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vertical line Posted on Feb.15.2008 @ 10:55AM EDT by Bigjawa
I am wondering a few things About Zen.

I know that there are a few of my answers scattered around the sight, but if some one has time to let me know these answers instead of me looking around for some, and the rest not being answered, any ways if you could reply fast, that would be great :)

ok here are my questions

Is there a God or gods? if so, what is he( or they) like?

What is the Nature of the universe- its origin and structure?
What is the essential nature of Man?
What is the basis of Morality and ethics?
What is the cause of evil and suffering?
what happens to man at death?
what is the meaning of history?

If you any body reading this ans the answer from a Zen Buddhism perspective,  please answer my questions asap,

And thank you :)

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Feb.15.2008
10:58AM EDT 
vertical line Those questions of yours have been exercising minds for millennia. How fast is that?
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Feb.15.2008
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vertical line Quote: "Those questions of yours have been exercising minds for millennia. How fast is that?"
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lol pretty fast, but I was wanting an answer, not a clever statement that does not answer my questions.
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Reply from ______
Feb.15.2008
11:11AM EDT 
vertical line What's clever about it? Truthful yes, clever no. Sorry to sound repetitive but there are no answers for you from me to questions like those, that's why you want answers.
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Feb.15.2008
11:16AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "What's clever about it? Truthful yes, clever no. Sorry to sound repetitive but there are no answers for you from me to questions like those, that's why you want answers. "
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so let me get this, I want answers because you dont have them? is that what your saying?
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Reply from ______
Feb.15.2008
11:28AM EDT 
vertical line I already said what I'm saying. You want answers to your questions, but you seem to prefer someone to give you answers to your questions - maybe to save time (another millennium) or something, who knows. Anyway, they're your questions, so you answer them and help yourself.
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Feb.15.2008
11:30AM EDT 
vertical line Unless of course, it isn't answers but speculations and opinions you want.
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Reply from stephen
Feb.15.2008
11:47AM EDT 
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Is there a God or gods? if so, what is he( or they) like?

There is no God.

What is the Nature of the universe- its origin and structure? Unknown

What is the essential nature of Man?

Buddha Nature / Pure and Clean
What is the basis of Morality and ethics?

The Noble Eightfold Path

What is the cause of evil and suffering?

The First Noble Truth:

All is suffering (Dukkha)

                                      Suffering = life is insufficient

                                      A profound and ongoing dissatisfaction.

                                      Life is fleeting and unfulling.

                                      The world can not satisfy that which we crave.

                                      Permanence does not exist.

                                      Change is the inevitable.

 

The Second Noble Truth:      

The origin of suffering (Samudaya)

                                      Wanting a permanence of self.

                                      Ignorance.                              

Craving.

                                      The 5 hindrances of being aware.

1. Attachment to the physical and mental aspects    of the environment.

                                                2. Ill will.

                                                3. Torpor of mind and body.

                                                4. Worry.

                                                5. Wavering doubt.

                                      The 3 poisons which hinder “seeing”.

1.     Greed.

2.     Anger.

3.     Foolishness.

 


what happens to man at death? Rebirth or Enlightenment
what is the meaning of history? If observed correctly – wisdom.
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Feb.15.2008
12:08PM EDT 
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Is there a God or gods? if so, what is he( or they) like?

There is no God.

What is the Nature of the universe- its origin and structure? Unknown

What is the essential nature of Man?

Buddha Nature / Pure and Clean
What is the basis of Morality and ethics?

The Noble Eightfold Path

What is the cause of evil and suffering?

The First Noble Truth:

All is suffering (Dukkha)

                                      Suffering = life is insufficient

                                      A profound and ongoing dissatisfaction.

                                      Life is fleeting and unfulling.

                                      The world can not satisfy that which we crave.

                                      Permanence does not exist.

                                      Change is the inevitable.

 

The Second Noble Truth:      

The origin of suffering (Samudaya)

                                      Wanting a permanence of self.

                                      Ignorance.                              

Craving.

                                      The 5 hindrances of being aware.

1. Attachment to the physical and mental aspects    of the environment.

                                                2. Ill will.

                                                3. Torpor of mind and body.

                                                4. Worry.

                                                5. Wavering doubt.

                                      The 3 poisons which hinder “seeing”.

1.     Greed.

2.     Anger.

3.     Foolishness.

 


what happens to man at death? Rebirth or Enlightenment
what is the meaning of history? If observed correctly – wisdom.
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Thank you, I find that most helpful :)
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Reply from 9999999
Feb.15.2008
04:22PM EDT 
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Is there a God or gods? if so, what is he( or they) like?
who is asking?

What is the Nature of the universe- its origin and structure?
who is asking?

What is the essential nature of Man?
of man? there is no such thing.

What is the basis of Morality and ethics?
no basis, no morality, no ethics.

What is the cause of evil and suffering?
no cause, no evil, no suffering.

what happens to man at death?
better to ask if there is life before deathor better yet, what happens at birth?  what happens upon waking and upon sleeping?

there is no man, so how can it die?  life is in the body before and after death--before it is home to a universe of cells and systems and after it is there for whatever is hungry: worms, birds, grass, trees, flowers, lions, tigers, and bears, oh my!

