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  One day the Buddha was asked by the naked ascetic Kassapa:
-Master Gotama, is suffering created by oneself?
The Buddha replied:
-Not so, Kassapa.
-Then, is suffering created by another?
-Not so, Kassapa.
-Then,... continue...

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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: THOUGHT RESTRAINT?
vertical line Posted on Apr.14.2008 @ 09:46AM EDT by glorymind
"To attain enlightenment, it is not necessary to abandon family life, quit your job, become a vegetarian, practice asceticism, flee to a quiet mountain top, or enter a ghost cave of dead Zen to entertain your subjective imaginings. If you have been practicing quiet meditation but your mind is still not calm and free when in the midst of activity, this means your haven't been empowered by your quiet meditation. Furthermore, if you have been practicing quietude just to get rid of agitation, then when your are practicing quietude just to get rid of agitation, then when your are in the midst of agitation, the agitation will disturb your mind just as if you had never done any quiet meditation.

When you are studying Zen, as you meet with people and deal with situations, never allow bad thoughts to continue. If a bad thought arises, immediately focus your attention and root the thought out. If, however, you just follow the thought unhindered, this will not only make it impossible to have any insight into your own true nature it will also make you a fool.

Good and bad come from you own mind. But what do you call your own mind, apart from your actions and thoughts? Where does your mind come from? If you really know where your own mind comes from, boundless obstacles caused by your own actions will be cleared all at once. After seeing that, all sorts of extraordinary possiblities will come to you without your seeking them."

Chan Master Dahui Zonggao

So, root out thoughts that your mind thinks are bad? Isn't 'bad' something that should be rooted out?


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Reply from 9999999
Apr.14.2008
06:33PM EDT 
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vertical line who is disturbed by thought?
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Reply from Snibbler
Apr.14.2008
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vertical line Quote: "So, root out thoughts that your mind thinks are bad? Isn't 'bad' something that should be rooted out? "
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Hepp. And if you`re eye sees evil, for God`s sake throw it out!
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Reply from Snibbler
Apr.15.2008
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vertical line But, but if the mind is bad, how can we recognize something as bad?.. And, and..  never mind. Mmmmhh... listen..
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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.15.2008
04:10PM EDT 
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vertical line Just use silence.
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Apr.15.2008
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vertical line See the heart of the Buddha's Teaching.
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Reply from Woodsman
Apr.16.2008
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vertical line And stay out of tents.
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Reply from stephen
Apr.16.2008
11:42AM EDT 
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vertical line Many question are not answered with short verbiage. The question of  "good"  and "Bad or evil" in terms of Buddhism is one of them. Please see http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma5/goodevil.html
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Reply from kelvintan
Apr.16.2008
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 Glory  listen.. Only Remember Your Mind Is Not Deluded

 It is now because we create this world out of our own ignorance

With Metta

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Apr.16.2008
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vertical line Give it love.
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Reply from Lionel
Jun.04.2008
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vertical line Can one control the thought at all? Or, can one possibly just watch (note or catch ) the momentary arising intention or instant-thought ? What is thought actually? Thanks! 
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Reply from 9999999
Jun.04.2008
11:57AM EDT 
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vertical line the dream character thinking he is the thinker is part of the dream
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Reply from glorymind
Jun.04.2008
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vertical line Quote: "Can one control the thought at all? Or, can one possibly just watch (note or catch ) the momentary arising intention or instant-thought ? What is thought actually? Thanks! "
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There is the 'preconscious mind'  that prepares related memories for you and makes them available for invocation.

Research on 'thought suppression' has conflicting conclusions, but usually suggests that it doesn't work.

Control being an illusion in a material sense (we are composite creatures). But I'm not sure what that means in 'real' terms.

You live, you learn.

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Jun.04.2008
12:42PM EDT 
vertical line Awareness and acceptance I say:)
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Jun.06.2008
03:40PM EDT 
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Quote: "But, but if the mind is bad, how can we recognize something as bad?.. And, and..  never mind. Mmmmhh... listen.. "
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Gassho

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Jun.06.2008
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vertical line No, I can't grasps.  Do you mean, throw the universe out with the bathwater or something similar?  
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Jun.06.2008
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vertical line Nice weather we're having.
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Jun.06.2008
08:59PM EDT 
vertical line Oh, friggin heatwave over here, frell Gore, its nice:)
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Jun.06.2008
09:03PM EDT 
vertical line Over 20 Celsius :)

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Jun.06.2008
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vertical line (which is extremely good for being this town, usually we have snow blizzards and polar bears still lurching the streets this time of year)
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Jun.07.2008
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Quote: "Over 20 Celsius :)

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where are we Snibbler?

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Jun.07.2008
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vertical line My body is the earth in miniature. My polar caps are melting! Melting, me..lt.ing...

Oh well, I still have a mountain.
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Jun.08.2008
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where are we Snibbler?

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Good question, has felt like we`ve drifted apart lately Lynnoh! Might be good talking things out.
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Reply from shamrock
Jun.10.2008
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vertical line Thinking is pernicious. Voilition should be absent and life accepted as it is, free of any judgement in terms of good or bad, fault or blame. As a story goes, good luck bad luck, who knows! Restraining the mind is using thought.And the mind is too devious and cunning to be overpowered.Forgiveness of the judge, victim and villian in our minds and Silence (watching the breath) is how I believe we can attain, naturally.
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Jun.10.2008
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vertical line Quote: "Thinking is pernicious. Voilition should be absent and life accepted as it is, free of any judgement in terms of good or bad, fault or blame. As a story goes, good luck bad luck, who knows! Restraining the mind is using thought.And the mind is too devious and cunning to be overpowered.Forgiveness of the judge, victim and villian in our minds and Silence (watching the breath) is how I believe we can attain, naturally."
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When is volition present? Hail Mary when she comes.

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Reply from shayne
Jun.10.2008
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thinking is good stuff.

question and ask more questions.

find the answers.

dont be a sloutch.

dont be a wimp.

expect nothing save what others have written unless you can find it yourself.

no mind is for %%@*.

this goes for MOST of zenguide and the no minders.

their wimpy washy.

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Reply from shayne
Jun.10.2008
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let me say it louder.

YOUR WIMPY WASHY !!!!

hahaha.

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Jun.11.2008
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silence is a friend that never betrays. it's also golden. not the silence where we suffer  and pursue the idea of 'poor me'. that's vanity, self glorification. thinking without choiceless awareness is entertainment. and when the mind is noise, then we are asleep. and we'd like to be awake...to the eternal moment 

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silence is a friend that never betrays. it's also golden. not the silence where we suffer  and pursue the idea of 'poor me'. that's vanity, self glorification. thinking without choiceless awareness is entertainment. and when the mind is noise, then we are asleep. and we'd like to be awake...to the eternal moment 

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what garbage
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silence is a friend that never betrays. it's also golden. not the silence where we suffer  and pursue the idea of 'poor me'. that's vanity, self glorification. thinking without choiceless awareness is entertainment. and when the mind is noise, then we are asleep. and we'd like to be awake...to the eternal moment 

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words are used. this silence isnt always good.

time to be silent. time to speak.

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