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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: ALLIEVING SUFFERING A GOOD THING?
vertical line Posted on Jan.28.2008 @ 08:32PM EDT by SIOS2012
I'm not what you'd consider a Buddhist, but I do find many of the teachings of the Buddha very interesting.  One thing that I've never been quite able to understand though (albeit it's a major thing), is the alleviation of suffering.  From what I understand, one of the main tenants of Buddhism is to rid your life of suffering.  The thing I don't get though is, doesn't suffering (overcoming suffering specifically) strengthen the spirit?  Similar to when you exercise, and you tear and damage muscles so that they may grow back stronger, doesn't it work the same way with the spiritual?  Seems to me that avoiding suffering would bring about spiritual atrophy.  If someone could explain this to me, it would be greatly.

-SIOS

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Reply from boopoom
Jan.28.2008
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 is this phrase help you.....

                     "accept the suffering is avoiding sufferting itself"

 : )   sound confusing but it really streaght forward 

love,boopoom                  access your mind in positive way empower your brain to.............   : )

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Reply from 9999999
Jan.29.2008
03:09AM EDT 
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vertical line there is no one to suffer


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Reply from stephen
Jan.29.2008
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It is the Buddhist view that suffering is a self inflicted condition based on the wrong view. Our attachments, delusions and angry about the concept of self leads to suffering. We all have hardships but it is up to you if it is suffering.

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Reply from DeZachster
Jan.29.2008
10:55AM EDT 
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vertical line Is the pain you feel while working out suffering? Seems to me those who suffer at the gym are those who don't want to go/be there and choose to think of it as suffering....like some people I know.. ha ha
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Reply from -----0
Jan.29.2008
11:44AM EDT 
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Buddhism is about the truth of knowing who you are. Reduced suffering and strengthened compassion come along the way.

I don't see how suffering could strengthen you spiritually. I don't see how tearing and damaging muscles could ever make them stronger. When sportsmen get repeatedly injured it often means the end of their sport carrier.

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Reply from boymonk
Jan.29.2008
12:07PM EDT 
vertical line The middle way is advised.
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Reply from Snibbler
Jan.29.2008
12:39PM EDT 
vertical line I`ts how you relate to you`re suffering I guess. Like, have you not ever ridden you`re self of suffering be it imagined or othervise? Guess one can meditate to a state where phycical pain becomes electric tingling in the nerve system or something. (Guess it would take many monthly 5 minutes of zazzen for that).

But the logical thing here would be to focus on mind made suffering I say. Like, shit happens, but we choose ourself how we respond to it. Remember once in the army, the officers drove us so far into "suffering" that it became absurd. We were to practice low crawling at the shooting range since it was so difficult to see the targets trough the storming rain anyway. I had a really fun day, comrades whining and complaining. Was a field day for me. Me and my roommate tried to get the rest to join in on "singing in the rain" to no avail the ungrateful bastards:)

Anyway, as I`m well experienced in suffering, I`ll throw in some handy tips for ridding oneself of it:

1. Slam you`re head repeadatly into a wall for a prolonged periode of time. Then savor the absence of pain afterwards, and mindfully notice how insignificant you`re other sufferings become.

2. Sometimes "Dull" sufffering might be nasty hard to get rid of. Then it usually is caused by undone tasks in one way or the other. See, suffering has its functione, as Osho said, the pain is there to make us alert. Then make a "zen practise" of the whole thing. Focus on what makes you unhappy. "Dirty diches - papers to be filed - etc."

Then go at it as a task. A task where you mindfully go abouth doing what you can to rid you`re self of the feeling of micery! The diches can be covered with a blanket so you don`t have to see them! If you drop checking you`re mail, then you don`t have to worry abouth bills you are not aware of!!

But as it becomes harder and harder to ignore or avoid the pain, there is always intoxicating drink or smoke (tolerance for enduring pressing matters can often double or triple if one makes sure to stay in a constant haze of a sort.)

Just remember the overall goal! Thats to make sure to keep you`re self preoccupied for avoiding pain! And remember, there is always possible to postpone anything!

3. If you want to make sure to always be happy for the rest of the life, then you have to buy my book:

"Self inflicted brain surgery for dummies - how to trim you`re brain and triple endorphine production in three simple steps using a toothpick."

Can be ordered at the front, the one with the cool Pinnhead cover.

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Reply from ______
Jan.29.2008
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vertical line If you know how to suffer, you would be able not to suffer.
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Jan.29.2008
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vertical line Look at the 8 fold path, 4 noble turth. All craven = suffering. Let go of all craven. Be as a leaf folting on water. No holding on to.
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Reply from lehish
Jan.29.2008
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Quote: "there is no one to suffer


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right

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Reply from lehish
Jan.29.2008
05:59PM EDT 
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Quote: "No holding on to."
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:)

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Reply from ______
Jan.29.2008
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vertical line Wrong.
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Reply from lehish
Jan.29.2008
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Quote: "Wrong."
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what are referring to?

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Reply from ______
Jan.29.2008
06:09PM EDT 
vertical line Who are talking to? Require further information or require to feel the journey.
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Reply from lehish
Jan.29.2008
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Quote: "Who are talking to? Require further information or require to feel the journey."
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was asking what post were referring to

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Reply from ______
Jan.29.2008
06:13PM EDT 
vertical line The tenants of Buddhism owe back-rent.
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Reply from ______
Jan.29.2008
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Reply from lehish
Jan.29.2008
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "

Quote: "Who are talking to? Require further information or require to feel the journey."
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that reply doesn't apply

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Reply from ______
Jan.29.2008
06:36PM EDT 
vertical line Reply apply. Oh well. Oh dear. Eye eye. Apple bye bye.
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Reply from SIOS2012
Jan.29.2008
06:52PM EDT 
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Buddhism is about the truth of knowing who you are. Reduced suffering and strengthened compassion come along the way.

I don't see how suffering could strengthen you spiritually. I don't see how tearing and damaging muscles could ever make them stronger. When sportsmen get repeatedly injured it often means the end of their sport carrier.

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Actually, that's how muscles are strengthened.   When you lift weights  or whatever, the muscles are damaged, but grow back stronger.  Just so ya know.

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Reply from 9999999
Jan.29.2008
07:06PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "If you know how to suffer, you would be able not to suffer."
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this makes no sense
yes it does


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Reply from Lynnoh
Jan.30.2008
12:10PM EDT 
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vertical line sois, "does overcoming suffering strengthen the spirit... "here you answer your own question
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