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Posted on Aug.10.2009 @ 11:40PM EDT by chontri
Accept my words only when you have examined them for yourselves;
do not accept them simply because of the reverence you have for me.
Those who only have faith in me and affection... continue...

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		Posted on Feb.21.2008 @ 10:44PM EDT by boymonk Where has the Wood Man gone, long time passing, where has the wood man gone, play squirrels, play!
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Reply from 77 zen ror Feb.22.2008 08:16PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		Hay Wood were are you. 77 Zen ror LQQking to say whats going on. Hi BOOM . hOW R U.
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Reply from ______ Feb.23.2008 09:44AM EDT		Oh wood man, they yearn for you, tragically.
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Reply from -----0 Feb.24.2008 07:45AM EDT		he must be in somewhere in the Woods, where else could he be?
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Reply from ______ Feb.24.2008 10:49AM EDT		Oh yes, I see him - he's gathering nuts for his dependents. They call from their shelter. "What has happened to the nuts. Please, give us our nuts. Why does he not return with the nuts?"
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Reply from ______ Feb.25.2008 02:00PM EDT		Forgive us our daily nuts.
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Reply from peridot Feb.25.2008 04:33PM EDT →Email peridot		snow is falling on a bench malachi constant is dead oh
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Reply from peridot Feb.25.2008 04:33PM EDT →Email peridot		snow is falling on a bench malachi
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Reply from peridot Feb.25.2008 04:33PM EDT →Email peridot		snow is falling on a bench malachi constant
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Reply from peridot Feb.25.2008 04:33PM EDT →Email peridot		snow is falling on a bench malachi constant is
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Reply from boymonk Feb.25.2008 06:12PM EDT		<------------------\ blink? /------------------->
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.25.2008 07:59PM EDT		<+++++++++++++++++++++++ T-----------------------------------------------> <+++++++++++++++++++++++_ ----------------------------------------------->
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.25.2008 11:54PM EDT		Zzzzoonnggg!!
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.26.2008 01:26PM EDT		Right when I think of why the boy-oh-boymonk would write me, I look outside and a red squirrel pops out from the middle of a tree. Out of nowhere! Oh, there was a branch there once, and he was inside of the hallow trunk. And it's a beech tree, so it's still standing, strong one. Kind of like me, but, no I wasn't, just another pretty a tree, balding is not cute. So, yeah, I can see why he's still cornfused. I have a corn feeder on the red oak. Goes round and round, like me. So the squirrels are just fine. Now I have to go out and cut some wood.
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Reply from ______ Feb.26.2008 02:14PM EDT		Cornfused thoughts are furry, moving and thinking in electron clusters, spinning the squirrel wheel - light into matter.
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.26.2008 07:18PM EDT		I had the coolest dream last night, only I can't describe it. I think it was last night. Ah, I don't know. What's for supper?
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Reply from 77 zen ror Feb.26.2008 07:35PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		Hope all is well with you. RORY
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.26.2008 07:37PM EDT		Hi Rory, All is well. Have been letting go of some deep seated anger recently, by using honesty.
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Reply from 77 zen ror Feb.26.2008 09:09PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		Wow man I see I'm not the only doing the same thing. Be good to your self.
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.26.2008 09:56PM EDT		Yes, that is the way. By giving quality attention to each thought, listening to each caring attempt at connecting, the anger of feeling cheated out of attention vanishes. What makes that resolve possible has taken so long, but the rewards of a true way are immediately felt and produce a deeper remembrance to unfold like a flower. The attempts at relating it are not my strengths, because it goes much further than what I can ever say. The reward is not in convincing anyone with words, convincing without words would feel far more real. Oh well... back to wood carving. I can't keep my hands off the stuff. My hands say what my words cannot. l speak in woods.
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Reply from 77 zen ror Feb.26.2008 11:21PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		The love and compassion of speaking with out words. My the wood be a fine pices of wood. For all the world to see and enjoy.
