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vertical line Posted on May.03.2008 @ 05:51AM EDT by 9999999
rusty, woods, lehish

what's happening?

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May.03.2008
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vertical line YOU put me in the middle.
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May.03.2008
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vertical line Where is youre God now Jt?!..
Youre all alone.., at zen-forum no one can hear you scream..
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May.03.2008
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vertical line Hello jaytha, it's happening, samadhi's happening.  The old car is legal for another 12 months - 15 years old with [approx] 155,000 miles on the clock - how can I not love that all-in-together-girls commitment?  Everyodby seems to be on holiday, so it's quiet away from the roads. Strummed a few chords, couple of books on the go.  What are you up to in college?
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May.03.2008
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May.03.2008
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vertical line Watched the director's cut of Donnie Darko last night. 
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May.03.2008
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parents expected me to go to college and i just kinda went with it. 
not returning to the university. 
was studying philosophy--but everything presupposes the existence of a "person". 
the whole "mind" that they talk about and the whole human condition they have been trying to figure out (throughout history) is based on that erroneous concept.
 psychology cant help anybody fix their lasting problems because this concept is also presupposed.
decided to have a little fun and deconstruct that concept in my own way for a few term papers and the teacher nearly failed me. 
all in good fun though :P. 
everything that can be studied anywhere leads away from what-you-are.

younger sister has apparently been addicted to heroin for 2 years and told parents.
she's in some rehab facility for another few months or so.
parents (divorced for a long while) are falling apart and going to meetings about recovery etc.
been telling them the good news:
-before "birth" during "life" after "death"--THAT prevails now
-"look at me...now close your eyes.. notice when you closed your eyes you did not lose consciousness.  something is aware when they eyes are open and closed..awareness is ever present(apparent waking, sleeping, and dreaming), eternal, unlimited, no-thing, what-you-are (etc).. nothing has ever been done for awareness to be aware… look for yourself whenever you are moved to, as often as you can… don’t make it about finding some far off mystical state of enlightenment (i used to be looking for it since senior year in HS—so they think that they might also have to go searching for it too and that they really don’t have time for that—“we have to put food on the table!”) just make it about finding the truth for yourself….reminded them that what they are looking for (peace/relief/truth/whatever) is what IS looking.  Reminded them that all understanding comes after seeing the seeing for oneself, and that I would not elaborate on concepts too much because it would be no use to them for me to sow my understanding in them.” Anyway, it goes on with more of the same.. occasionally I remind them that carlee(sis) is fine and things are already fine but that just seems to piss them off, haha.

-a few months ago I used to notice all the problems in the world and how unreal they are and wanted to blurt the truth everywhere to everyone (I didn’t—dunno why but I just kept quiet and abided as what-i-am as always).  Now all that is seen is the seeing with no one seeing it everywhere.  In other words, no problems, no people, no things, just peace/the kingdom of heaven/myself/reality/whatever it may be called.  Nothing needs to be fixed and nobody needs to be told anything ~_~!!!! 

-not worrying much about job/college/eating/sleeping/living/anything.  If I force myself(body) to apparently think about “what im doing with the rest of my life” I just see culture/society and everything they are doing as decidedly useless and feel silly/stupid about going to college or doing anything—(apparent) life is such a short trip anyway why even bother?   But im not REALLY troubled by that anyhow—if the body wants to go get a job or make something happen it can go do that.  Who knows? I(body) might just mooch off parents until it gets kicked out then I’ll just go sit in the desert and die.  I guess we’ll know sooner or later haha. 

Thanks to rustic, chontri, lehish, and woods for kicking my ass(concepts) up and down the field and out of the park.


im sitting on a chair with no legs

these are the final words of this apparent post = )

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May.03.2008
03:33PM EDT 
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vertical line its happening, samadhi is happening.
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May.03.2008
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May.03.2008
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reminded them that what they are looking for (peace/relief/truth/whatever) is what IS looking

peace looks for peace. enlightenment looks for enlightenment.

the ultimate reality is you.

each of us.

your personal beliefs do not nessacirly coincide with what is.

awareness is the soul.

attention is the guiding point.

the mind exists.

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May.03.2008
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vertical line without people being focused and deciding to go to college we would have no doctors. not a good thing.
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May.03.2008
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your sister ISNT fine. she was addicated to heroin.

