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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: FEAR OF REALISING THE ONENESS OF BEING...
vertical line Posted on Mar.13.2008 @ 07:22AM EDT by -Agape-

Hi guys,

I have been getting glimpses of the oneness of being through my studies of Buddhism, Hinduism and psychedelic followers. I have actually had sharp glimpses into the onesness, and realised the Hindu notion of I being God. Sometimes it feels wonderful but other times I get really afraid. I often fluctuate between feeling wonderful about this and having terrifying bouts of nihilistic pessimism. Its as if my mind knows that the natural state of being is bliss yet my ego is fearful of taking the 'leap of faith' as I get sudden pangs to the effect of 'what if I accept this and think I am God and cease to play by the rules of 'society' and do something crazy'; things like that.

I understand this 'rationally' as merely my ego clinging for security yet the fear still does not abate and I have as yet been unable to 'take the leap' for extended periods as I get fearful and seek solace in the security of my ego once again.

As I think about it more, if I were to accept this notion fully, then if the Oneness was me, then rather than suddenly becoming cut off from others and want to do something silly which would incur my (ego) to be persecuted, I would instead feel as though everything was me and thus feel more in tune and connected with others and the whole world than ever before and thus there would be no 'me vs them' just one being.

All the same Im still trying to figure this out so if some others could help me along in my thoughts it would be nice, thanks.


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Reply from 9999999
Mar.13.2008
12:32PM EDT 
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Hi guys,

I have been getting glimpses of the oneness of being through my studies of Buddhism, Hinduism and psychedelic followers.

who? what is "I" made of?

I have actually had sharp glimpses into the onesness, and realised the Hindu notion of I being God.

having a glimpse of to what-"you"-already-are?

Sometimes it feels wonderful but other times I get really afraid.

says who?

I often fluctuate between feeling wonderful about this and having terrifying bouts of nihilistic pessimism.

exactly. these feelings come and go-- if fireworks of enlightenment come dont take it personally, if you stub your toe and scream dont take it personally.  experiences are phenomenal and have no effect on what-you-are-when-you-are-not. 

 Its as if my mind knows that the natural state of being is bliss yet my ego is fearful of taking the 'leap of faith' as I get sudden pangs to the effect of 'what if I accept this and think I am God and cease to play by the rules of 'society' and do something crazy'; things like that. I understand this 'rationally' as merely my ego clinging for security yet the fear still does not abate and I have as yet been unable to 'take the leap' for extended periods as I get fearful and seek solace in the security of my ego once again.

what is "mind"? there is no such thing.  ego isnt real--why make it leap over anything?


As I think about it more, if I were to accept this notion fully, then if the Oneness was me, then rather than suddenly becoming cut off from others and want to do something silly which would incur my (ego) to be persecuted, I would instead feel as though everything was me and thus feel more in tune and connected with others and the whole world than ever before and thus there would be no 'me vs them' just one being.

that's how it already is whether "you" like it or not.

All the same Im still trying to figure this out so if some others could help me along in my thoughts it would be nice, thanks.

"the more you think about it, the more you talk about it, the less you know.  stop thinking, stop talking, and there is nothing you will not know."


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Reply from shayne
Mar.13.2008
08:48PM EDT 
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its ok to think.

pay attention for the attention is the mind.

control your mind.

dont stop your thoughts. observe your thoughts. they come from you.

these ideas of having no mind are false.

PAY ATTENTION !

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Reply from shayne
Mar.13.2008
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their is NOTHING to understand except life which you have been paying attention to for years.

the attention is the self to a point.

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Reply from Snibbler
Mar.13.2008
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vertical line Easy now, move along, move along!. Nothing to see here, move on folks, it`s over. Shooo!:)
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Reply from Woodsman
Mar.13.2008
10:13PM EDT 
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vertical line Cheater!

oops...

I mean "Meeahh hhahh!!"
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Mar.13.2008
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Quote: "Easy now, move along, move along!. Nothing to see here, move on folks, it`s over. Shooo!:) "
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yep.......thats how it is snibbler.

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Mar.14.2008
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vertical line Leave snibbler out of this.
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Mar.14.2008
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Probably what you have been experiencing is known in Buddhism as "Kensho".

Suggest you do some reading on that.  It could happen to you many times .

I remember once I was having Kensho and a friend asked if I was one with the universe, I guess because of my faraway gaze.  I answered, "Man, I am the universe."  But the feeling went away and I was quite normal again, for a while.

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Reply from ______
Mar.14.2008
09:24AM EDT 
vertical line Probably what you have been experiencing is thought. Life without thought (no thinker, no mind, etc etc) is the living state.
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Mar.14.2008
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Quote: "Probably what you have been experiencing is thought. Life without thought (no thinker, no mind, etc etc) is the living state."

mind is. was and always will be.

thought is was and always will be.

wake up!

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Mar.14.2008
09:51AM EDT 
vertical line Wake up to your own mirage. Thought is an infiltrator interpreting sense-data for profit.
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Mar.14.2008
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Quote: "Wake up to your own mirage. Thought is an infiltrator interpreting sense-data for profit. "
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YOUR against your own thoughts?

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Mar.14.2008
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Mar.14.2008
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Probably what you have been experiencing is known in Buddhism as "Kensho".


Suggest you do some reading on that.  It could happen to you many times .


I remember once I was having Kensho and a friend asked if I was one with the universe, I guess because of my faraway gaze.  I answered, "Man, I am the universe."  But the feeling went away and I was quite normal again, for a while.

