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vertical line Posted on Mar.04.2008 @ 11:45AM EDT by stephen
Are you a cause or an effect?  MU
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Reply from 9999999
Mar.04.2008
05:55PM EDT 
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vertical line there is no such thing as "cause," "you," or "effect"


all there is
no escaping it
no room for anything else
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Reply from shayne
Mar.04.2008
06:30PM EDT 
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Quote: "there is no such thing as "cause," "you," or "effect"


all there is
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oh yeah.....then who replies jthabuddHA?

seems youve been misled.

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Mar.04.2008
06:32PM EDT 
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Quote: "there is no such thing as "cause," "you," or "effect"


all there is
no escaping it
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right

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Reply from Snibbler
Mar.04.2008
06:42PM EDT 
vertical line You`re the cause and effect Stephen?..
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Mar.04.2008
06:43PM EDT 
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vertical line nobody.
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Reply from shayne
Mar.04.2008
09:16PM EDT 
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somebody.............YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Mar.04.2008
09:19PM EDT 
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Quote: "there is no such thing as "cause," "you," or "effect"


all there is
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cause and effect are one.

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Mar.04.2008
11:07PM EDT 
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Quote: "nobody. "
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somebody.............YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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what's that made of?
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Mar.04.2008
11:09PM EDT 
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Quote: "there is no such thing as "cause," "you," or "effect"


all there is
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right

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cause and effect are one.

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what are they without that silly metaphor?
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Mar.04.2008
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somebody.............YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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what's that made of?
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what's that made of?
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that which asks is it.

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Mar.04.2008
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Quote: "there is no such thing as "cause," "you," or "effect"


all there is
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cause and effect are one.

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what are they without that silly metaphor?
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what are they without that silly metaphor?
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your cause made my effect.

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Mar.04.2008
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Quote: "there is no such thing as "cause," "you," or "effect"


all there is
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cause and effect are one.

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what are they without that silly metaphor?
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what are they without that silly metaphor?
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its not silly.......but you are.

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Mar.05.2008
12:21AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "

Quote: "there is no such thing as "cause," "you," or "effect"


all there is
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cause and effect are one.

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what are they without that silly metaphor?
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what are they without that silly metaphor?
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its not silly.......but you are.

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guessing just don't know what talking about ~_~
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Mar.05.2008
01:42AM EDT 
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are you guy playing ping-pong...

when the brain rest enough it's start to play ping-pong.... good exercise ...

love, boopoom : )

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Mar.05.2008
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are you guy playing ping-pong...

when the brain rest enough it's start to play ping-pong.... good exercise ...

love, boopoom : )

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Mar.05.2008
02:17AM EDT 
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vertical line ;D piiiiiiiiiiiiiing

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Mar.05.2008
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vertical line I cause the apples to grow, and they are effected by my present taste.
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Reply from ______
Mar.05.2008
10:05AM EDT 
vertical line Either / or questions hold a fascination for either / or people. Republican or Democrat. Drunk or sober. Lush or teetotal. Culprit or victim. With us or against us.....ad nauseam.

Special fx: We are the architects of our own pain, the effect we visit on others; we are a promotion of our own cause when we advertise our idiot-status.
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Reply from stephen
Mar.05.2008
12:23PM EDT 
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There is no independent arising.

Karma is related to cause and effect.

Are you the cause of your karma or the effect of your karma? MU

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Mar.05.2008
01:34PM EDT 
vertical line All action has a consequence - here and now - the consequence is simultaneous with the action.
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Mar.05.2008
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yes--so it isnt anything in particular apart from it all
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Reply from Woodsman
Mar.05.2008
02:17PM EDT 
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vertical line Beyond cause and effect is unity consciousness.
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Reply from boymonk
Mar.05.2008
03:11PM EDT 
vertical line I'm feel'n a bit ineffectual today so guess that defaults me to being causal. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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Mar.05.2008
03:12PM EDT 
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vertical line That is, you isn;'t. Ignore list!!!
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Reply from lehish
Mar.05.2008
03:27PM EDT 
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no 'cause-effect' except to thought

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Reply from boymonk
Mar.05.2008
03:42PM EDT 
vertical line Nice thought! Heheyaeeya
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Mar.05.2008
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vertical line Jesus, that's a big One.
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Reply from boymonk
Mar.05.2008
03:59PM EDT 
vertical line It's classic Hume. Critique of pure horse hocky anyone?
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Mar.05.2008
04:15PM EDT 
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Quote: "Nice thought! Heheyaeeya"
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'casuse-effect' is a nice thought ?

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Mar.05.2008
04:17PM EDT 
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Quote: "It's classic Hume. Critique of pure horse hocky anyone?"
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What was "classic Hume" ?

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Mar.05.2008
04:25PM EDT 
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What was "classic Hume" ?

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An effect.
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Mar.05.2008
04:26PM EDT 
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'casuse-effect' is a nice thought ?

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Effectively.
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Reply from lehish
Mar.05.2008
05:02PM EDT 
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Mar.06.2008
08:08AM EDT 
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no 'cause-effect' except to thought

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Yes cause-effect, no exceptions.
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Mar.06.2008
08:11AM EDT 
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no 'cause-effect' except to thought

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Yes cause-effect, no exceptions.
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all life is an exception.
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Mar.06.2008
08:13AM EDT 
vertical line All stones smell of soil, especially the broken ones.
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Reply from Woodsman
Mar.06.2008
08:21AM EDT 
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vertical line forgiveness  is an exception, not just sorrow, but healing as unity, the coming of One, or second coming

Who's on first.

You are.

No, Who is.

I am.

You are.

What?

On first.

Who?

Yeah.

What?

On second.

What's on second?

Yeah.

Well, Who's on third?

No.

Oh.
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Mar.06.2008
08:42AM EDT 
vertical line Corner-stone.
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Reply from Woodsman
Mar.06.2008
09:57AM EDT 
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vertical line Reject nothing.
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Mar.06.2008
07:15PM EDT 
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vertical line Hold on to nothing. Breath in Breath out.
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Mar.07.2008
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Do you mean 'Reject no thing' as in 'Don't reject anything'? Or, are you saying, 'Reject nothing' (a thing) as in 'Reject everything'?
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Mar.07.2008
09:01AM EDT 
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Are you holding on to everything because you want nothing?
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Mar.07.2008
09:04AM EDT 
vertical line Er...holding on to nothing because you don't want nothing?
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Mar.07.2008
09:06AM EDT 
vertical line Um....holding on to anything because you don't want nothing?
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Mar.07.2008
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vertical line Er...um...holding on to something because you want everything?
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