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May.03.2008
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Here, time to chill out..
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May.03.2008
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vertical line Thanks to rustic, chontri, lehish, and woods for kicking my ass(concepts) up and down the field and out of the park."
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What the f#ck?!? Hey, forgot someone?? Huh?!! Hmpfh!
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May.03.2008
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I Loved that film! (U Seen Brazil btw? Kinda 1984 on acid)

Ps! jthabuddHA H.H. Master Wan Ko Yee was MOST displeased for being let out of you`re credit list, and he is a man that NOT forget easily, so hereby be warned!
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May.03.2008
10:14PM EDT 
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BRAZIL
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May.04.2008
12:49AM EDT 
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vertical line no separateness
just gibberish ; )
didnt mean anything by it
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May.04.2008
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tHAnks HAgibberish

gassHO

;)

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Quote: "Yeah! Is that this and such how.. Shaayne, shall we agree to sit our fat asses down at least 5 min A Day? I know you ought a know th<zat
Here, time to chill out..
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snibbler..........im fine.

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May.04.2008
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I Loved that film! (U Seen Brazil btw? Kinda 1984 on acid)
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Yes - read Kafka?
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May.04.2008
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You do not need to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and listen. Do not even listen, simply wait. Do not even wait, be quiet still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be unmasked. It has no choice. It will roll in ecstasy at your feet. 

~Franz Kafka


Hello?  Anyone home?


Apparently, we are told there are apparent things all over the apparent place. 


I am simply not here.


I am rustic. I am not rustic.

I am nothing, no-thing. I am something.

I exist. I don't exist.

I am not this, not that. I am that, I am this.

I am. Who is?

I-am-ness! Who-am-ness?


All of the above is true.  

All of the above is false.

Good grief.

Listen: a bird tweets outside.

This happens for no-one.

No bird tweets outside.  This happens for someone.

A bird tweets. A no-bird doesn't tweet. Can a no-bird tweet?

A no-bird un-tweets its birdy tweeting. For no-one.

No bird. No tweeting. No me. No thing.

And yet: "TWWWWEET! TWWWEET!"

This is undeniable.

"TWWWEET! TWWWEET!", goes the bird in the garden.

"TWWWEET! TWWWEET!"

This is undeniable.

THIS is undeniable.

THIS is this. Is this.

THIS is. This IS.

This is this.

Just this.

Just this. 

I am.

Just this.

"TWWWEET! TWWWEET!"


Who cares whether or not there is 'such a thing as liberation' when this moment is so alive...we talk about the 'unnameable mystery' and give it a name - this divine paradox, this pure unconditional love which passes all understanding, beyond all words and comprehension, beyond all mind-created ideas.  Life itself is grace and nothing more needs to be said. 



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May.04.2008
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Yes - read Kafka?
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Only "the process"(?), not seen the movie thou. Ought to read book again, been a while..., used to be a big Clive barker fan (even thou I`ve read much more Stephen King)

Know who's this without goggle?:)

1. The Road Not Taken
 
 
TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;         5
 
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,         10
 
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.         15
 
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.         20

(..and miles to go..)

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May.04.2008
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Quote: "Yeah! Is that this and such how.. Shaayne, shall we agree to sit our fat asses down at least 5 min A Day? I know you ought a know th<zat
Here, time to chill out..
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snibbler..........im fine.

"
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Good to hear. Anyway, would you (and anyone else in here offcource!) care to join in a deathmatch of Unreal or? Just downloaded, installed, and went online. First game in years and I WON!:)
And we can set up password-protected zenguide only sessions on the internet server list with this free demo version!!

Download links Unreal(741mb-zip)
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May.04.2008
02:06PM EDT 
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May.04.2008
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parents expected me to go to college and i just kinda went with it. 
not returning to the university. 
was studying philosophy--but everything presupposes the existence of a "person". 
the whole "mind" that they talk about and the whole human condition they have been trying to figure out (throughout history) is based on that erroneous concept.
 psychology cant help anybody fix their lasting problems because this concept is also presupposed.
decided to have a little fun and deconstruct that concept in my own way for a few term papers and the teacher nearly failed me. 
all in good fun though :P. 
everything that can be studied anywhere leads away from what-you-are.