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.26.2008 11:57PM EDT		It is how I see the world. How I make the world into an image. Nothing too complicated, but soothing as to help in any small way into the light, to bring the light in through the wooden window, a light from within. Because it is the warmth in the touch, the care in the approach of one for another, one after another, that translates out, into the larger darkness, that space where everyone needs to become whole, to fit back into the whole, world again. So, the attention I give in one place has to translate out into another, even if it is in silence it reaches. What happens in silence, joins us as one, no words to divide. Let me see, I join wood pieces together, to form the connection, to something otherwise ignored and forgotten. What we might feel like as being found again, as being born, from within, as light.
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.27.2008 12:24AM EDT		Accepting what we would, or could otherwise reject erases the duality. It is felt, in the connection, the connection is back on. Rejection separates, as anger forces away any union, with anything as one. The teacher themselves teach through rejection, but may be the only one speaking, the listening is the acceptance, one acceptance. And the listening through silence is going through the rejection of silence.
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Reply from 77 zen ror Feb.27.2008 03:38PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		Thank you my good man. Have a Zen day.
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Reply from shayne Feb.28.2008 10:36PM EDT →Email shayne		woahhhhhhhhhhhhh you dont make no sense. too deep.
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Reply from A_Pict Feb.28.2008 11:12PM EDT		To not make no sense is to make sense. Is it not?
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.29.2008 09:21AM EDT		It is if you desire something else all the time. Hungry ghosts live well.
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Reply from ______ Feb.29.2008 09:28AM EDT		I make sense.
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Reply from ______ Feb.29.2008 10:57AM EDT		Here's one: Silence is a mirror.
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.29.2008 01:42PM EDT		Here's two: I am. A Mirage.
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Reply from ______ Feb.29.2008 02:39PM EDT		A lightning conductor, earthed by heaven.
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.29.2008 03:14PM EDT		Or antenna, an ear of God, listening to the sound, of one hand clapping.
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.29.2008 03:39PM EDT		Nirvana resides within Samsara, as a capacity of all awakening. What opens is Nirvana, opening out to Samsara. What opens each day as a beginning is Nirvana opening in Samsara. But Samsara cannot realize this through a self-separate nonunited duality where any seeing is born in opposition. Nirvana is not opposed to Samsara, but unified, and unifying, until each exists as one to the other, but not counting any separate experience as a number.
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Reply from shayne Feb.29.2008 09:16PM EDT →Email shayne		still dont make no sense.
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Reply from Woodsman Feb.29.2008 11:07PM EDT		It doesn't? And that's ok. Unity in all domains whether known, or unknown.
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Reply from Teweret Mar.01.2008 11:54AM EDT →Email Teweret		The Woodman looked for spring to find his roots. Then old leaves would leave. The future is green and juicy. Where is man in the wood of everyday life? Just look in the mirror with no reflection. There you can see the Woodman passing by.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.01.2008 12:07PM EDT		All I see Woman.
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Reply from lehish Mar.01.2008 04:01PM EDT →Email lehish		hhhhhhh
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.01.2008 10:04PM EDT		Down the hall and to the right, or left.
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Reply from lehish Mar.01.2008 10:46PM EDT →Email lehish		for what ?
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.01.2008 11:55PM EDT		patience
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Reply from lehish Mar.02.2008 01:28AM EDT →Email lehish		ok :)
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.02.2008 08:36AM EDT		And a lesson in doing for others, as one would for self. It's circular. You know, the other morning after I left work for the ride home, I looked out to the east, the sun was rising, just enough to see the whole thing. And in the opposite direction the moon was setting, also fully whole. I mean, it was one of those connecting sights that correlated both inner and outer realities. And the bigger picture of what it means to be alive was there to grasp, in silence. I don't remember what day it was, doesn't matter, for the event has past, dropped, except for the very vivid memory. And that memory serves a much higher purpose than just to serve my needs, or our needs to see, to awaken. It gives importance to all that is around and inside of us, and has been there for a very long time, before me, during, and after my thought. So, with the knowledge of my relative finiteness, I adopt an attitude of being in awe of so much more that is beyond my control, even in this place, here on these boards, one may consider it beyond the domain of linear logic, and just look at the whole, which means connecting to the body again, as if being born again each new day, for the sake of the other, what up until this point has been either illogical, or unacceptable, or rejected. Does this make sense to Shayne? Because, that is really where it is at, in the eyes, in seeing through the eyes, from another.