what is the meaning of history?
history is history--just say it-- hhiiisssssssssstoooooorrrrrrrryyy
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Feb.15.2008
07:40PM EDT 
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vertical line No God. Just Buddha in side all of usto be. Fine the Buddha in side you.
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Feb.15.2008
07:53PM EDT 
vertical line Small portions of the pre-frontal cortex in the cerebrum believe that mental things and physical things are fundamentally distinct kinds of entities.
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Feb.15.2008
07:58PM EDT 
vertical line The usual provisional imitation is a learning for advantage and promotes rivalry.
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Feb.16.2008
02:50AM EDT 
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Quote: "I know that there are a few of my answers scattered around the sight, but if some one has time to let me know these answers instead of me looking around for some, and the rest not being answered, any ways if you could reply fast, that would be great :) "
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I would not recommend you not to go the way of answers
for every answer is a new haunting demon

just be with your original nature
that needs no explanation

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Reply from -----0
Feb.16.2008
02:51AM EDT 
vertical line sorry, I mean don't go the way of answers
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Reply from ______
Feb.16.2008
08:49AM EDT 
vertical line What happened to the barker and the coloured balloons? God almighty, he never sold anything about the gods.
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Reply from ______
Feb.16.2008
09:28AM EDT 
vertical line Interesting conceptual representation: 'just be with your original nature'. I'd recommend you let that false image fall like the rest of the dead leaves.
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Reply from -----0
Feb.16.2008
10:46AM EDT 
vertical line you are right, but for all practical purposes while posting some words have to be used
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Reply from ______
Feb.18.2008
10:12AM EDT 
vertical line Are you with me on this one?
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Reply from ______
Feb.18.2008
10:29AM EDT 
vertical line Realise a truth and you'll never forget it in a million billion trillion zillion to the power of a zero years:

Shakyamuni is not a Buddhist.
Jesus is not a Christian.

Shakyamuni says: 'Be a lamp unto yourself'.
Jesus says: 'The kingdom of heaven is within'.

Rustic is the twin.

So, anyone who gives you a ready made belief system above and beyond the above (snicker), is not helping you, is trying to distract you and is not your friend.
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Reply from -----0
Feb.18.2008
11:30AM EDT 
vertical line Huang Po said: "Studying the Way" is just a figure of speech. It is a method of arousing people's interest in the early stages of their development. In fact, the Way is not something which can be studied. Study leads to the retention of concepts and so the Way is entirely misunderstood.
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Reply from 9999999
Feb.18.2008
12:48PM EDT 
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vertical line rustic the contendeRRRR

rustic the rustic
THE RUSTIC
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Reply from ______
Feb.18.2008
02:03PM EDT 
vertical line Contender?
What, like the struggle to be what I already am? Or is there someone out there to take responsibility for me?
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Feb.18.2008
03:06PM EDT 
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vertical line nope, only rustic is rustic and everything is rustic and everynothing is rustic

so0oo0o0 only rustic without a rustic
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Feb.18.2008
03:07PM EDT 
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vertical line no contender though that was really meaningless
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Reply from ______
Feb.18.2008
04:12PM EDT 
vertical line Authenticity is the path - being responsible for yourself; being true to yourself, your experience - you cannot be responsible for 'rustic'; you cannot be responsible for 'without rustic'. If you believe 'my truth', a truth you cannot see, then for you it becomes a lie, and a barrier to your truth.
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Feb.18.2008
04:58PM EDT 
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which post was it read as if HA was posting as if "responsible" for rustic?

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Reply from Bigjawa
Feb.18.2008
05:59PM EDT 
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vertical line My my.  So  we really don't know, its more your own personal view and path you choose to follow?

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Feb.18.2008
06:56PM EDT 
vertical line Personal views and the choosing of paths are contents of the mind, the result of mental / intellectual processes: the seen - authentic truth / vision is the capacity to see.
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Feb.18.2008
07:11PM EDT 
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Quote: "My my.  So  we really don't know, its more your own personal view and path you choose to follow?

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what are you talking about?

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Feb.18.2008
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Reply from ______
Feb.18.2008
07:36PM EDT 
vertical line It just another human

And when you get up close, you'll see

Now what you gonna do, er, man

Don't make her what you'll never be

I say whoa, whoa, er, baby know

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Feb.18.2008
07:38PM EDT 
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or was the post not responding lehish post bigiawa? :)

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Feb.18.2008
07:39PM EDT 
vertical line You know, as far as the womb is concerned, I died a baby.
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Feb.18.2008
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or was the post not responding lehish post bigiawa? :)

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What are you talking about?
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Feb.18.2008
07:47PM EDT 
vertical line hey :)
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Feb.18.2008
08:04PM EDT 
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fun to click!

silly yet?


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Feb.18.2008
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hey nonny ho
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Feb.18.2008
08:20PM EDT 
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Quote: "hey :)"
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:) hey

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Feb.19.2008
04:29PM EDT 
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Is there a God or gods? if so, what is he( or they) like?

-There are only the gods that you create.  You are the creator of this world and you are the creation. The painter and the painting; the creative unique one who forms everything from nothingness. Gods are ideas elevated into masters.

What is the Nature of the universe- its origin and structure?

-No matter how much you grasp at perceived truths you’ll only have a handful of meaningless perceptions. Accept that it is thus, stop grasping and start playing.  


What is the essential nature of Man?

-I can describe “Man” all day because “Man” is a concept. Does this concept describe you? Do you need to be told what you are? “Man” is the harshest god of them all. Everywhere you see fools whipping themselves, restlessly trying to become “Man”. I must become my true self! They scream as they try to hold on to their thoughts of otherworldly holiness. You are thus and can be nothing else. You are everything, what else are you trying to be? Stop worshiping your own creations or you’ll always be a miserable slave.


What is the basis of Morality and ethics?

-You are the basis of everything, why are you asking for permission. You’ve created this idea of morality, is morality now your master?


What is the cause of evil and suffering?

-You are.


what happens to man at death?

-Do your thoughts of death bother you? What god is those thoughts threatening to kill? Strike it down and your thoughts of death will be meaningless.  


what is the meaning of history?