younger sister has apparently been addicted to heroin for 2 years and told parents.
she's in some rehab facility for another few months or so.
parents (divorced for a long while) are falling apart and going to meetings about recovery etc.
been telling them the good news:
-before "birth" during "life" after "death"--THAT prevails now
-"look at me...now close your eyes.. notice when you closed your eyes you did not lose consciousness.  something is aware when they eyes are open and closed..awareness is ever present(apparent waking, sleeping, and dreaming), eternal, unlimited, no-thing, what-you-are (etc).. nothing has ever been done for awareness to be aware… look for yourself whenever you are moved to, as often as you can… don’t make it about finding some far off mystical state of enlightenment (i used to be looking for it since senior year in HS—so they think that they might also have to go searching for it too and that they really don’t have time for that—“we have to put food on the table!”) just make it about finding the truth for yourself….reminded them that what they are looking for (peace/relief/truth/whatever) is what IS looking.  Reminded them that all understanding comes after seeing the seeing for oneself, and that I would not elaborate on concepts too much because it would be no use to them for me to sow my understanding in them.” Anyway, it goes on with more of the same.. occasionally I remind them that carlee(sis) is fine and things are already fine but that just seems to piss them off, haha.

-a few months ago I used to notice all the problems in the world and how unreal they are and wanted to blurt the truth everywhere to everyone (I didn’t—dunno why but I just kept quiet and abided as what-i-am as always).  Now all that is seen is the seeing with no one seeing it everywhere.  In other words, no problems, no people, no things, just peace/the kingdom of heaven/myself/reality/whatever it may be called.  Nothing needs to be fixed and nobody needs to be told anything ~_~!!!! 

-not worrying much about job/college/eating/sleeping/living/anything.  If I force myself(body) to apparently think about “what im doing with the rest of my life” I just see culture/society and everything they are doing as decidedly useless and feel silly/stupid about going to college or doing anything—(apparent) life is such a short trip anyway why even bother?   But im not REALLY troubled by that anyhow—if the body wants to go get a job or make something happen it can go do that.  Who knows? I(body) might just mooch off parents until it gets kicked out then I’ll just go sit in the desert and die.  I guess we’ll know sooner or later haha. 

Thanks to rustic, chontri, lehish, and woods for kicking my ass(concepts) up and down the field and out of the park.


im sitting on a chair with no legs

these are the final words of this apparent post = )

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excellence                                                            :  )
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May.04.2008
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I Loved that film! (U Seen Brazil btw? Kinda 1984 on acid)
"
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Yes - read Kafka?
"
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Only "the process"(?), not seen the movie thou. Ought to read book again, been a while..., used to be a big Clive barker fan (even thou I`ve read much more Stephen King)

Know who's this without goggle?:)

1. The Road Not Taken
 
 
TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;         5
 
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,         10
 
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.         15
 
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.         20

(..and miles to go..)

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I pooped in the woods once.
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May.04.2008
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Quote: "Yeah! Is that this and such how.. Shaayne, shall we agree to sit our fat asses down at least 5 min A Day? I know you ought a know th<zat
Here, time to chill out..
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snibbler..........im fine.

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Good to hear. Anyway, would you (and anyone else in here offcource!) care to join in a deathmatch of Unreal or? Just downloaded, installed, and went online. First game in years and I WON!:)
And we can set up password-protected zenguide only sessions on the internet server list with this free demo version!!

Download links Unreal(741mb-zip)
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Good to hear. Anyway, would you (and anyone else in here offcource!) care to join in a deathmatch of Unreal or? Just downloaded, installed, and went online. First game in years and I WON!:)
And we can set up password-protected zenguide only sessions on the internet server list with this free demo version!!

Download links Unreal(741mb-zip)
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i have the game but my graphics card isnt fast enoufe and i got lag. sorry.

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May.04.2008
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I Loved that film! (U Seen Brazil btw? Kinda 1984 on acid)
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Yes - read Kafka?
"
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Only "the process"(?), not seen the movie thou. Ought to read book again, been a while..., used to be a big Clive barker fan (even thou I`ve read much more Stephen King)

Know who's this without goggle?:)

1. The Road Not Taken
 
 
TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;         5
 
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,         10
 
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.         15
 
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.         20

(..and miles to go..)

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I pooped in the woods once.
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U``re such a Bear!:)
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nah too laggy and thats with the video display all the way down.

buy unreal tournament on steam.
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I Loved that film! (U Seen Brazil btw? Kinda 1984 on acid)
"
.........