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Reply from shayne Mar.02.2008 09:27AM EDT →Email shayne		now your making a little sense. haha
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.02.2008 10:54AM EDT		Ok, so if I am, Shayne, what was down the hallway and to the right, or left? It's not that hard, is it? Don't think so much, that's a clue. Oh shit. That's another one. But a different direction? I think not, therefore I am not?
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.02.2008 11:30AM EDT		1001, 1002, 1003... 10,000 ways, to see, but, only one way, to be, me.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.02.2008 06:58PM EDT		Love, is not measured by what we can't do, say, feel or think. But the feeling portion is the most important part, because that is where the validation of the intention comes into play, the absolution liberates the heart, the flow. For love is innocent, and holds no barriers up as to what is right and wrong. Love, has no fear, no enemies, no longer loses, anything, to another. Winning friends or enemies, is a game, where one conquests over a peak, and shines for some moment of ecstasy for others to see, as if union beyond the limitations of the flesh were only possible through another's example. And more could be said, but...
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Reply from shayne Mar.02.2008 09:34PM EDT →Email shayne		Quote: "Ok, so if I am, Shayne, what was down the hallway and to the right, or left? It's not that hard, is it? Don't think so much, that's a clue. Oh shit. That's another one. But a different direction? I think not, therefore I am not? " ......... im just a simple man. dont think i think too much.
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Reply from shayne Mar.02.2008 09:59PM EDT →Email shayne		I think not, therefore I am not? what makes YOU assume this? that which looks for the basis of reality is the reality. that which looks for the truth is the truth. we make these morals and laws to live by. human beings. your attention is your self to a point. the real you changes constantly. the real constant. every thought, every action, every word, every feeling. whats os BAD about thinking anyway? assumptions and bad zen.
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Reply from shayne Mar.02.2008 10:08PM EDT →Email shayne		even what we pay attention too changes....but the attention NEVER changes.
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Reply from shayne Mar.02.2008 10:12PM EDT →Email shayne		Quote: "Love, is not measured by what we can't do, say, feel or think. But the feeling portion is the most important part, because that is where the validation of the intention comes into play, the absolution liberates the heart, the flow. For love is innocent, and holds no barriers up as to what is right and wrong. Love, has no fear, no enemies, no longer loses, anything, to another. Winning friends or enemies, is a game, where one conquests over a peak, and shines for some moment of ecstasy for others to see, as if union beyond the limitations of the flesh were only possible through another's example. And more could be said, but... " ......... i quess i could agree with this..........still too deep for my understanding though.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.02.2008 11:23PM EDT		Quote: " Quote: "Love, is not measured by what we can't do, say, feel or think. But the feeling portion is the most important part, because that is where the validation of the intention comes into play, the absolution liberates the heart, the flow. For love is innocent, and holds no barriers up as to what is right and wrong. Love, has no fear, no enemies, no longer loses, anything, to another. Winning friends or enemies, is a game, where one conquests over a peak, and shines for some moment of ecstasy for others to see, as if union beyond the limitations of the flesh were only possible through another's example. And more could be said, but... " ......... i quess i could agree with this..........still too deep for my understanding though. " ......... Good thing I stopped when I did.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.02.2008 11:24PM EDT		Quote: "even what we pay attention too changes....but the attention NEVER changes." ......... Absolutely.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.02.2008 11:25PM EDT		Quote: " I think not, therefore I am not? what makes YOU assume this? that which looks for the basis of reality is the reality. that which looks for the truth is the truth. we make these morals and laws to live by. human beings. your attention is your self to a point. the real you changes constantly. the real constant. every thought, every action, every word, every feeling. whats os BAD about thinking anyway? assumptions and bad zen. " ......... I can't wash my mind, with more words.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.02.2008 11:31PM EDT		Quote: " Quote: "Ok, so if I am, Shayne, what was down the hallway and to the right, or left? It's not that hard, is it? Don't think so much, that's a clue. Oh shit. That's another one. But a different direction? I think not, therefore I am not? " ......... im just a simple man. dont think i think too much. " ......... me too, I'm just a chimp, pointing at the moon, cuz chimps can't speak "eep eep?" Ok, I have to make sense for my chimp. I think he wants to know if the moon is edible. Smart hungry little monkey he is.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.02.2008 11:40PM EDT		I can't believe you people never have asked where the bathroom is before. Outside, take a left or right, doesn't matter. If you're not in a building made of stone.