                -I must babble today because I babbled yesterday. When you are no longer a slave to your own creations there is no yesterday.  

If you are looking for Zen Buddhism forget what I said.  

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Mar.06.2008
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There is only God.  You are God.  We are God.  All is God.

Everything that God has created It has created out of itself, because there is nothing else.  There is nothing that is not God.

The only limit to God's creation is God's imagination.

You will not find your answers here.  But you will see that other monks are as lost as you are.  That may be comforting.  Those who profess to know are the most ignorant, because there is nothing to know. 

Only in your meditation will you learn anything.  And that should mostly be unlearning.

When Chon Tri reached the top of the mountain, he let out a yell that shook the universe.  I understand what he means.  I know what he says.

When I reached the top of the mountain, I spread my wings and flew like a raven into the night sky, unseen, never to return.  He will know what I mean.

But only through your own meditation can you learn, or unlearn, and reach the top of the mountain.

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Mar.06.2008
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Mar.06.2008
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vertical line Can it be that you think 'they / us' are unenlightened?
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vertical line Can it be that there is no such thing as enlightenment?
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Mar.06.2008
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Mar.06.2008
11:27AM EDT 
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vertical line Give me an "R"

"AAARRRRREEEE!!!!"

How bout a "we"? Without the "uu".
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Mar.06.2008
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There is only God.  You are God.  We are God.  All is God.

Everything that God has created It has created out of itself, because there is nothing else.  There is nothing that is not God.

The only limit to God's creation is God's imagination.

You will not find your answers here.  But you will see that other monks are as lost as you are.  That may be comforting.  Those who profess to know are the most ignorant, because there is nothing to know. 

Only in your meditation will you learn anything.  And that should mostly be unlearning.

When Chon Tri reached the top of the mountain, he let out a yell that shook the universe.  I understand what he means.  I know what he says.

When I reached the top of the mountain, I spread my wings and flew like a raven into the night sky, unseen, never to return.  He will know what I mean.

But only through your own meditation can you learn, or unlearn, and reach the top of the mountain.

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what'-who is professing to know all that-stuff-asheera ?

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Mar.06.2008
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Mar.06.2008
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vertical line I want the peace disturbed. Because the 'knower' will never call another an 'unknower'. The one who wants to know is the one claiming that the other doesn't know.
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Mar.06.2008
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~UG Krishnamurti
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~UG Krishnamurti
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Relax!!
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Mar.06.2008
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There is only God.  You are God.  We are God.  All is God.

Everything that God has created It has created out of itself, because there is nothing else.  There is nothing that is not God.

The only limit to God's creation is God's imagination.

You will not find your answers here.  But you will see that other monks are as lost as you are.  That may be comforting.  Those who profess to know are the most ignorant, because there is nothing to know. 

Only in your meditation will you learn anything.  And that should mostly be unlearning.

When Chon Tri reached the top of the mountain, he let out a yell that shook the universe.  I understand what he means.  I know what he says.

When I reached the top of the mountain, I spread my wings and flew like a raven into the night sky, unseen, never to return.  He will know what I mean.

But only through your own meditation can you learn, or unlearn, and reach the top of the mountain.

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> Ms Asheera,

You missed your words here.  This forum is not a Zendo at all.  It is just a website page that Mr Alan created and offered to anyone who'd like to come to do some conversations with friends who get the same interest.  ChonTri is one of those people.  He doesn't have any intention to do anything else.  As he said several times: Here no one is teacher or master or guru...no one is pupil or student or follower...at all. 

If you or anyone else would like to find someone and make him or her as a Master, it's up to you all.  ChonTri has nothing to do with it. < 

Chon Tri 

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Mar.07.2008
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More about undoing than talking to myself.
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Mar.08.2008
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Quote: "Can it be that there is no such thing as enlightenment?"
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Enlightenment is nothing.  Who is there to be enlightened?   What is there to be enlighted to?

God is not God to God. 

It may be a useful reference, in the meaningless activity of talking, but as a label it is as empty as any other.

As the ego-me, I am nothing, I am no one, I do not matter.  Is it enlightenment to know that?  That is what I meant, metaphorically, when I said I disappeared like a Raven into the night sky, never to return.  Can my ego ever matter again?  Can Oz ever be so magnificent as it was before you saw behind the curtain?

You are nothing. You are no one. You do not matter.  Is it wisdom to know that?  Are you insulted, or do you nod in quiet agreement?

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Mar.08.2008
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There is only God.  You are God.  We are God.  All is God.

Everything that God has created It has created out of itself, because there is nothing else.  There is nothing that is not God.

The only limit to God&apos;s creation is God&apos;s imagination.

You will not find your answers here.  But you will see that other monks are as lost as you are.  That may be comforting.  Those who profess to know are the most ignorant, because there is nothing to know. 

Only in your meditation will you learn anything.  And that should mostly be unlearning.

When Chon Tri reached the top of the mountain, he let out a yell that shook the universe.  I understand what he means.  I know what he says.

When I reached the top of the mountain, I spread my wings and flew like a raven into the night sky, unseen, never to return.  He will know what I mean.

But only through your own meditation can you learn, or unlearn, and reach the top of the mountain.

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what&apos;-who is professing to know all that-stuff-asheera ?

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How should I know?  I am just a sheer A..., after all.

I think the best definition of enlightenment is to not use apostrophes on this site.

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There is only God.  You are God.  We are God.  All is God.

Everything that God has created It has created out of itself, because there is nothing else.  There is nothing that is not God.

The only limit to God&apos;s creation is God&apos;s imagination.

You will not find your answers here.  But you will see that other monks are as lost as you are.  That may be comforting.  Those who profess to know are the most ignorant, because there is nothing to know. 