Yes - read Kafka?
"
.........
Only "the process"(?), not seen the movie thou. Ought to read book again, been a while..., used to be a big Clive barker fan (even thou I`ve read much more Stephen King)

Know who's this without goggle?:) and

1. The Road Not Taken
 I
 
TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;         5
 
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,         10
 
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.         15
 
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.         20

(..and miles to go..) used

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I pooped in the woods once.
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U``re such a Bear!:)
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nah too laggy and thats with the video display all the way down.

buy unreal tournament on steam. wipe
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May.04.2008
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"I just see culture/society and everything they are doing as decidedly useless and feel silly/stupid about going to college or doing anything—(apparent) life is such a short trip anyway why even bother?"

"Which moon is this?"

"...Donnie Darko.."

"I Loved that film!"

Did you also like "Silence of the Lambs" (kinda like Donnie Darko)? And the "Dark Place" series (kinda like Brazil)?

"Life itself is grace and nothing more needs to be said."

How does it feel to ya?

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unreal tournament 1 or half life 1 or 2.

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unreal tournament 1 or half life 1 or 2.

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Found a demo download UT1, but it was real slow, aborted, must use all machines in working fortimebeeing.. U got quake btw?
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parents expected me to go to college and i just kinda went with it. 
not returning to the university. 
was studying philosophy--but everything presupposes the existence of a "person". 
the whole "mind" that they talk about and the whole human condition they have been trying to figure out (throughout history) is based on that erroneous concept.
 psychology cant help anybody fix their lasting problems because this concept is also presupposed.
decided to have a little fun and deconstruct that concept in my own way for a few term papers and the teacher nearly failed me. 
all in good fun though :P. 
everything that can be studied anywhere leads away from what-you-are.

younger sister has apparently been addicted to heroin for 2 years and told parents.
she's in some rehab facility for another few months or so.
parents (divorced for a long while) are falling apart and going to meetings about recovery etc.
been telling them the good news:
-before "birth" during "life" after "death"--THAT prevails now
-"look at me...now close your eyes.. notice when you closed your eyes you did not lose consciousness.  something is aware when they eyes are open and closed..awareness is ever present(apparent waking, sleeping, and dreaming), eternal, unlimited, no-thing, what-you-are (etc).. nothing has ever been done for awareness to be aware… look for yourself whenever you are moved to, as often as you can… don’t make it about finding some far off mystical state of enlightenment (i used to be looking for it since senior year in HS—so they think that they might also have to go searching for it too and that they really don’t have time for that—“we have to put food on the table!”) just make it about finding the truth for yourself….reminded them that what they are looking for (peace/relief/truth/whatever) is what IS looking.  Reminded them that all understanding comes after seeing the seeing for oneself, and that I would not elaborate on concepts too much because it would be no use to them for me to sow my understanding in them.” Anyway, it goes on with more of the same.. occasionally I remind them that carlee(sis) is fine and things are already fine but that just seems to piss them off, haha.

-a few months ago I used to notice all the problems in the world and how unreal they are and wanted to blurt the truth everywhere to everyone (I didn’t—dunno why but I just kept quiet and abided as what-i-am as always).  Now all that is seen is the seeing with no one seeing it everywhere.  In other words, no problems, no people, no things, just peace/the kingdom of heaven/myself/reality/whatever it may be called.  Nothing needs to be fixed and nobody needs to be told anything ~_~!!!! 

-not worrying much about job/college/eating/sleeping/living/anything.  If I force myself(body) to apparently think about “what im doing with the rest of my life” I just see culture/society and everything they are doing as decidedly useless and feel silly/stupid about going to college or doing anything—(apparent) life is such a short trip anyway why even bother?   But im not REALLY troubled by that anyhow—if the body wants to go get a job or make something happen it can go do that.  Who knows? I(body) might just mooch off parents until it gets kicked out then I’ll just go sit in the desert and die.  I guess we’ll know sooner or later haha. 

Thanks to rustic, chontri, lehish, and woods for kicking my ass(concepts) up and down the field and out of the park.


im sitting on a chair with no legs

these are the final words of this apparent post = )

"
.........

Paradoxically, it's the 'you' who asks: "Why even bother"? - another question about an apparent choice/no-choice - separation is implied. But non-duality is not denying an apparent anything. There isn't a someone there to bother or not to bother. So, is this apathy? There is a difference between apathy and total action.  When the 'you' isn't getting in the way, it flows, it happens, and action is total - this includes study, manual work, relationship - the whole gamut.  The kingdom of heaven is laid out across the whole world - total action is a gift to the world. 