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Reply from A_Pict Mar.03.2008 12:26AM EDT		Benjo-wa doko deska? I'm not Japanese, but I'm told it's the most important phrase a tourist should learn :)
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Reply from lehish Mar.03.2008 12:37AM EDT →Email lehish		Quote: "I can't believe you people never have asked where the bathroom is before. Outside, take a left or right, doesn't matter. If you're not in a building made of stone. " ......... maybe people didn't need to bathroom
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.03.2008 07:07AM EDT		Quote: " Quote: "I can't believe you people never have asked where the bathroom is before. Outside, take a left or right, doesn't matter. If you're not in a building made of stone. " ......... maybe people didn't need to bathroom " ......... Are you serious? I can pee on any request. Plus, I wasn't being literal. Peeing is being, relieved. Unless you are Shayne, then being is like being, down the hall, and to the right, or left, ... Over.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.03.2008 07:11AM EDT		Quote: "Benjo-wa doko deska? I'm not Japanese, but I'm told it's the most important phrase a tourist should learn :) " ......... I'm there! As here, dar, and everywaar.
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Reply from lehish Mar.03.2008 08:36AM EDT →Email lehish		maybe people didn't need to bathroom " ......... Are you serious? I can pee on any request. Plus, I wasn't being literal. ...... wasn't literal either...there's peeing when peeing, not before nor after
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.03.2008 09:28AM EDT		Quote: " maybe people didn't need to bathroom " ......... Are you serious? I can pee on any request. Plus, I wasn't being literal. ...... wasn't literal either...there's peeing when peeing, not before nor after " ......... Fine, then there's a bakery down the hall. Enjoy.
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Reply from ______ Mar.03.2008 09:33AM EDT		The Hall of Always.
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Reply from ______ Mar.03.2008 09:50AM EDT		The Hallways of Always.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.03.2008 02:59PM EDT		Release what needs to be released. Up, down, in, out... that is all.
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Reply from lehish Mar.03.2008 03:43PM EDT →Email lehish		Quote: "Release what needs to be released. Up, down, in, out... that is all. " ......... release hallways ;)
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.03.2008 05:12PM EDT		Quote: " Quote: "Release what needs to be released. Up, down, in, out... that is all. " ......... release hallways ;) " Yes, within your inner self. Releasing the pain, anger, greed, and fear. And finding, a guiding light, which manifests as a leading guide, of approval. In complete love, held within, by a complete love. .........
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Reply from shayne Mar.03.2008 07:25PM EDT →Email shayne		love is the inner light which succeds the outer properties of the infinit loveablenesss. hahahahaahhahahahahha
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Reply from lehish Mar.04.2008 01:31AM EDT →Email lehish		HeHeHe H
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Reply from ______ Mar.04.2008 08:43AM EDT		Don't believe the lies of your pain.
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Reply from lehish Mar.04.2008 08:57AM EDT →Email lehish		Quote: "Don't believe the lies of your pain." ......... don't believe the lies of your assumptions
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Reply from ______ Mar.04.2008 09:03AM EDT		oops, you already have done did.
