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vertical line Posted on Mar.10.2008 @ 02:26AM EDT by eohdao
What's the reason for the buddha being depicted with right foot on top of left leg and left hand holding right hand, and zazen guides saying you should do it the other way around?
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Reply from A_Pict
Mar.10.2008
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From Zen Meditation In Plain English by John Daishin Buksbazen:

"Once you've seated yourself upon the zafu, place your right foot on your left thigh and the left foot on the right (or vice-versa if more comfortable.)"

"The mudra requires the left hand to be uppermost, since we are subordinating the active principle of the right to the receptive principle of the left. In iconography, conversely, buddhas and bodhisattvas are shown with the right uppermost, indicating their liberating activity."

This is, however, only one interpretation. Take it for what it's worth.

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Reply from ______
Mar.10.2008
09:13AM EDT 
vertical line It's interesting the tugs we respond to. And how the 'right' way of doing things is perpetuated, instilling a kind anxiety that 'I must get this right before......' - onr can always rely on the one asking for help to give you someone else's answers. There are those people and buddhas who cannot sit in the full-lotus position or the half-lotus position or the burmese position, or kneel, stand, lie or walk for any length of time yadda yadda yadda. Guides that say you should do this or that this way or the other way are only giving the mind something to worry about, something else to become addicted to. If you can sit, sit. And as far as gurus, anti-gurus, self-help wallahs and books are concerned, take the best and leave the rest. Because it's all nonsense.
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Reply from A_Pict
Mar.10.2008
12:18PM EDT 
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As I stated before, 'Take it for what it's worth.'

A question was asked. I attempted to answer it. Yes, I used someone else's words. Was that wrong? Was it meant to be a definitive answer? No. There are no definitive answers.

I was expecting others to offer their input.

Guides, manuals, etc. were written for those of us who don't have access to a 'teacher'. For many of us who are just starting out, they are, momentarily,  our only resource. A child learns to speak by mimicking other people's words. Later, when that child grows up, it developes its own speach.

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Reply from ______
Mar.10.2008
01:25PM EDT 
vertical line Guides, manuals and suchlike are written to make money. What are you seeking in guides, manuals and suchlike?
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Reply from 9999999
Mar.10.2008
03:41PM EDT 
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vertical line what trying to get that don't already have?
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Reply from eohdao
Apr.01.2008
02:50AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "It's interesting the tugs we respond to. And how the 'right' way of doing things is perpetuated, instilling a kind anxiety that 'I must get this right before......' - onr can always rely on the one asking for help to give you someone else's answers. There are those people and buddhas who cannot sit in the full-lotus position or the half-lotus position or the burmese position, or kneel, stand, lie or walk for any length of time yadda yadda yadda. Guides that say you should do this or that this way or the other way are only giving the mind something to worry about, something else to become addicted to. If you can sit, sit. And as far as gurus, anti-gurus, self-help wallahs and books are concerned, take the best and leave the rest. Because it's all nonsense. "
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Damn, I'm becoming anxious because I know I was worrying about something that doesn't really matter and now I'm thinking I shouldn't have worried and I'm doing it all wrong. And now I'm thinking I will never find The Way.
I kinda like knowing some things, though... And I think I kinda didn't suffer.
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Reply from 9999999
Apr.01.2008
03:20AM EDT 
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Damn, I'm becoming anxious because I know I was worrying about something that doesn't really matter and now I'm thinking I shouldn't have worried and I'm doing it all wrong. And now I'm thinking I will never find The Way.
I kinda like knowing some things, though... And I think I kinda didn't suffer.
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sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hehehehehe

the thought that "i will never find the way" is the only thing obstructing the obviousness onlyness of whatever it is "you" are apparently looking for.

there is only an idea of a separate individual that can do or have or need anything

all apparent confusion has root in that idea of an individual---yet, the individual has no root anywhere.  "long ago" "you" were told that you were someone who had things to do.  the idea of a "myself" is acquired second hand knowledge. dont agree with this.  all above is gibberish, phony bologna, g@rb@ge. 

without thinking, what is known now? 
if you say "nothing is known" a cat will pee on you
if you say "i know I am only" a cat will pee on you



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Reply from kelvintan
Apr.01.2008
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Quote: "Quote: "It's interesting the tugs we respond to. And how the 'right' way of doing things is perpetuated, instilling a kind anxiety that 'I must get this right before......' - onr can always rely on the one asking for help to give you someone else's answers. There are those people and buddhas who cannot sit in the full-lotus position or the half-lotus position or the burmese position, or kneel, stand, lie or walk for any length of time yadda yadda yadda. Guides that say you should do this or that this way or the other way are only giving the mind something to worry about, something else to become addicted to. If you can sit, sit. And as far as gurus, anti-gurus, self-help wallahs and books are concerned, take the best and leave the rest. Because it's all nonsense. "
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Damn, I'm becoming anxious because I know I was worrying about something that doesn't really matter and now I'm thinking I shouldn't have worried and I'm doing it all wrong. And now I'm thinking I will never find The Way.
I kinda like knowing some things, though... And I think I kinda didn't suffer.
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It is okay Even One Has Doubts. Advices Offered by Rustic is the best and leave the rest.

It don't matter so long as your are comfortable.

