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  Posted on Aug.20.2009 @ 11:07PM EDT by chontri

Bhikkhus, what is ignorance?
Not knowing suffering,
Not knowing the origin of suffering,
Not knowing the cessation of suffering,
Not knowing the path leading to... continue...

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vertical line Posted on Apr.24.2008 @ 08:31PM EDT by shayne

we have heard of heaven. we have heard of reincarnation. without both jesus and siddhartha what do we have left?

we are faced with the fact that life is life and death is death.

everytime you go to sleep it is the small death.

if they never existed we would have none of these things.


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vertical line Mythin me mythout me.
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at least according to you

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vertical line It's the tryth.
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Apr.24.2008
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Fancy some popcorn?

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Apr.24.2008
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sure

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sure

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What is the taste of death?

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Apr.24.2008
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Quote: "death is prebirth"
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Is life?

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Apr.24.2008
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no-mind

Samadhi

no-question
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Apr.24.2008
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Quote: "no-thought

no-mind

Samadhi

no-question
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no no-thought

no no-mind

no Samadhi

no no-question

Going somewhere?

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Apr.25.2008
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Apr.25.2008
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vertical line Is there a problem with the question or a problem with the questioner?
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"problem" ?

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an honest question from an honest problem
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what problem ?

what is seen as if a problem ?

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vertical line "we have heard of heaven. we have heard of reincarnation. without both jesus and siddhartha what do we have left?"
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The problem [if in doubt, check usage]:

Questioner creating the answer creating the questioner: 'Do you have an answer?'

The question and the questioner are the same. The question is always present because the questioner does not want to stop. So it is in the interests of the questioner not to find the answer - the questioner wants to carry on, continuing, waiting, for the answer, waiting, for a solution.

The person not living asks, "What will happen after my death?"

The real problem is the solution - when the question stops, the questioner ceases to exist.

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Quote: ""we have heard of heaven. we have heard of reincarnation. without both jesus and siddhartha what do we have left?"
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The problem [if in doubt, check usage]:

Questioner creating the answer creating the questioner: 'Do you have an answer?'

The question and the questioner are the same. The question is always present because the questioner does not want to stop. So it is in the interests of the questioner not to find the answer - the questioner wants to carry on, continuing, waiting, for the answer, waiting, for a solution.

The person not living asks, "What will happen after my death?"

The real problem is the solution - when the question stops, the questioner ceases to exist.

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questioning cannot a "questioner"

"questioner" is imagined

"solution' is imagined

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vertical line No self, no problem.
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believing that would require believing there's a self-noself

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vertical line Quote: ""we have heard of heaven. we have heard of reincarnation. without both jesus and siddhartha what do we have left?"
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The problem [if in doubt, check usage]:

Questioner creating the answer creating the questioner: 'Do you have an answer?'

The question and the questioner are the same. The question is always present because the questioner does not want to stop. So it is in the interests of the questioner not to find the answer - the questioner wants to carry on, continuing, waiting, for the answer, waiting, for a solution.

The person not living asks, "What will happen after my death?"

The real problem is the solution - when the question stops, the questioner ceases to exist.

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yes
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yes
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believing that would require believing there's a self-noself

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just pissing into the wind here anyway
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vertical line words spray out of here(fingers/mouth) without beliefs with nothing to actually take the words seriously.

who knows why?
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vertical line Yoh, I don`t!:)
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believing that would require believing there's a self-noself

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just pissing into the wind here anyway
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just pissing into the wind here anyway
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lol

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Quote: ""we have heard of heaven. we have heard of reincarnation. without both jesus and siddhartha what do we have left?"
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The question is always present because the questioner does not want to stop. So it is in the interests of the questioner not to find the answer - the questioner wants to carry on, continuing, waiting, for the answer, waiting, for a solution.

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Questions, questions.

Gimme no answers.

"Jesus", "Siddartha", "Reincarnation", "Heaven", "Life", "Death"

Also, "unconditioned"?

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Apr.26.2008
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vertical line It would have been much better if every
body strongly believed we`d all go straight
to hell! That it was the only death realm,
and we`d all spend eternity in the most
gruesome and horrible of conditions with
no hope of pardon or escape regard-
less of anything we did in this lifetime.

Think about it, it would have been brilliant!
Everybody clinging on to life, sucking every
drop of life juice out of this short moment of
paradise before eternal torment inevitable
awaited!
And funerals would have been so tragic
and depressing that tey`d probably abolish
them altogether. And probably much cool
common phrases like:

"I`f you guys can`t wait to hell it`s you`re
business, but I for my part prefer to use
this short lifetime before eternity to be happy
if U don`t mind, ok?"

Probably bee illegal to whine or be depressing
since we`d all get something to real to whine
and be depressed about soon enough.
Like, how bad could anything be if one knew
this was but a short breathing space before
inevitable excruciating torment awaited for
eternity and beyond forever and then some?..
Yeah, hail Satan, Bush rules!:)
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hahahaah.

yeah.

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Knowing the end: unexciting. But thinking the end: waste of time (a concept like 2+2=4, that you can bring into you mind at any time).

Don't think the idea would affect me much. Future me (in hell) != this me. It's like normal death anyway: something after death that is no longer me.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oVvkNp4GdA

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Apr.28.2008
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vertical line Oooohhh! Almost forgot this one, awesome!:) Eeehh.. I mean, this has some deep profound zenmessagewhatever, something in the waaaayyy, yeeah, dumdidum.. :)
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vertical line Ooooh!.. Aaaaah!... Havn`t heard this in a long time!! Eh.., meaning, this has some deep profound message I think is obvious for anyone reading this tread!

Mr. Moustache

Fill me in on your new vision
Wake me up with indecision
Help me trust your mind and wisdom
Yes I eat cow I am not proud.

Show me how you question, question
Lead the way to my temptations
Take my hand and keep it clean
As I eat cow I am not proud.

Is it an easychair?
Oversized rock
I don't like you anyway
Silver metal box

I'm new
I'm new
(all again, then:)

I'm who?
I'm you--aaaahh! Aaaah!

(Nirvana- Bleach)
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vertical line That was santa U stupid woman, anyway, can you tell Woods "you`re mother!" from me?  Hell understand, i`ts kinda like when we Wikings used to say, "later U ckracsucker eater",
(ckracsucker is this Norvegian animal that live in fjords and are a mixture of cod and jellyfish and squid, also called Krake, and is the official national dinner food and very populare to eat with sugar. Kiss&hug to U Lynnoh. Be back so forth someone don`t kill me.
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Quote: "No care,
No regrets,
just let`s.
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felt "perfect" while  watched

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crisp green tree.."alive"

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