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Reply from ______ Mar.04.2008 09:05AM EDT		Perhaps it has something to do with your looking for proof of your belief that an assumption or interpretation can be incorrect.
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Reply from lehish Mar.04.2008 09:20AM EDT →Email lehish		Quote: "Perhaps it has something to do with your looking for proof of your belief that an assumption or interpretation can be incorrect." no, but you did post assuming there was believing lies of pain as if were certain there was
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Reply from ______ Mar.04.2008 11:05AM EDT		Ah, I did no such thing. But I did have to make a trip into town (I'm back), where I could have been amazed at the (show of conspicuous) purchasing power. As it was, I couldn't buy all the things I need.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.05.2008 02:25PM EDT		I am an apple Take of me and eat it
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.05.2008 02:59PM EDT		Women are so easy to love. All of them, are us.
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Reply from boymonk Mar.05.2008 03:02PM EDT		Lol, just figured out I had Woodsy on my ignor list. Boy do I feel stupid. There's two other posters on it also, but I don't think they post anymore...uh, but maybe they do.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.05.2008 03:10PM EDT		Be quiet and eat your apple! Or just put it on the ignore list, and eat cake instead.
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Reply from boymonk Mar.05.2008 03:15PM EDT		What're you the frigg'n queen of France now?
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.05.2008 03:17PM EDT		bow wow
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Reply from 77 zen ror Mar.06.2008 07:08PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		Wow for after all this. The love for all people. To see the best ting we carry in are hearts. The love to be love and give love. But most of all with the 8 fold pand 4 noble turth. Just love your self. Give your self the love you need to get trougt the day. Give kindness to all things. See all life with the eyes of compassion. 8 fold path. Rory
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Reply from 77 zen ror Mar.06.2008 07:08PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		Wow for after all this. The love for all people. To see the best ting we carry in are hearts. The love to be love and give love. But most of all with the 8 fold pand 4 noble turth. Just love your self. Give your self the love you need to get trougt the day. Give kindness to all things. See all life with the eyes of compassion. 8 fold path. Rory
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Reply from ______ Mar.07.2008 09:46AM EDT		woof-woof, you carry it, them, 8 fodder piths and 4Q ignoble turths to get you out of the troughs and into the day?
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.07.2008 03:14PM EDT		What is the significance of every moment? Is it possible so see connection, to feel connected to everything, every experience, even pain, and not repel off into denial or repulsion? Even these questions produce a shut down, a turning away from the truth, because we haven't learned to live with the truth, as ugly as it is, until it loses some of it's opposition to who we see ourselves to be, or are becoming into. We all have ugliness within, fears, cowardice, anger, negative judgments. And out of the negative emotions, we come to value some as acceptable over others. Consider war to we an acceptable form of retribution, of course as long as it is "over there" and not inside ourselves that the warring takes place. One can even consider our relationships with animals to have a connectedness, especially if we begin to see them as having a dynamic relationship, firstly with an environment that we scarcely tolerate, unless it serves the purpose of giving us the basics, of food, warmth, and the ability to be mobile.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.07.2008 03:16PM EDT		Consider what makes a mistake bad.
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Reply from ______ Mar.07.2008 05:03PM EDT		Quote: "What is the significance of every moment? Is it possible so see connection, to feel connected to everything, every experience, even pain, and not repel off into denial or repulsion? Even these questions produce a shut down, a turning away from the truth, because we haven't learned to live with the truth, as ugly as it is, until it loses some of it's opposition to who we see ourselves to be, or are becoming into. We all have ugliness within, fears, cowardice, anger, negative judgments. And out of the negative emotions, we come to value some as acceptable over others. Consider war to we an acceptable form of retribution, of course as long as it is "over there" and not inside ourselves that the warring takes place. One can even consider our relationships with animals to have a connectedness, especially if we begin to see them as having a dynamic relationship, firstly with an environment that we scarcely tolerate, unless it serves the purpose of giving us the basics, of food, warmth, and the ability to be mobile. " ......... The significance of every moment is truth. Seeing myself as something to be or becoming, learning to live with truth, thinking I should change into someone I would like to be, is ignorance. We can't give each other something we already are. I am connected so I don't waste energy looking for blame; I respond, I empathise, I don't react to chaos feedback. In empathy, I is interweaving with not-I. 'Awfulising', that is to say, 'Oh how awful for you' isn't empathy. It looks like empathy but it's really an illusion of meaning. As for scarcely tolerating an environment, I have no idea what you mean.
