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vertical line Posted on Mar.14.2008 @ 09:52AM EDT by shayne

thought you were gonna read some crap about no mind here eh?

quess again.

the attention is real. the self is real. YOU are real.

no such thing as oneness.

their is no universal will..........prove it.

no mind...HA!

ego....HA!

wake up zen guide people.


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Mar.14.2008
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vertical line You will never be free from thoughts because life and thought are not separate.
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Mar.14.2008
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vertical line No self; no mind; no no-mind (conceptual). And yet in (zen) and other methods of meditation you are using the mind to free yourself from the mind and stop thought: mind is what you are doing to free yourself from the mind and thought.
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Mar.14.2008
10:52AM EDT 
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Quote: "You will never be free from thoughts because life and thought are not separate. "
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i dont WANT to be free from thought.

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Mar.14.2008
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Quote: "No self; no mind; no no-mind (conceptual). And yet in (zen) and other methods of meditation you are using the mind to free yourself from the mind and stop thought: mind is what you are doing to free yourself from the mind and thought."
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too complex. mind is simple. the attention is where it lies.

'WHO said to free your mind and such crap?

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Mar.14.2008
11:12AM EDT 
vertical line Why do you meditate?
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Mar.14.2008
11:19AM EDT 
vertical line Is "free your mind" and "free yourself from the mind" the same thing?
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Reply from Woodsman
Mar.14.2008
01:12PM EDT 
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vertical line The mind is in "work mode" again today, no thoughts of words as priest, as lords, only the subtle awareness of interpretation working around the rough edges, and opening to the gift of reaching back, reaching in to find Self identity as interbeing in all.
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Reply from 9999999
Mar.14.2008
01:25PM EDT 
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vertical line who cares?


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Mar.14.2008
01:31PM EDT 
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Reply from nevermore
Mar.14.2008
01:47PM EDT 
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vertical line what you say is true.  it is also false....i find it funny that a zen based website has a "discussion forum."  i suppose some discussion is essential.  don't get caught by it..........
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Mar.14.2008
01:50PM EDT 
vertical line Free Willy!
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Mar.14.2008
01:52PM EDT 
vertical line Boing!!!
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Mar.14.2008
01:56PM EDT 
vertical line zipper the doo dah
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Mar.14.2008
01:56PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "what you say is true.  it is also false....i find it funny that a zen based website has a "discussion forum."  i suppose some discussion is essential.  don't get caught by it.......... "
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funny?
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Reply from ______
Mar.14.2008
02:04PM EDT 
vertical line Can't find.....uh....mind.....uh.......must find.....mind...must find ...mind.....velcro mind zipper....before velcro mind zipper horror find me....wanting mind finder's fee.
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Mar.14.2008
02:17PM EDT 
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vertical line The dogs know the routine, I go 13 miles on the bike in back and then walk them outside to warm down. Water is streaming off the roof's snow melt. A smile comes back to my face, as the dogs check in, that waiting open-eyed gaze. A shadow sweeps across the sunny white field, out across the pines changing the value of color green.

I arise
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Mar.14.2008
02:29PM EDT 
vertical line Eureka!!! I is a dickhead.
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Mar.14.2008
03:13PM EDT 
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vertical line 13.1 miles, and a 2# water loss.

I come out to the front room, and lecture the 2 dogs on the denial of death.

They know the routine.

I cool down, and drink up.

sit still, breathe

heart rate slows back again, into the 50's

like my age
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Reply from shayne
Mar.14.2008
07:52PM EDT 
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Quote: "Why do you meditate?"
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why DONT you meditate?

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Mar.15.2008
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "what you say is true.  it is also false....i find it funny that a zen based website has a "discussion forum."  i suppose some discussion is essential.  don't get caught by it.......... "
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funny?
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of course. depending on one's point of view, all things can be funny. laughing is no different from crying. crying is laughing, laughing is crying.  hate is love, love is hate. questions only arise when one leans toward division.
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Mar.15.2008
07:19AM EDT 
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Quote: "The dogs know the routine, I go 13 miles on the bike in back and then walk them outside to warm down. Water is streaming off the roof's snow melt. A smile comes back to my face, as the dogs check in, that waiting open-eyed gaze. A shadow sweeps across the sunny white field, out across the pines changing the value of color green.

I arise
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Ahhhhhh!