Only in your meditation will you learn anything.  And that should mostly be unlearning.

When Chon Tri reached the top of the mountain, he let out a yell that shook the universe.  I understand what he means.  I know what he says.

When I reached the top of the mountain, I spread my wings and flew like a raven into the night sky, unseen, never to return.  He will know what I mean.

But only through your own meditation can you learn, or unlearn, and reach the top of the mountain.

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what&apos;-who is professing to know all that-stuff-asheera ?

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How should I know?  I am just a sheer A..., after all.

I think the best definition of enlightenment is to not use apostrophes on this site.

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I know of two others from here who are post-satori also, and we agree that Chontri is a Master. Only those who have understanding can see it in others. But we rarely come here, or post here. We find it futile, as we generally only get ridicule for our trouble. But Chontri does not give up so easily.
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Enlightenment is nothing.  Who is there to be enlightened?   What is there to be enlighted to?


God is not God to God. 


It may be a useful reference, in the meaningless activity of talking, but as a label it is as empty as any other.


As the ego-me, I am nothing, I am no one, I do not matter.  Is it enlightenment to know that?  That is what I meant, metaphorically, when I said I disappeared like a Raven into the night sky, never to return.  Can my ego ever matter again?  Can Oz ever be so magnificent as it was before you saw behind the curtain?


You are nothing. You are no one. You do not matter.  Is it wisdom to know that?  Are you insulted, or do you nod in quiet agreement?

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Ego is a social phenomenon, constructed by the mental processes of collective minds; it's an add-on.. Real reality wise, like the mind, it doesn't exist. Enlightenment is just a word, used and abused, to describe a natural state, so the word itself isn't meaningless, which means I don't subscribe to the view that talking is a 'meaningless activity'. In awareness, all is meaningful. So we can say, there is no such thing as enlightenment or we can say that somebody is spreading the rumour that somebody else isn't enlightened.

When you said that you know of two others from here who are post satori also and that you rarely come here as you only get ridicule for your trouble, are you saying you don't like to be ridiculed? Because I do, like to be ridiculed, that is.

Anyway, I love language, so would be more than happy to discuss the finer semantic points of the word 'enlightenment' et al. In the meantime, excuse me while I just nod off.
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How should I know?  I am just a sheer A..., after all.

I think the best definition of enlightenment is to not use apostrophes on this site.

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'define' , "split",is imagined

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I know of two others from here who are post-satori also, and we agree that Chontri is a Master. Only those who have understanding can see it in others. But we rarely come here, or post here. We find it futile, as we generally only get ridicule for our trouble. But Chontri does not give up so easily.
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Enlightenment is nothing.  Who is there to be enlightened?   What is there to be enlighted to?


God is not God to God. 


It may be a useful reference, in the meaningless activity of talking, but as a label it is as empty as any other.


As the ego-me, I am nothing, I am no one, I do not matter.  Is it enlightenment to know that?  That is what I meant, metaphorically, when I said I disappeared like a Raven into the night sky, never to return.  Can my ego ever matter again?  Can Oz ever be so magnificent as it was before you saw behind the curtain?


You are nothing. You are no one. You do not matter.  Is it wisdom to know that?  Are you insulted, or do you nod in quiet agreement?

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Ego is a social phenomenon, constructed by the mental processes of collective minds; it&apos;s an add-on.. Real reality wise, like the mind, it doesn&apos;t exist. Enlightenment is just a word, used and abused, to describe a natural state, so the word itself isn&apos;t meaningless, which means I don&apos;t subscribe to the view that talking is a &apos;meaningless activity&apos;. In awareness, all is meaningful. So we can say, there is no such thing as enlightenment or we can say that somebody is spreading the rumour that somebody else isn&apos;t enlightened.

When you said that you know of two others from here who are post satori also and that you rarely come here as you only get ridicule for your trouble, are you saying you don&apos;t like to be ridiculed? Because I do, like to be ridiculed, that is.

Anyway, I love language, so would be more than happy to discuss the finer semantic points of the word &apos;enlightenment&apos; et al. In the meantime, excuse me while I just nod off. "
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Ego is a social phenomenon, constructed by the mental processes of collective minds; it&apos;s an add-on.. Real reality wise, like the mind, it doesn&apos;t exist. Enlightenment is just a word, used and abused, to describe a natural state, so the word itself isn&apos;t meaningless, which means I don&apos;t subscribe to the view that talking is a &apos;meaningless activity&apos;. In awareness, all is meaningful. So we can say, there is no such thing as enlightenment or we can say that somebody is spreading the rumour that somebody else isn&apos;t enlightened.

When you said that you know of two others from here who are post satori also and that you rarely come here as you only get ridicule for your trouble, are you saying you don&apos;t like to be ridiculed? Because I do, like to be ridiculed, that is.

Anyway, I love language, so would be more than happy to discuss the finer semantic points of the word &apos;enlightenment&apos; et al. In the meantime, excuse me while I just nod off.
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This is a Buddhist site, so the prospect of Satori, which in Japanese means "understanding" should not be off limits.

I prefer the term 'Spirit', but Buddha, God, Allah, Universal Consciousness,Great Googamooga, etc, all work the same for me.

I don't get offended here, although I seem to offend others.  So I don't come here very much.  Whenever I speak of awakening, or enlightenment, or Satori, people's egos get tweaked and they snap back with, essentially, "Oh yeah?  You're enlightened, huh? Well, what makes you think we're not?"

Firstly, if you are awakened, as The buddha called it, then no one can ever tweak your ego again.  You may not like them, or whatever, but that is not because of a threatened ego. 

The other thing is that those who get their egos tweaked are assuming that I am claiming to have some kind of elevated position over them because of awakening, and anyone who is awakened would know that there is no such elevation involved.  Moreso probably a benevolent deflation, as you know then you are the equal of everything, not less, not more.