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parents expected me to go to college and i just kinda went with it. 
not returning to the university. 
was studying philosophy--but everything presupposes the existence of a "person". 
the whole "mind" that they talk about and the whole human condition they have been trying to figure out (throughout history) is based on that erroneous concept.
 psychology cant help anybody fix their lasting problems because this concept is also presupposed.
decided to have a little fun and deconstruct that concept in my own way for a few term papers and the teacher nearly failed me. 
all in good fun though :P. 
everything that can be studied anywhere leads away from what-you-are.

younger sister has apparently been addicted to heroin for 2 years and told parents.
she&apos;s in some rehab facility for another few months or so.
parents (divorced for a long while) are falling apart and going to meetings about recovery etc.
been telling them the good news:
-before "birth" during "life" after "death"--THAT prevails now
-"look at me...now close your eyes.. notice when you closed your eyes you did not lose consciousness.  something is aware when they eyes are open and closed..awareness is ever present(apparent waking, sleeping, and dreaming), eternal, unlimited, no-thing, what-you-are (etc).. nothing has ever been done for awareness to be aware… look for yourself whenever you are moved to, as often as you can… don’t make it about finding some far off mystical state of enlightenment (i used to be looking for it since senior year in HS—so they think that they might also have to go searching for it too and that they really don’t have time for that—“we have to put food on the table!”) just make it about finding the truth for yourself….reminded them that what they are looking for (peace/relief/truth/whatever) is what IS looking.  Reminded them that all understanding comes after seeing the seeing for oneself, and that I would not elaborate on concepts too much because it would be no use to them for me to sow my understanding in them.” Anyway, it goes on with more of the same.. occasionally I remind them that carlee(sis) is fine and things are already fine but that just seems to piss them off, haha.

-a few months ago I used to notice all the problems in the world and how unreal they are and wanted to blurt the truth everywhere to everyone (I didn’t—dunno why but I just kept quiet and abided as what-i-am as always).  Now all that is seen is the seeing with no one seeing it everywhere.  In other words, no problems, no people, no things, just peace/the kingdom of heaven/myself/reality/whatever it may be called.  Nothing needs to be fixed and nobody needs to be told anything ~_~!!!! 

-not worrying much about job/college/eating/sleeping/living/anything.  If I force myself(body) to apparently think about “what im doing with the rest of my life” I just see culture/society and everything they are doing as decidedly useless and feel silly/stupid about going to college or doing anything—(apparent) life is such a short trip anyway why even bother?   But im not REALLY troubled by that anyhow—if the body wants to go get a job or make something happen it can go do that.  Who knows? I(body) might just mooch off parents until it gets kicked out then I’ll just go sit in the desert and die.  I guess we’ll know sooner or later haha. 

Thanks to rustic, chontri, lehish, and woods for kicking my ass(concepts) up and down the field and out of the park.


im sitting on a chair with no legs

these are the final words of this apparent post = )

"
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Paradoxically, it&apos;s the &apos;you&apos; who asks: "Why even bother"? - another question about an apparent choice/no-choice - separation is implied. But non-duality is not denying an apparent anything. There isn&apos;t a someone there to bother or not to bother. So, is this apathy? There is a difference between apathy and total action.  When the &apos;you&apos; isn&apos;t getting in the way, it flows, it happens, and action is total - this includes study, manual work, relationship - the whole gamut.  The kingdom of heaven is laid out across the whole world - total action is a gift to the world. 

"
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"
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are certain is "apathy" ?

Ohso:

Another Sufi mystic, Junnaid, the master of al-Hillaj Mansoor. Al-Hillaj became world famous because he was murdered; hence Junnaid fell into shadow. But the few sentences, fragments, that have survived from Junnaid are really great. Otherwise how could he have produced a disciple like al-Hillaj Mansoor? Only a few stories, verses and statements remain, all of them fragmentary. That is the way of the mystic: he does not even bother to connect them into a whole. He does not make a garland of flowers, but only heaps them. It is up to you to choose.

Junnaid said to al-Hillaj Mansoor, "What you have known, keep it to yourself. Do not shout ana'l haq! so loudly. If you say it, you will say it in such a way that nobody can hear you."