With Metta

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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.01.2008
03:56PM EDT 
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Apr.01.2008
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vertical line As long as you know your self.
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Reply from Snibbler
Apr.01.2008
06:46PM EDT 
vertical line I liked jthabuddHA`s response... at least the part about pissing! Sounded rather "heavy advanced", kinda, pee is cool! Yeah!:)
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Reply from Snibbler
Apr.01.2008
06:49PM EDT 
vertical line And zen should be "not understandable" or something like that! Yeah!:)
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Reply from Snibbler
Apr.01.2008
06:49PM EDT 
vertical line Ok, I`m a moron an proud of it, yeah!:)
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Reply from Snibbler
Apr.01.2008
06:51PM EDT 
vertical line Can`t come up with another posting, nothing to say, yeah!:)
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Reply from lehish
Apr.01.2008
07:47PM EDT 
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Apr.01.2008
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Reply from 9999999
Apr.01.2008
08:49PM EDT 
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Apr.01.2008
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vertical line A lost mine. he he he. Go fine your self. come back to us.
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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.01.2008
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vertical line there's a poosy cat in hair somewhers
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Reply from ______
Apr.03.2008
08:12AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "It's interesting the tugs we respond to. And how the 'right' way of doing things is perpetuated, instilling a kind anxiety that 'I must get this right before......' - onr can always rely on the one asking for help to give you someone else's answers. There are those people and buddhas who cannot sit in the full-lotus position or the half-lotus position or the burmese position, or kneel, stand, lie or walk for any length of time yadda yadda yadda. Guides that say you should do this or that this way or the other way are only giving the mind something to worry about, something else to become addicted to. If you can sit, sit. And as far as gurus, anti-gurus, self-help wallahs and books are concerned, take the best and leave the rest. Because it's all nonsense. "
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Damn, I'm becoming anxious because I know I was worrying about something that doesn't really matter and now I'm thinking I shouldn't have worried and I'm doing it all wrong. And now I'm thinking I will never find The Way.
I kinda like knowing some things, though... And I think I kinda didn't suffer.
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Congratulations, you're the one and only.
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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.03.2008
10:45AM EDT 
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within it, never dies
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Reply from eohdao
Apr.04.2008
01:43AM EDT 
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vertical line I was kinda kidding. Hehe. I really don't care. I was just messing with the one who told me I was doing it wrong because i was caring. Mu. But I do care about the right and left. Why does society invent such crazy things. Where did the idea of leftness and rightness meaning these different things come from?
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Reply from 9999999
Apr.04.2008
02:42AM EDT 
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vertical line the body doesnt care about rightness or leftness

only ideas say that things have to be a certain way

the idea that one has to become something

"if only i could sit a certain way THEN i would be _______ "

not a thing has to be done in order to just be

to replace current ideas with new ideas is common

drop all ideas--drop the idea that there are ideas to drop--drop the idea that "you" had ideas to begin with--drop dropping

just be as-you-are (as if anything else can be done, hehe)

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Reply from ______
Apr.04.2008
09:38AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "I was kinda kidding. Hehe. I really don't care. I was just messing with the one who told me I was doing it wrong because i was caring. Mu. But I do care about the right and left. Why does society invent such crazy things. Where did the idea of leftness and rightness meaning these different things come from? "
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Kinda caring or kidding?  Hehe. Who is the one who told you that you were doing it wrong?  People invent things and concepts like right and left in order to communicate with each other and be understood.  Society appropriates the people, the concepts and the things, creating ideals, which it then promotes as norms or attainable perfections to the individual, depending on which fiction is the accepted one.   Your thoughts are not your own, they belong to society.  So, we think society's thoughts, feel society's feelings, experience society's experiences.  

Why can't you [generic sense of 'you'], leave your sensations be?  Why the constant translation of sensation?  Because if you don't continually communicate with yourself you aren't there and this is frightening to the 'you' and society.

Thoughts are thoughts, they are not good, they are not bad.  However, wanting and thinking are the same thing - wanting to understand how to become something different is movement of thought - movement away from your natural state.  As long as you want to change the 'you', the 'you' will continue. There is nothing you can do to achieve any kind of state of understanding, peace or awareness - meditation won't do it, right and left hands and feet won't do it because awareness is when you don't know what you are looking at.

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Reply from Snibbler
Apr.04.2008
09:43AM EDT 
vertical line Allready drained, so no problem whatever is posted above.
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Reply from eohdao
Apr.04.2008
11:47AM EDT 
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vertical line This is all very well. But I kinda don't care (and I kinda care, yes.) about thinking and not thinking. 
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Reply from ______
Apr.04.2008
12:07PM EDT 
vertical line Is it?  What is?  Who cares?  Who's the one doing it right, telling it doing it wrong?  Kinda messing a missmashmess?  hehe? BingoLimbo!
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Apr.04.2008
12:47PM EDT 
vertical line Who cares?.. (Yeah! Cool answer! There might be much wisdom in looking twice at that first sentence and.. Just messing with you, you`ve read it right, I don`t give a flying F... for my part. Not you`re fault, just me being in a crappy mood right now, so I`ll pass the cheap laughs I might have gotten from this by fooling you into thought ponder and nagging
some poor poster that really don`t care. (any answer would have made a good candidate). Who cares? Who gives a shit , Gblah..
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Apr.05.2008
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Reply from eohdao
Apr.07.2008
01:34AM EDT 
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vertical line Oh, crap. I give up. Cheers!
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Apr.07.2008
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vertical line Hooray! Hurrah! Huzzah!
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Reply from lehish
Apr.07.2008
04:43PM EDT 
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Quote: "awareness is when you don't know what you are looking at
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvuAyWcitGk

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