I try to help, even if by shaking some people.  You have a good opportunity in this lifetime to attain awakening.  You know about it for one thing.  You know how to meditate.  You may not be so lucky in the next lifetime.

I came to this site looking for others who had experienced Satori so that I could compare notes and validate the experience.  I didn't feel that I needed anyones approval, or certification, but I wanted to see if the experience was the same for everyone.  No, it isn't.  It seems to be tailored by Buddha to the individual.

A common element I have noted among experiences is that the person went into meditation with sincerity.  Not expecting to gain anything.

I am not elevated above anyone.  I will help if I can.  I have helped a couple of people. But I have nothing to gain or lose here.

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Quote: "Firstly, if you are awakened, as The buddha called it, then no one can ever tweak your ego again."

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what "again" ?

 

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what "again" ?

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May I tweak your nose, Sherry? 

You're the original sheer A..., remember?

But I would also remind you again that Nothing is not the real reality either.  It is just another of an infinite number of possibilties bound up in what is sometimes called Nothingness, or The Void.

Nothing is describable, and quantifiable.  Also it is mathematical value, comparable to all other mathematical values. 

Nothingness is whatever it is being, including Nothing, maybe.  Sometimes called, The Void.

I do agree that the only way to understand Nothingness is to be Nothingness, or to remember being Nothingness, which in Japanese Monasteries is called returning to the original position, but it is really a metaphor for that which cannot be described.

Nothing is not the answer, to the question for which there is no answer, because it is an answer.   Therefore it is disqualified.

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May I tweak your nose, Sherry? 

You&apos;re the original sheer A..., remember?

But I would also remind you again that Nothing is not the real reality either.  It is just another of an infinite number of possibilties bound up in what is sometimes called Nothingness, or The Void.

Nothing is describable, and quantifiable.  Also it is mathematical value, comparable to all other mathematical values. 

Nothingness is whatever it is being, including Nothing, maybe.  Sometimes called, The Void.

I do agree that the only way to understand Nothingness is to be Nothingness, or to remember being Nothingness, which in Japanese Monasteries is called returning to the original position, but it is really a metaphor for that which cannot be described.

Nothing is not the answer, to the question for which there is no answer, because it is an answer.   Therefore it is disqualified."

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'asheera' didn't any meaning, didn't mean 'sheer A', though is which some people posted thinking it meant

what post are you referring to which you read as if lehish was answering a question saying there is "Nothingmess" ?

"to remember being Nothingness" ....not of memory

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vertical line What are you trying to understand? Either we are free or we are not free. If there is such a thing as enlightenment, it isn't an experience - it's a state of 'not-knowing'. So there would be no way of knowing that state except through thought, knowledge. And then how would you communicate what you have not experienced? As for the imagined offence of 'tweaking egos' and all that stuff, I'm not doing anything, so trust me or not, I don't want 'satori'.
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May I tweak your nose, Sherry? 

You&apos;re the original sheer A..., remember?

But I would also remind you again that Nothing is not the real reality either.  It is just another of an infinite number of possibilties bound up in what is sometimes called Nothingness, or The Void.

Nothing is describable, and quantifiable.  Also it is mathematical value, comparable to all other mathematical values. 

Nothingness is whatever it is being, including Nothing, maybe.  Sometimes called, The Void.

I do agree that the only way to understand Nothingness is to be Nothingness, or to remember being Nothingness, which in Japanese Monasteries is called returning to the original position, but it is really a metaphor for that which cannot be described.

Nothing is not the answer, to the question for which there is no answer, because it is an answer.   Therefore it is disqualified.

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I know of two others from here who are post-satori also, and we agree that Chontri is a Master. Only those who have understanding can see it in others. But we rarely come here, or post here. We find it futile, as we generally only get ridicule for our trouble. But Chontri does not give up so easily.
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Enlightenment is nothing.  Who is there to be enlightened?   What is there to be enlighted to?



God is not God to God. 



It may be a useful reference, in the meaningless activity of talking, but as a label it is as empty as any other.



As the ego-me, I am nothing, I am no one, I do not matter.  Is it enlightenment to know that?  That is what I meant, metaphorically, when I said I disappeared like a Raven into the night sky, never to return.  Can my ego ever matter again?  Can Oz ever be so magnificent as it was before you saw behind the curtain?



You are nothing. You are no one. You do not matter.  Is it wisdom to know that?  Are you insulted, or do you nod in quiet agreement?


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Ego is a social phenomenon, constructed by the mental processes of collective minds; it's an add-on.. Real reality wise, like the mind, it doesn't exist. Enlightenment is just a word, used and abused, to describe a natural state, so the word itself isn't meaningless, which means I don't subscribe to the view that talking is a 'meaningless activity'. In awareness, all is meaningful. So we can say, there is no such thing as enlightenment or we can say that somebody is spreading the rumour that somebody else isn't enlightened.

When you said that you know of two others from here who are post satori also and that you rarely come here as you only get ridicule for your trouble, are you saying you don't like to be ridiculed? Because I do, like to be ridiculed, that is.

Anyway, I love language, so would be more than happy to discuss the finer semantic points of the word 'enlightenment' et al. In the meantime, excuse me while I just nod off. "
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Ego is a social phenomenon, constructed by the mental processes of collective minds; it's an add-on.. Real reality wise, like the mind, it doesn't exist. Enlightenment is just a word, used and abused, to describe a natural state, so the word itself isn't meaningless, which means I don't subscribe to the view that talking is a 'meaningless activity'. In awareness, all is meaningful. So we can say, there is no such thing as enlightenment or we can say that somebody is spreading the rumour that somebody else isn't enlightened.