Everybody has been unjust to Junnaid. They thought he was a little afraid. It is not so. It is easy to know the truth, it is easy to declare it; it is immensely difficult to keep it in your heart undeclared, unpronounced. Let those who want to come to the well of your being, to your silence.

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Paradoxically, it&apos;s the &apos;you&apos; who asks: "Why even bother"? - another question about an apparent choice/no-choice - separation is implied. But non-duality is not denying an apparent anything. There isn&apos;t a someone there to bother or not to bother. So, is this apathy? There is a difference between apathy and total action.  When the &apos;you&apos; isn&apos;t getting in the way, it flows, it happens, and action is total - this includes study, manual work, relationship - the whole gamut.  The kingdom of heaven is laid out across the whole world - total action is a gift to the world. 

".........

are certain is "apathy" ?

Ohso:

Another Sufi mystic, Junnaid, the master of al-Hillaj Mansoor. Al-Hillaj became world famous because he was murdered; hence Junnaid fell into shadow. But the few sentences, fragments, that have survived from Junnaid are really great. Otherwise how could he have produced a disciple like al-Hillaj Mansoor? Only a few stories, verses and statements remain, all of them fragmentary. That is the way of the mystic: he does not even bother to connect them into a whole. He does not make a garland of flowers, but only heaps them. It is up to you to choose.

Junnaid said to al-Hillaj Mansoor, "What you have known, keep it to yourself. Do not shout ana'l haq! so loudly. If you say it, you will say it in such a way that nobody can hear you."

Everybody has been unjust to Junnaid. They thought he was a little afraid. It is not so. It is easy to know the truth, it is easy to declare it; it is immensely difficult to keep it in your heart undeclared, unpronounced. Let those who want to come to the well of your being, to your silence.

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 "are certain is apathy"? 
What are you talking about?  No, forget it, don't bother.
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you posted > So, is this apathy? There is a difference between apathy and total action. <  then  explained without a response to the question

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asked if were certain

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I don't care.
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yet cared enough to post "I don't care" ;)

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Rabbits to get garden weeds, but no brew, or ginger.
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Quote: "i&apos;m going out to work in the garden, and clean  the bird houses. "
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but weren't while typing

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Quote: "Going into the garden to top up wild-bird feeders with peanuts and black sunflower seeds - sundry foods for the bird-table, clean out the bird-bath and fill with fresh water, check temperature in greenhouse, adjust ventilation. "
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but weren't while typing

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Quote: "Have to find some exterior caulk for tops of bird houses so they won&apos;t leak. Then on to the carrot patch to cover with chicken wire. And hand hoe a bit. Ginger brew! Yes, I&apos;m there! : ) 
"
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"then'"wasn't while typing

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oak splinter, in my left thumb... no typing for that one... ness

had to retool my stakes.

"Carrot, Little Finger?"
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Quote: ""sssllluuuurrrpppp!!!"  ginger brew!!

oak splinter, in my left thumb... no typing for that one... ness

had to retool my stakes.

"Carrot, Little Finger?"
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:) is gone

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virgin 
dibbing grounds
verdant fruit 
flower
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time in a bottle.

i dig this song.

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aye
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it came
it gone
it never was here

no need to worry
you're already here, dear
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But non-duality is not denying an apparent anything.


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oh?
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The original with chaos quake extension pack is awsome! Gotta try that!
U got jumping proxy mines (orgasmic to find that weapon after collecting a few zillions
grenades to carpet bomb the map. Heat seeking rockets, laser mines and all the gore
from the original and more, quite fun actually!:)!
I`m in for a game as soon as things settles a little over here, got the old quake install
cd still!:)

(Oh.. and Woods? Shut up, this is nerd business, Ok!?")
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nerb buisness? haha.

true.

anyway...............do you have quake 3?

want me to get quake?

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get steam from www.steampowered .com

then we can play some valve and id games.

theirs epic too.

halflife 1 , unreal tournament 1 and ids games ah,,,,,quake,,,thats its name..haha. is ten bucks. so is half life 2 deathmatch.

right now me and my middle boy are playing half life 2 deathmatch. though his video card sucks.

ever play aliens vs predator 2?

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oh?
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Representations.

Wandering joy!
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no need to worry
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"
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Apathy is the flip-side of sympathy.  Action is what is done, what is neglected.  Total action is not-doing. 

"
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"
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"it gone" "no need to worry", rusticHA

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oHoHOHOHOHOHOhehehehHEEHEHHEHE
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