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How did you know about your 'faraway gaze'? How did you know you were 'having kensho'? How do you experience silence? How do you experience a thoughtless state?
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Reply from ______
Mar.14.2008
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Mar.14.2008
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Mar.14.2008
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Reply from Woodsman
Mar.14.2008
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vertical line The imagination carries more truth than the conscious mind.

Even working with your hands, this here, is more honest than the desire to fill the senses.
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Reply from 77 zen ror
Mar.14.2008
07:04PM EDT 
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vertical line 8 fold path. 4 noble truth. Don't try to do so much at once.
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Reply from ______
Mar.14.2008
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vertical line We can't know when the senses are functioning without translation, without the interpreter of thought, the middle-man brain reactor, desire or (culturally conditioned) imagination, because then there would be no knowledge that they are sensations.
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Mar.14.2008
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vertical line Quote: "8 fold path. 4 noble truth. Don't try to do so much at once. "
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Fantasy.
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Mar.14.2008
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vertical line Quote: "We can't know when the senses are functioning without translation, without the interpreter of thought, the middle-man brain reactor, desire or (culturally conditioned) imagination, because then there would be no knowledge that they are sensations."
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:D
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Reply from shayne
Mar.14.2008
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Probably what you have been experiencing is known in Buddhism as "Kensho".

Suggest you do some reading on that.  It could happen to you many times .

I remember once I was having Kensho and a friend asked if I was one with the universe, I guess because of my faraway gaze.  I answered, "Man, I am the universe."  But the feeling went away and I was quite normal again, for a while.

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your NOT the universe.

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Mar.15.2008
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Probably what you have been experiencing is known in Buddhism as "Kensho".

Suggest you do some reading on that.  It could happen to you many times .

I remember once I was having Kensho and a friend asked if I was one with the universe, I guess because of my faraway gaze.  I answered, "Man, I am the universe."  But the feeling went away and I was quite normal again, for a while.

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your NOT the universe.

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Say that to the pineal gland.. :
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Mar.15.2008
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vertical line (Sorry, that post was way to cool:) Just learned a new word, love to hear anyones opinion abouth pineal gland if they are into dissecting brains in their spare time and such..:)
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Mar.15.2008
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vertical line F*ck, that sounded to friendly again.mmm, are there no undo function, editing possibilities like deleting postings or something?
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Mar.15.2008
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vertical line Oh, sorry. Just talk,ing to myself. You know how it is.
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Mar.15.2008
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vertical line Hmmmm Misspelled talking, bet it means something. While I "cough"  meditate on that, YOU can check out THIS dude!:)
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Mar.15.2008
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Probably what you have been experiencing is known in Buddhism as "Kensho".

Suggest you do some reading on that.  It could happen to you many times .

I remember once I was having Kensho and a friend asked if I was one with the universe, I guess because of my faraway gaze.  I answered, "Man, I am the universe."  But the feeling went away and I was quite normal again, for a while.

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your NOT the universe.

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Yes I am, boy.  Show more respect for your elders.

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Mar.15.2008
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Quote: "The imagination carries more truth than the conscious mind.

Even working with your hands, this here, is more honest than the desire to fill the senses.
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Einstein said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge."

I doubt that he meant that in a Zen Buddhist way, but it fits.

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Mar.15.2008
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Mar.15.2008
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Quote: "(Sorry, that post was way to cool:) Just learned a new word, love to hear anyones opinion abouth pineal gland if they are into dissecting brains in their spare time and such..:) "
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ah.............with biploar i do believe its overactive.

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Mar.15.2008
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Probably what you have been experiencing is known in Buddhism as "Kensho".

Suggest you do some reading on that.  It could happen to you many times .

I remember once I was having Kensho and a friend asked if I was one with the universe, I guess because of my faraway gaze.  I answered, "Man, I am the universe."  But the feeling went away and I was quite normal again, for a while.

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your NOT the universe.

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Yes I am, boy.  Show more respect for your elders.

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im sorry...your not goofball.

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Mar.15.2008
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Quote: "(Sorry, that post was way to cool:) Just learned a new word, love to hear anyones opinion abouth pineal gland if they are into dissecting brains in their spare time and such..:) "
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ah.............with biploar i do believe its overactive.

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makes you think your god and such,,,,have special powers. ect....

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hehe it can seem weird talking to friendly people.
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Reply from -----0
Mar.16.2008
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vertical line Agape, trying to give all this a sense is in fact spoiling it. Oneness is just another concept. What you call glimpses into oneness get spoiled when you start working on it. We tend to go from diversity to oneness, following by nothingness and arriving again at diversity as it is. But let us drop these concepts. Trust your own experience and don't try to make it into a theory.
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Mar.16.2008
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vertical line Chrip chriip?...
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Mar.18.2008
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I know who really is, and we are all THAT, so I know who I really am, since there is nothing else. And I know who you really are too.   But go with your own experiences on that, as I will with mine.   

The little ego-self that I know as me is just a puppet for the Buddha that really is.  Just because you are only a character in the play doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.

I'm fine with that. 

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Oh, you know what Shayne, I think I responded to something you didn't say.

A friend of mine told me why people go off their medication.  He said, "When I'm on my medication, everyone likes me but I don't like myself.  When I go off my medication, no one likes but I like myself.  And also, when you have been on your meds for a while going off of them is like getting high.  Its like you have superhuman powers."

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Oh, you know what Shayne, I think I responded to something you didn't say.

A friend of mine told me why people go off their medication.  He said, "When I'm on my medication, everyone likes me but I don't like myself.  When I go off my medication, no one likes but I like myself.  And also, when you have been on your meds for a while going off of them is like getting high.  Its like you have superhuman powers."

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