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Reply from ______ Mar.07.2008 05:07PM EDT		Quote: "Consider what makes a mistake bad. " ......... Have you worked that one out yet?
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.07.2008 05:18PM EDT		Quote: "Quote: "Consider what makes a mistake bad. " ......... Have you worked that one out yet?" ......... I could say I have, or am, it's on ongoing process, because I don't live in a vacuum. At least, I am around people who consider me, worth being around. And I don't want to lecture, anyone, so I keep pretty quiet about it, and just go through the pain, and the fear, and notice the changes, emotionally and physically, I think I'm sensitive to that, which is a good way. It is a good thing not to ignore the body, or to ignore what is considered "negative", primarily within my own thinking. But after that, I just listen.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.07.2008 05:36PM EDT		Quote: "Quote: "What is the significance of every moment? Is it possible so see connection, to feel connected to everything, every experience, even pain, and not repel off into denial or repulsion? Even these questions produce a shut down, a turning away from the truth, because we haven't learned to live with the truth, as ugly as it is, until it loses some of it's opposition to who we see ourselves to be, or are becoming into. We all have ugliness within, fears, cowardice, anger, negative judgments. And out of the negative emotions, we come to value some as acceptable over others. Consider war to we an acceptable form of retribution, of course as long as it is "over there" and not inside ourselves that the warring takes place. One can even consider our relationships with animals to have a connectedness, especially if we begin to see them as having a dynamic relationship, firstly with an environment that we scarcely tolerate, unless it serves the purpose of giving us the basics, of food, warmth, and the ability to be mobile. " ......... The significance of every moment is truth. Seeing myself as something to be or becoming, learning to live with truth, thinking I should change into someone I would like to be, is ignorance. We can't give each other something we already are. I am connected so I don't waste energy looking for blame; I respond, I empathise, I don't react to chaos feedback. In empathy, I is interweaving with not-I. 'Awfulising', that is to say, 'Oh how awful for you' isn't empathy. It looks like empathy but it's really an illusion of meaning. As for scarcely tolerating an environment, I have no idea what you mean." ......... It just seems to me that animals are better adapted to the environment.
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Reply from ______ Mar.07.2008 05:37PM EDT		Responsibility can't be dumped or off-loaded on to A N Other, it's a dance with our own mis-takes: dancing with response-ability.
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Reply from ______ Mar.07.2008 05:41PM EDT		Although some believe (apparently), that animals can be egotistical, I have yet to meet an animal with an ego.
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Reply from 77 zen ror Mar.07.2008 05:48PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		Thank you, I enjoyed that with great compassion. Thanks Wood Man.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.07.2008 05:51PM EDT		Hmm, ok, what I see, is that animals, are considered by humans to be a lesser creation, in that we use them to exist, because of adaptation. And in any person to person interaction, if the other is seen as a lesser, by making mistakes (which can include just about anything as threat), the wall goes up, and the separation occurs. And it is in that separation, that beginning of separateness, that the truth can most honestly be seen. (I just looked up and saw a Buddha statue over the computer, that I have never seen that way before.) I am concerned with the little things that are otherwise ignored, not that I have to say anything.
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Reply from boymonk Mar.07.2008 06:57PM EDT		Speaking of separation, did I mention that I send Ringo to dogy daycare on Wensdays? He get's separation axiety I think, just like the rest of us social creatures. Do they send you out on weekdays, Maria?
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Reply from 77 zen ror Mar.07.2008 07:33PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		I just go to A.A. MEETINGS.
