thought you were gonna read some crap about no mind here eh?

quess again.

the attention is real. the self is real. YOU are real.

no such thing as oneness.

their is no universal will..........prove it.

no mind...HA!

ego....HA!

wake up zen guide people.

Quote: "You will never be free from thoughts because life and thought are not separate. "
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i dont WANT to be free from thought.

Quote: "No self; no mind; no no-mind (conceptual). And yet in (zen) and other methods of meditation you are using the mind to free yourself from the mind and stop thought: mind is what you are doing to free yourself from the mind and thought."
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too complex. mind is simple. the attention is where it lies.

'WHO said to free your mind and such crap?

Quote: "Why do you meditate?"
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why DONT you meditate?

Quote: "The dogs know the routine, I go 13 miles on the bike in back and then walk them outside to warm down. Water is streaming off the roof's snow melt. A smile comes back to my face, as the dogs check in, that waiting open-eyed gaze. A shadow sweeps across the sunny white field, out across the pines changing the value of color green.

I arise
"
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Ahhhhhh!

Its been 14 years now since I escaped from my cubicle in DC and came to live in a small seaside town on Puget Sound.  Very rural.  Also lots of wooded areas on my peninsula.

I love my dog.  She's my sweetie.  And she loves to go for walks, on the beach, in the woods, everywhere.

ok.....HUH?

There is only one reality.

Therefore there is only one mind.

Therefore all is oneness.

Just look around. Dont think about it. See it. One thing. Reality.

No mind is not crap. Your vocab is crap at the moment. By calling it crap you are trying to take a spekky(the spectacular mark of a football in Aussie rules Footy) on the back of others so that you dont feel stupid or crappy about your own ingorance(meaning that you are choosing to ignore certain things for whatever reason).

You offend. Why? Addict!!

No mind is a term used to explain/describe something. You are taking it literally even though you have had this said to you before.

Why dont you look into what 'no-mind' means.

It does not mean that there is no mind.

Just like emptyness. It does not mean that you can pour water into a solid stone

 because it is empty.

Relax Shayne.

if i relax any further ill collapse.

relax about what?

Yes. Relax about 'what'. What is everywhere.

I reckon that you are missing something.

I reckon that you are missing knowing this paradox. How it is a paradox.

Maybe your knowing paradox as a word at this stage and not as an experience.

Relax Shayne.

In the meantime.

Dont meditate. Just sit and look at the world. Dont worry about whatever thoughts float in and out. Eventually you will give up the racing mind and then you may see something.

But you must be siiting and looking with the eyes open. Its sitting. Not meditation.

OK brawler. 

i dont have racing thoughts.

and what exactly am i missing?

nothing.

ha!

Quote: "what you say is true.  it is also false....i find it funny that a zen based website has a "discussion forum."  i suppose some discussion is essential.  don't get caught by it.......... "
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Our old friend Muga would agree with you, "It is good for the mind to have thoughts, but not for the thoughts to have the mind."

He left the forum some time ago, saying it made no sense to discuss zen.

then how to explain zen? haha

your a wobba don.

do you know what a wobba is?

its a word i made up to describe the nonverbal reality.

its also a word i use to replace other words.

reality isnt words....thats for sure....but it is part....a small part.

Personally I do not think it matters one way or another.

The forum is here, and sometimes I am here.  I am not here to gain anything, or to offer anything.  It is nothing to me if others benefit or not from what is found here.  I have found quite a few nuggets of thought here that I have found valuable. I pick them up and put them in my bag of tricks. That is reason enough to come back, from time to time.

So Shayne, hows your discovery of the non-literal comprehension of no-mind going?

Hows paradox going?

How are you going?

Or like they say down under, owyagoin.

Or are you gone already?

well.........words are used to define what is. what is is the nonverbal.

paradox?

to me paradox equates confusion.

how im i going? great! yourself?

Sure.  Especially if you can WiFi in a phone booth.