpt was taken directly from the Tao Te Ching.
So,then please study the Tao Te Ching text,and then you                                              might have the answer you look for.
If as you said you would like to hear from "my own experiance",
your question is something I would meditate on,for a period of
time.Because,to me it is very,,,"deep".I appolagize if you took
offense to me saying it was an abstract question. I think you
are a very knowlagable person,and would like to trade intelect,,,
yes? If so then we could email each other to discuss further,
in a more appprprite forum.
Everything matters,friend.Thankyou for your genuine interest.

Zoz

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me so sowwy
you so nice
me like you

HONESTLY.

he is his own answer!

you'd better listen to him
you are talking to yourself
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whoops. you and I better go read the tao = (
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what on earth is tao?

On the welcome page of Zenguide,you will see in the whats new section the complete Tao Te Ching.

Tao and Zen-Buddhism share common bonds.To go into the history behind that would take more space and time allowed here. I'm pretty sure you can research the history between the two right here on the ZG. I have in the past studdied Zen-Buddhism,Muslumism,The Tao,and Christanity,just to mention the main religious philosophies...and many sub-religions. I am most attuned to the Tao,because it befits my own beliefs. Its simple,like me. :)

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what on earth is Tao?

The continuity of Tao

"Looked at but cannot be seen - it is beneath form;
Listened to but cannot be heard - it is beneath sound;
Held but cannot be touched - it is beneath feeling;
These depthless things evade definition,
And blend into a single mystery.

In its rising there is no light,
In its falling there is no darkness,
A continuous thread beyond description,
Lining what can not occur;
Its form formless,
Its image nothing,
Its name silence;
Follow it, it has no back,
Meet it, it has no face.

Attend the present to deal with the past;
Thus you grasp the continuity of the Way,
Which is its essence."

Tao Te Ching

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Jan.27.2008
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what on earth is tao?

On the welcome page of Zenguide,you will see in the whats new section the complete Tao Te Ching.

Tao and Zen-Buddhism share common bonds.To go into the history behind that would take more space and time allowed here. I'm pretty sure you can research the history between the two right here on the ZG. I have in the past studdied Zen-Buddhism,Muslumism,The Tao,and Christanity,just to mention the main religious philosophies...and many sub-religions. I am most attuned to the Tao,because it befits my own beliefs. Its simple,like me. :)

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what trying to do?

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Jan.27.2008
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Quote:  "what on earth is tao?
tut won urth tis OW!
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right

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Jan.28.2008
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Tao is just a concept, a nice one though.
I like Tao Te Ching, good reading.

No need studying or meditaiting it.

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Jan.28.2008
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Tao is just a concept, a nice one though.
I like Tao Te Ching, good reading.

No need studying or meditaiting it.

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thnking "Tao is just a concept" sees as if "Tao is just a concept"

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