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Reply from 77 zen ror Mar.07.2008 07:33PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		I just go to A.A. MEETINGS.
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Reply from ______ Mar.07.2008 08:02PM EDT		Quote: "Hmm, ok, what I see, is that animals, are considered by humans to be a lesser creation, in that we use them to exist, because of adaptation. And in any person to person interaction, if the other is seen as a lesser, by making mistakes (which can include just about anything as threat), the wall goes up, and the separation occurs. And it is in that separation, that beginning of separateness, that the truth can most honestly be seen. (I just looked up and saw a Buddha statue over the computer, that I have never seen that way before.) I am concerned with the little things that are otherwise ignored, not that I have to say anything. " ......... Human adaptation (behaviour for example), usually but not always, involves making a conscious/aware/responding choice or an unconscious/unaware/reacting choice in order to win the approval of others. Animals adapting to the desires and wants of humans is about subjugation to human will. So listening is far more than just hearing what someone, animal or human, is saying, it involves being aware of the whole of the communication, often being an active part of the whole. Communication means, 'a shared oneness'. True listening is not merely an act of generosity, rather it is an act of courage.
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Reply from A_Pict Mar.07.2008 09:09PM EDT		Ever seen a cat subjugate itself to human will? I haven't. A cat is a cat. It doesn't try to be anything else but a cat and it does not assume that it is anything other than a cat. A cat lives for the moment. The here and now. It doesn't think about or give a hoot about the past as it is past. It doesn't think about or give a hoot about the future as it hasn't happened yet. A cat thinks about it's food (and where it comes from), it's bed, it's environment ("let me out, please"), and it's companionship with other cats. If it chooses to be a companion to a human, then it is a companion. It does need its "alone" time, though... That is my perception about a cat. It may not have much relevance to this thread and it may not be accurate as I am not a cat. It is a perception, nonetheless...
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Reply from ______ Mar.07.2008 09:22PM EDT		In terms of animal adaptation, animals reared for food and even cats, don't subjugate themselves to human will, they are subjugated by human will. And yes, I have personally seen many cats who are subjugated by the will of humans, in scientific research laboratories where, for one reason among many, they are given cancers and routinely used as machines in order to test pharmaceuticals.
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Reply from ______ Mar.07.2008 09:27PM EDT		I've also seen cats who have had the top part of their skulls removed, and kept alive so that scientists can understand how their brains work, how stimulating different parts of their brains produces different responses in their bodies like fear, hunger and fight or flight response.
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Reply from A_Pict Mar.07.2008 09:46PM EDT		It seems you have pulled the trump-card. I concede, sir. However, humans do not stop with animals. Humans subjugate humans, also. The procedures are different to avoid legal ramifications however, the end result is the same. While those performing the subjugation call it "science", "research", or "government", others call it "torture", "meanness", etc... Ants subjugate aphids... or is that more of a symbiotic relationship? Hmm... It seems to be widespread.
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Reply from 9999999 Mar.08.2008 12:40AM EDT →Email 9999999		love: a four-letter word.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.08.2008 09:57AM EDT		love never fails you
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Reply from 77 zen ror Mar.08.2008 03:31PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		For ever ture. And in the end. There is allways love. For love to work it nees to flow. LOVE'YA Man.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.08.2008 03:50PM EDT		Love works by being unopposed.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.08.2008 03:57PM EDT		Love rises from the dead. When I doubt it, it rises instead of me.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.08.2008 04:05PM EDT		Love is not reason. It gets nothing, by giving of itself. It softens every hard edge. It is no object, yet works with such. Love melts every anger, has no time limits in doing such.
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Reply from 77 zen ror Mar.08.2008 04:23PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		Love will find a way.
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Reply from lehish Mar.08.2008 05:02PM EDT →Email lehish		Quote: "Love is not reason. It gets nothing, by giving of itself. It softens every hard edge. " ......... edgeless-lessless
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.08.2008 05:56PM EDT		Quote: "Love will find a way." ......... Love is the way, is never lost.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.08.2008 07:15PM EDT		Love is always new, and as such, does not count the cost, of loss.