When you said that you know of two others from here who are post satori also and that you rarely come here as you only get ridicule for your trouble, are you saying you don't like to be ridiculed? Because I do, like to be ridiculed, that is.

Anyway, I love language, so would be more than happy to discuss the finer semantic points of the word 'enlightenment' et al. In the meantime, excuse me while I just nod off.
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This is a Buddhist site, so the prospect of Satori, which in Japanese means "understanding" should not be off limits.


I prefer the term 'Spirit', but Buddha, God, Allah, Universal Consciousness,Great Googamooga, etc, all work the same for me.


I don't get offended here, although I seem to offend others.  So I don't come here very much.  Whenever I speak of awakening, or enlightenment, or Satori, people's egos get tweaked and they snap back with, essentially, "Oh yeah?  You're enlightened, huh? Well, what makes you think we're not?"


Firstly, if you are awakened, as The buddha called it, then no one can ever tweak your ego again.  You may not like them, or whatever, but that is not because of a threatened ego. 


The other thing is that those who get their egos tweaked are assuming that I am claiming to have some kind of elevated position over them because of awakening, and anyone who is awakened would know that there is no such elevation involved.  Moreso probably a benevolent deflation, as you know then you are the equal of everything, not less, not more.


I try to help, even if by shaking some people.  You have a good opportunity in this lifetime to attain awakening.  You know about it for one thing.  You know how to meditate.  You may not be so lucky in the next lifetime.


I came to this site looking for others who had experienced Satori so that I could compare notes and validate the experience.  I didn't feel that I needed anyones approval, or certification, but I wanted to see if the experience was the same for everyone.  No, it isn't.  It seems to be tailored by Buddha to the individual.


A common element I have noted among experiences is that the person went into meditation with sincerity.  Not expecting to gain anything.


I am not elevated above anyone.  I will help if I can.  I have helped a couple of people. But I have nothing to gain or lose here.

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I suppose it was rude of me to steal Sherry's moniker, which she dropped some time ago when the site was reorganized by Alan.

So here I am again.  It kills some time when I really don't have anything to do except stand in front of this computer, and it makes me look busy.

Other than that, I doubt if I can help much.  The routine hasn't changed throughout recorded history.  Monks wrestle with logic until they are exhausted, and then, sans logic,  they see.  But this cannot happen, it seems, until logic has run its course, like a fever.  That's what Koans are for.  Insoluble riddles to help exhaust logic.

How are you doing Shayne?  Last time we talked you were wrestling with telekinesis.  Did you get past it?  Very tempting, eh, the idea of having power?  After one escapes the Trap of Logic, there are others, like the Trap of Power. 

Maybe I'm in another one, the Trap of Trying to Help.  But I think I'm just about past it.  In this lifetime or another, people will see when they are ready.

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This is very close, but still it seems trying to make things fit into a logical framework.

Is is a very dangerous word.  To say that something Is is to say that something else is not.  And that is where there is a need to get past logic, so that all possibilities can exist equally at the same time.

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This is very close, but still it seems trying to make things fit into a logical framework.


Is is a very dangerous word. 


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I suppose it was rude of me to steal Sherry's moniker, which she dropped some time ago when the site was reorganized by Alan.

So here I am again.  It kills some time when I really don't have anything to do except stand in front of this computer, and it makes me look busy.

Other than that, I doubt if I can help much.  The routine hasn't changed throughout recorded history.  Monks wrestle with logic until they are exhausted, and then, sans logic,  they see.  But this cannot happen, it seems, until logic has run its course, like a fever.  That's what Koans are for.  Insoluble riddles to help exhaust logic.

How are you doing Shayne?  Last time we talked you were wrestling with telekinesis.  Did you get past it?  Very tempting, eh, the idea of having power?  After one escapes the Trap of Logic, there are others, like the Trap of Power. 

Maybe I'm in another one, the Trap of Trying to Help.  But I think I'm just about past it.  In this lifetime or another, people will see when they are ready.

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The trap of Nirvana.

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There could be a Trap of Nirvana.

The thing about traps is that if you accept them, or become attached to them, you go no further in your spiritual development until you let go of them.

Osho in particular, in his writings, referenced another state beyond Satori, Nirvana, or whatever one may call it, and he claimed to have attained that state of being.  I do not remember what he called it. 

I guess there is no way to know what is next for you until you let go of where you are, or what you have.

I am very happy with what I have, since satori, but then I was pretty happy with what I had before that.  Not so much before that though. 

I've had psychic experiences since the age of one, and visions since the age of three.  So I've been at this pretty much my whole life, over 50 years, and it has continually developed along the way. 

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I suppose it was rude of me to steal Sherry's moniker, which she dropped some time ago when the site was reorganized by Alan.


So here I am again.  It kills some time when I really don't have anything to do except stand in front of this computer, and it makes me look busy.


Other than that, I doubt if I can help much.  The routine hasn't changed throughout recorded history.  Monks wrestle with logic until they are exhausted, and then, sans logic,  they see.  But this cannot happen, it seems, until logic has run its course, like a fever.  That's what Koans are for.  Insoluble riddles to help exhaust logic.


How are you doing Shayne?  Last time we talked you were wrestling with telekinesis.  Did you get past it?  Very tempting, eh, the idea of having power?  After one escapes the Trap of Logic, there are others, like the Trap of Power. 


Maybe I'm in another one, the Trap of Trying to Help.  But I think I'm just about past it.  In this lifetime or another, people will see when they are ready.


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There could be a Trap of Nirvana.


The thing about traps is that if you accept them, or become attached to them, you go no further in your spiritual development until you let go of them.