Its been 14 years now since I escaped from my cubicle in DC and came to live in a small seaside town on Puget Sound.  Very rural.  Also lots of wooded areas on my peninsula.

I love my dog.  She's my sweetie.  And she loves to go for walks, on the beach, in the woods, everywhere.

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Mar.15.2008
08:43AM EDT 
vertical line Amazing.
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Mar.15.2008
08:44AM EDT 
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why DONT you meditate?

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What do you think is not-doing now?
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Mar.15.2008
10:07AM EDT 
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why DONT you meditate?

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What do you think is not-doing now?"
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What do you think is not-doing now?
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ok.....HUH?

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Mar.16.2008
09:25AM EDT 
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I arise
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You arise.
Rustic abiding.
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Mar.16.2008
09:43AM EDT 
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Reply from juliocm
Oct.19.2008
06:26PM EDT 
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vertical line its not that were using our mind to escape our mind. we are merely using the ability of our minds to find the true mind that hides behind the many delussions of what most consider the real world. I express this thought not to instigate argument or to set my self as one that knows but to simply try to simplify an unecessarly complicated subject.
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Reply from 9999999
Oct.19.2008
07:22PM EDT 
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vertical line we can only talk about this because we read these terms somewhere
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.20.2008
07:19AM EDT 
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There is only one reality.

Therefore there is only one mind.

Therefore all is oneness.

Just look around. Dont think about it. See it. One thing. Reality.

No mind is not crap. Your vocab is crap at the moment. By calling it crap you are trying to take a spekky(the spectacular mark of a football in Aussie rules Footy) on the back of others so that you dont feel stupid or crappy about your own ingorance(meaning that you are choosing to ignore certain things for whatever reason).

You offend. Why? Addict!!

No mind is a term used to explain/describe something. You are taking it literally even though you have had this said to you before.

Why dont you look into what 'no-mind' means.

It does not mean that there is no mind.

Just like emptyness. It does not mean that you can pour water into a solid stone

 because it is empty.

Relax Shayne.

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Reply from shayne
Oct.20.2008
10:18AM EDT 
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if i relax any further ill collapse.

relax about what?

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.20.2008
05:55PM EDT 
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if i relax any further ill collapse.

relax about what?

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Yes. Relax about 'what'. What is everywhere.

I reckon that you are missing something.

I reckon that you are missing knowing this paradox. How it is a paradox.

Maybe your knowing paradox as a word at this stage and not as an experience.

Relax Shayne.

In the meantime.

Dont meditate. Just sit and look at the world. Dont worry about whatever thoughts float in and out. Eventually you will give up the racing mind and then you may see something.

But you must be siiting and looking with the eyes open. Its sitting. Not meditation.

OK brawler. 

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Oct.20.2008
06:06PM EDT 
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vertical line i think i think you think you reckon many things
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Oct.20.2008
07:06PM EDT 
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if i relax any further ill collapse.

relax about what?

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Yes. Relax about 'what'. What is everywhere.

I reckon that you are missing something.

I reckon that you are missing knowing this paradox. How it is a paradox.

Maybe your knowing paradox as a word at this stage and not as an experience.

Relax Shayne.

In the meantime.

Dont meditate. Just sit and look at the world. Dont worry about whatever thoughts float in and out. Eventually you will give up the racing mind and then you may see something.

But you must be siiting and looking with the eyes open. Its sitting. Not meditation.

OK brawler. 

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i dont have racing thoughts.

and what exactly am i missing?

nothing.

ha!

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Oct.20.2008
07:58PM EDT 
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Reply from immortal 1
Oct.21.2008
07:58AM EDT 
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Quote: "what you say is true.  it is also false....i find it funny that a zen based website has a "discussion forum."  i suppose some discussion is essential.  don't get caught by it.......... "
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Our old friend Muga would agree with you, "It is good for the mind to have thoughts, but not for the thoughts to have the mind."

He left the forum some time ago, saying it made no sense to discuss zen.

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Oct.21.2008
09:59AM EDT 
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Quote: "what you say is true.  it is also false....i find it funny that a zen based website has a "discussion forum."  i suppose some discussion is essential.  don't get caught by it.......... "
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Our old friend Muga would agree with you, "It is good for the mind to have thoughts, but not for the thoughts to have the mind."

He left the forum some time ago, saying it made no sense to discuss zen.