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Reply from lehish Mar.08.2008 08:57PM EDT →Email lehish		what loss ?
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.08.2008 09:51PM EDT		what question?
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Reply from lehish Mar.09.2008 01:29AM EDT →Email lehish		Quote: "what question? " ......... ^
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.09.2008 08:40AM EDT		^
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Reply from lehish Mar.09.2008 09:17AM EDT →Email lehish		sh
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.09.2008 11:54AM EDT		s
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Reply from Lynnoh Mar.09.2008 02:42PM EDT →Email Lynnoh		soooo much
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Reply from Lynnoh Mar.09.2008 02:43PM EDT →Email Lynnoh		bathroom
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Reply from Lynnoh Mar.09.2008 02:48PM EDT →Email Lynnoh		what changes
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Reply from ______ Mar.09.2008 06:06PM EDT		Knock-knock! Who's there? No answer.
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Reply from 77 zen ror Mar.09.2008 07:25PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		Love will find a way . It just did. My heart is on fire. I can see the love in your eyes. The love you have is =. To the love you give. Never stop give what is given freely. Love sweet love. What the world needs now.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.09.2008 07:55PM EDT		bathroom? ah, I'm fine.
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Reply from ______ Mar.09.2008 07:58PM EDT		Knock! Knock! Who's there? Tinkle.
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Reply from ______ Mar.09.2008 08:00PM EDT		Knock!! Knock!! Who's there? Flush.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.09.2008 08:00PM EDT		I was fine. bathroom? bedpan.
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Reply from ______ Mar.09.2008 08:03PM EDT		Knock!!! Knock!!! Where's your key? Pardon.
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Reply from ______ Mar.09.2008 08:15PM EDT		Knock!! Knock!! No answer.
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Reply from 77 zen ror Mar.09.2008 08:23PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		Are you growing old that you need a bedpan. Love sweet love.
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Reply from lehish Mar.09.2008 08:35PM EDT →Email lehish		Quote: " My heart is on fire." ......... wonderful !
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.09.2008 08:48PM EDT		wonderful? bedpan? I'm a nurse. All ifs, ands, and butts.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.09.2008 08:50PM EDT		Quote: "Knock!! Knock!! No answer." ......... It's English. Waddya xpect?
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Reply from ______ Mar.09.2008 08:53PM EDT		Deadpan handler.
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Reply from ______ Mar.09.2008 09:01PM EDT		Hmmm...I could toss in some spilling mishes with a few schmiley sprinkles. It could be betterer and realer for ya.
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Reply from ______ Mar.09.2008 09:13PM EDT		Whaddya shay? Huh? Huh? Huh? :))))))))))))))))))))) Aw C'mon - don be like that, work it agner outta inthar in. Syrup wahoo hoo hoooooooo!!
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Reply from ______ Mar.09.2008 09:43PM EDT		Sumpin gotten hold of the heart, taken the place of the lurve become oppo with no missages and no massages, alas?
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.09.2008 10:08PM EDT		Laugh.
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Reply from ______ Mar.09.2008 10:15PM EDT		Yeehaw!! Yep, I'm a-laughin' when I'm a-laughin'.
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Reply from Woodsman Mar.09.2008 10:22PM EDT		Flow.
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Reply from lehish Mar.09.2008 11:30PM EDT →Email lehish		Quote: "wonderful? bedpan? I'm a nurse. All ifs, ands, and butts. " ......... yp wonderful lol
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Reply from 9999999 Mar.10.2008 03:43PM EDT →Email 9999999		ehehehehehehhe
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Reply from 77 zen ror Mar.10.2008 06:16PM EDT →Email 77 zen ror		My all this love find it's way to your heart. Your well like Ode to the wood man. Enjoy.
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Reply from Lynnoh Mar.11.2008 09:27PM EDT →Email Lynnoh		Quote: "patience " ......... remember?
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