Osho in particular, in his writings, referenced another state beyond Satori, Nirvana, or whatever one may call it, and he claimed to have attained that state of being.  I do not remember what he called it. 


I guess there is no way to know what is next for you until you let go of where you are, or what you have.


I am very happy with what I have, since satori, but then I was pretty happy with what I had before that.  Not so much before that though. 


I've had psychic experiences since the age of one, and visions since the age of three.  So I've been at this pretty much my whole life, over 50 years, and it has continually developed along the way. 

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Quote: "yoo don....whats up!! haha"
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I suppose it was rude of me to steal Sherry&apos;s moniker, which she dropped some time ago when the site was reorganized by Alan.

So here I am again.  It kills some time when I really don&apos;t have anything to do except stand in front of this computer, and it makes me look busy.

Other than that, I doubt if I can help much.  The routine hasn&apos;t changed throughout recorded history.  Monks wrestle with logic until they are exhausted, and then, sans logic,  they see.  But this cannot happen, it seems, until logic has run its course, like a fever.  That&apos;s what Koans are for.  Insoluble riddles to help exhaust logic.

How are you doing Shayne?  Last time we talked you were wrestling with telekinesis.  Did you get past it?  Very tempting, eh, the idea of having power?  After one escapes the Trap of Logic, there are others, like the Trap of Power. 

Maybe I&apos;m in another one, the Trap of Trying to Help.  But I think I&apos;m just about past it.  In this lifetime or another, people will see when they are ready.

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telekinsis? maybe physic,,,,,dont remember anything about telekinsis.

maybe when i was at the height of my bipolar.

but this is par for the course. thinking you have special powers.

since then and medication later ive adopted a way differant course of action.

i just assumed it was you don.

anyway im doing GREAT!

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what about it johny

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what about it johny

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neither do i.........but what does this happen to do with anything?

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huh? dont ya listen?

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alright then.

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babble away.

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so johny cat...........are you married and have kids????

just wondering

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i have three.........named mercedes ( 16 )...tykota ( 11 ) and tanner ( 8 ).

was married.........lol.

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whats your kinds name johny cat

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There could be a Trap of Nirvana.


The thing about traps is that if you accept them, or become attached to them, you go no further in your spiritual development until you let go of them.


Osho in particular, in his writings, referenced another state beyond Satori, Nirvana, or whatever one may call it, and he claimed to have attained that state of being.  I do not remember what he called it. 


I guess there is no way to know what is next for you until you let go of where you are, or what you have.


I am very happy with what I have, since satori, but then I was pretty happy with what I had before that.  Not so much before that though. 


I&apos;ve had psychic experiences since the age of one, and visions since the age of three.  So I&apos;ve been at this pretty much my whole life, over 50 years, and it has continually developed along the way. 

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How do you let go of where you are if it is continually developed along the way? I called it a state of &apos;not knowing&apos;. Next? Why are you worried about what is next for you? What do you have since &apos;satori&apos;? "
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How do you let go of where you are if it is continually developed along the way? I called it a state of &apos;not knowing&apos;. Next? Why are you worried about what is next for you? What do you have since &apos;satori&apos;?
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This site is about Zen Buddhism.  If you want to depart from that, its set up so that you can say anything, Buddhist, Aetheist, whatever.  I don't argue with that.  If you want to repudiate Zen Buddhist beliefs, thats okay, but dont expect your aetheist views to become the accepted standard here.

After Satori I have 'understanding', exactly as is according to Zen Buddhist principles.  If you care to read Herrigel's The Method of Zen, about what can be expected before and after Satori, that is exactly what has occured with me. 

Its been going on for hundreds of years.  But just because its been happening to hundreds of people for hundreds of years doesnt mean you have to believe in it.

If there is more, a next, I guess I will find out in due time. 

When I was a boy, I tried to push away metaphysical experiences.  They were intrusive, and told me things I didnt want to know or believe.  It always seemed to be bad news. 

Then later I came to depend on these 'warnings'.  Then to meditate.  Then a very rich meditative existence grew, in addition to my life here.  And then Satori came unexpectedly.  And now I am not only not afraid to die, I am also not concerned with the prospect of ceasing to exist, which I would consider inconsequential. 

And life is much easier and better when you have acceptance of your universal will, rather than the needs and demands of your personal will.

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There could be a Trap of Nirvana.

The thing about traps is that if you accept them, or become attached to them, you go no further in your spiritual development until you let go of them.

Osho in particular, in his writings, referenced another state beyond Satori, Nirvana, or whatever one may call it, and he claimed to have attained that state of being.  I do not remember what he called it. 

I guess there is no way to know what is next for you until you let go of where you are, or what you have.

I am very happy with what I have, since satori, but then I was pretty happy with what I had before that.  Not so much before that though. 

I&apos;ve had psychic experiences since the age of one, and visions since the age of three.  So I&apos;ve been at this pretty much my whole life, over 50 years, and it has continually developed along the way. 

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I thought about this and the religion of Zen Buddhism seems to have grown out and away from Hinduism because of a belief that Nirvana is a trap.

The Hindus believe that Nirvana is permanent and you become immortal.  Zen Buddhists believe that Satori frees you from the recycling of reincarnation, but that nothing can be considered permanent.

Fortunately, an eternity only takes a moment.

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There could be a Trap of Nirvana.


The thing about traps is that if you accept them, or become attached to them, you go no further in your spiritual development until you let go of them.


Osho in particular, in his writings, referenced another state beyond Satori, Nirvana, or whatever one may call it, and he claimed to have attained that state of being.  I do not remember what he called it. 


I guess there is no way to know what is next for you until you let go of where you are, or what you have.


I am very happy with what I have, since satori, but then I was pretty happy with what I had before that.  Not so much before that though. 