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then how to explain zen? haha

your a wobba don.

do you know what a wobba is?

its a word i made up to describe the nonverbal reality.

its also a word i use to replace other words.

reality isnt words....thats for sure....but it is part....a small part.

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Oct.21.2008
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Quote: "what you say is true.  it is also false....i find it funny that a zen based website has a "discussion forum."  i suppose some discussion is essential.  don't get caught by it.......... "
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Our old friend Muga would agree with you, "It is good for the mind to have thoughts, but not for the thoughts to have the mind."


He left the forum some time ago, saying it made no sense to discuss zen.

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I don't agree.
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Oct.22.2008
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Quote: "what you say is true.  it is also false....i find it funny that a zen based website has a "discussion forum."  i suppose some discussion is essential.  don't get caught by it.......... "
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Our old friend Muga would agree with you, "It is good for the mind to have thoughts, but not for the thoughts to have the mind."


He left the forum some time ago, saying it made no sense to discuss zen.

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I don't agree."
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I don't agree.
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Personally I do not think it matters one way or another.

The forum is here, and sometimes I am here.  I am not here to gain anything, or to offer anything.  It is nothing to me if others benefit or not from what is found here.  I have found quite a few nuggets of thought here that I have found valuable. I pick them up and put them in my bag of tricks. That is reason enough to come back, from time to time.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Oct.22.2008
09:14AM EDT 
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So Shayne, hows your discovery of the non-literal comprehension of no-mind going?

Hows paradox going?

How are you going?

Or like they say down under, owyagoin.

Or are you gone already?

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Oct.22.2008
10:06AM EDT 
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So Shayne, hows your discovery of the non-literal comprehension of no-mind going?

Hows paradox going?

How are you going?

Or like they say down under, owyagoin.

Or are you gone already?

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well.........words are used to define what is. what is is the nonverbal.

paradox?

to me paradox equates confusion.

how im i going? great! yourself?

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Quote: "what you say is true.  it is also false....i find it funny that a zen based website has a "discussion forum."  i suppose some discussion is essential.  don't get caught by it.......... "
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Our old friend Muga would agree with you, "It is good for the mind to have thoughts, but not for the thoughts to have the mind."



He left the forum some time ago, saying it made no sense to discuss zen.


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I don't agree."
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I don't agree.
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Personally I do not think it matters one way or another.


The forum is here, and sometimes I am here.  I am not here to gain anything, or to offer anything.  It is nothing to me if others benefit or not from what is found here.  I have found quite a few nuggets of thought here that I have found valuable. I pick them up and put them in my bag of tricks. That is reason enough to come back, from time to time.

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That's right. Your bag of tricks.
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Quote: "what you say is true.  it is also false....i find it funny that a zen based website has a "discussion forum."  i suppose some discussion is essential.  don't get caught by it.......... "
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Our old friend Muga would agree with you, "It is good for the mind to have thoughts, but not for the thoughts to have the mind."



He left the forum some time ago, saying it made no sense to discuss zen.


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I don't agree.
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Personally I do not think it matters one way or another.


The forum is here, and sometimes I am here.  I am not here to gain anything, or to offer anything.  It is nothing to me if others benefit or not from what is found here.  I have found quite a few nuggets of thought here that I have found valuable. I pick them up and put them in my bag of tricks. That is reason enough to come back, from time to time.

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zenguide gives you an outlet for entertainment and to smell your own farts
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Oct.23.2008
04:45AM EDT 
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Quote: "what you say is true.  it is also false....i find it funny that a zen based website has a "discussion forum."  i suppose some discussion is essential.  don't get caught by it.......... "
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Our old friend Muga would agree with you, "It is good for the mind to have thoughts, but not for the thoughts to have the mind."



He left the forum some time ago, saying it made no sense to discuss zen.


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Personally I do not think it matters one way or another.


The forum is here, and sometimes I am here.  I am not here to gain anything, or to offer anything.  It is nothing to me if others benefit or not from what is found here.  I have found quite a few nuggets of thought here that I have found valuable. I pick them up and put them in my bag of tricks. That is reason enough to come back, from time to time.

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zenguide gives you an outlet for entertainment and to smell your own farts"
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zenguide gives you an outlet for entertainment and to smell your own farts
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Sure.  Especially if you can WiFi in a phone booth.

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Oct.23.2008
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Oct.23.2008
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