I&apos;ve had psychic experiences since the age of one, and visions since the age of three.  So I&apos;ve been at this pretty much my whole life, over 50 years, and it has continually developed along the way. 

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How do you let go of where you are if it is continually developed along the way? I called it a state of &apos;not knowing&apos;. Next? Why are you worried about what is next for you? What do you have since &apos;satori&apos;? "
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How do you let go of where you are if it is continually developed along the way? I called it a state of &apos;not knowing&apos;. Next? Why are you worried about what is next for you? What do you have since &apos;satori&apos;?
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This site is about Zen Buddhism.  If you want to depart from that, its set up so that you can say anything, Buddhist, Aetheist, whatever.  I don't argue with that.  If you want to repudiate Zen Buddhist beliefs, thats okay, but dont expect your aetheist views to become the accepted standard here.

After Satori I have 'understanding', exactly as is according to Zen Buddhist principles.  If you care to read Herrigel's The Method of Zen, about what can be expected before and after Satori, that is exactly what has occured with me. 

Its been going on for hundreds of years.  But just because its been happening to hundreds of people for hundreds of years doesnt mean you have to believe in it.

If there is more, a next, I guess I will find out in due time. 

When I was a boy, I tried to push away metaphysical experiences.  They were intrusive, and told me things I didnt want to know or believe.  It always seemed to be bad news. 

Then later I came to depend on these 'warnings'.  Then to meditate.  Then a very rich meditative existence grew, in addition to my life here.  And then Satori came unexpectedly.  And now I am not only not afraid to die, I am also not concerned with the prospect of ceasing to exist, which I would consider inconsequential. 

And life is much easier and better when you have acceptance of your universal will, rather than the needs and demands of your personal will.

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Then later I came to depend on these &apos;warnings&apos;.  Then to meditate.  Then a very rich meditative existence grew, in addition to my life here. 

"in addition to" ?

And then Satori came unexpectedly.  And now I am not only not afraid to die, I am also not concerned with the prospect of ceasing to exist, which I would consider inconsequential. 

what is thought to "ceasing to exist" ?

And life is much easier and better when you have acceptance of your universal will, rather than the needs and demands of your personal will.

"will" ?

 

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What is the Nature of the universe- its origin and structure?
I`t reflects itself from smallest to biggest (and is constantly moving.)

What is the essential nature of Man?
"Snakes head, dragons tail" with a cherry on top.

What is the basis of Morality and ethics?
Prejudice and arrogance.

What is the cause of evil and suffering?
Ignorance.

what happens to man at death?
He die.

what is the meaning of history?
Whatever people find meaningful.
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Then later I came to depend on these &apos;warnings&apos;.  Then to meditate.  Then a very rich meditative existence grew, in addition to my life here. 

"in addition to" ?

And then Satori came unexpectedly.  And now I am not only not afraid to die, I am also not concerned with the prospect of ceasing to exist, which I would consider inconsequential. 

what is thought to "ceasing to exist" ?

And life is much easier and better when you have acceptance of your universal will, rather than the needs and demands of your personal will.

"will" ?

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don....no such thing as a universal will.

their is your own personal will which is another name for the attention.

dont worry about the ego. its a word.

cmon don.........you make it more complex then what it is.

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Then later I came to depend on these &apos;warnings&apos;.  Then to meditate.  Then a very rich meditative existence grew, in addition to my life here. 

"in addition to" ?

And then Satori came unexpectedly.  And now I am not only not afraid to die, I am also not concerned with the prospect of ceasing to exist, which I would consider inconsequential. 

what is thought to "ceasing to exist" ?

And life is much easier and better when you have acceptance of your universal will, rather than the needs and demands of your personal will.

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don....no such thing as a universal will.

their is your own personal will which is another name for the attention.

dont worry about the ego. its a word.

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Quote: "Is this where it ends then? Now look here, you stated an avowed aim to help because you helped a couple of others. Then, it got watered down to trying to help. And then you fell in a trap-hole you dug and kept on digging. So, I have made two requests for material help which appear to have fallen on deaf ears. Now, am I to assume that the help I requested will not be forthcoming? And if not, why not? Oh and will you explain how you are able to communicate that which you cannot experience? Thank you for your close attention at all times. "
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My, I'm at a loss for words.

Sorry, no lifesaver will be tossed to you from the goodship Asheera.  How long can you tread water?

I have come to believe that the help, whatever it may be, can only come from Buddha itself.  Its just happenstance that I was there when a couple of others met Buddha.  Mere coincidence.  I really have no help to offer.  Thanks for your kind attention.

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Quote: "Is this where it ends then? Now look here, you stated an avowed aim to help because you helped a couple of others. Then, it got watered down to trying to help. And then you fell in a trap-hole you dug and kept on digging. So, I have made two requests for material help which appear to have fallen on deaf ears. Now, am I to assume that the help I requested will not be forthcoming? And if not, why not? Oh and will you explain how you are able to communicate that which you cannot experience? Thank you for your close attention at all times. "
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My, I&apos;m at a loss for words.

Sorry, no lifesaver will be tossed to you from the goodship Asheera.  How long can you tread water?

I have come to believe that the help, whatever it may be, can only come from Buddha itself.  Its just happenstance that I was there when a couple of others met Buddha.  Mere coincidence.  I really have no help to offer.  Thanks for your kind attention.

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My, I'm at a loss for words.


Sorry, no lifesaver will be tossed to you from the goodship Asheera.  How long can you tread water?


I have come to believe that the help, whatever it may be, can only come from Buddha itself.  Its just happenstance that I was there when a couple of others met Buddha.  Mere coincidence.  I really have no help to offer.  Thanks for your kind attention.


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