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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: SEXUAL DESIRE THE ROOT OF MY SUFFERING
vertical line Posted on May.31.2008 @ 06:44AM EDT by -Agape-

This, I think, is the main cause of my suffering of which all my other life nuisances are focused around. I am 24 years old and still not having had sex I have a developed a needy desperation about me which has caused me to focus almost all of my life efforts around achieving this goal. 

For years I knew this was a big factor in my life but only recently did I ask the question which enabled me to quantify the extent that my desires are focused around this one thing. I asked 'How much easier would life be if I didn’t have this needy desire for the opposite sex?' and then I realised that my life would be so simple. I am, however, so attached to achieving this goal that I cannot see myself letting go of it in the near future. I could quite easily see myself dropping this pursuit once I have actually tried it even once, but as I have been conditioned that this is SUCH A BIG RIGHT OF PASSAGE I feel that I could not live with myself having not tried it. At the moment I feel that if I attempted to 'give up' my desire for the opposite sex, or even to try and damp it down (without actually quenching it with its object) then I would be lying to myself and going against my natural desires and thus being fundamentally inauthentic to myself. I am aware that there are healthy and unhealthy desires towards things especially the object in question. The healthy desire would be to want, rather than having a starving feeling of need, for the opposite sex. The trouble is I feel that that the only thing which will remove my needy desire, to that of a healthy wanting, is the very thing that I crave. So I am stuck in a spiral of neediness chasing after the thing which I desire, which would probably come easily if I didn’t desire it so badly, yet it evades me through my grasping. In my interactions this comes out and thus my goal is ever elusive.

I had been contemplating whether the life of a monk would be feasible for me and the only hindrance I have to my mind is this desire for sex. I have no desire for worldly possessions or fame/recognition or anything else of a materialist nature other than that which I need to survive such as food and shelter. I realized that the only reason I wish to work and live in the city and subsequently put up with the oppressive nature of city life, and thus be tied to a job and having to pay bills etc, is so that I may have more chance to meet others of the opposite sex merely due to increased numbers. This is my only reason. If this need were to cease I could quite happily live in a monastery eating humbly and whiling away my time in peace. As I write this I am aware how much of a slave I am to this desire.

I would like to hear if anyone has advice on how I can calm this rabid thirst I have developed without actually quenching it with that object of my desire.

Thanks.


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May.31.2008
07:28AM EDT 
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vertical line who are you and why should you be free from your sexual desire?
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Reply from glorymind
May.31.2008
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Do you maturbate? It can be a quencher. Why don't you just visit an escort?

"When you are hungry, eat. When you are tired, sleep"

Hormones will only push you so far. The desire for such a specific affirmation is something one builds: intricate mental obsessions.

The potential to finally "have". That life is not fulfilling. This is the dishonesty. This is inauthentic.

"I sometimes wish I had multiple arms and legs"

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May.31.2008
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vertical line You're experiencing the sexual urge. Suppose you don't do anything.  What do you think will happen?

All celibate monks think about the sexual act and repress the sexual urge. 
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May.31.2008
10:45AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "You're experiencing the sexual urge. Suppose you don't do anything.  What do you think will happen?

All celibate monks think about the sexual act and repress the sexual urge. 

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May.31.2008
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vertical line I had a sexual desire once, but talking to shayne completely flattened it. So, my advice is... don't talk, or look at shayne, unless the monk is calling you, then really let him have it.. with whatever ya got. I'll have tomatoes in another few months.

When the right girl comes along, it's like mucho magnet magic. It's like you will drink in the woman, literally in fact. No more need for a soda pop, or a beer. Them has gotz their own kinda pull. I need no shaving cream! Don't ask.
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May.31.2008
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All celibate monks think about the sexual act and repress the sexual urge. 

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May.31.2008
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vertical line From experiencing sexual urge sensations [nobody's doing anything], arises the belief that "[I need] to calm my rabid thirst" from which arises the question: "How?" - now you're doing it.  
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May.31.2008
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vertical line Ok, I was bad, it's not shayne's fault I'm not hornie. It's the tv's fault.
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May.31.2008
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Quote: "Ok, I was bad, it's not shayne's fault I'm not hornie. It's the tv's fault. "
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holding magnet sides together?

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May.31.2008
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vertical line Sex is survival instinct, it's a phase some go through. Just add kids to the mix, hard working hours, and a nice big garden, and it's "bye bye mama, I'm diggin' in the dirt."

Oowww... we've had some nice rain lately. See? For me, the garden is my first love, or art. You always return to your first love, enlightenment has the quality. It's not that sex isn't potentially awakening, if it goes a tantric direction.
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May.31.2008
03:52PM EDT 
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vertical line first love? is it only the mention of these things that a picture gets formed and a story told? or does the seer belive then to be true... even if told differently?are first loves and etc.. the only?
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May.31.2008
03:53PM EDT 
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May.31.2008
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vertical line are you looking to find which door I've taken.. haven't you pointed it out already?
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May.31.2008
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vertical line Ah, yes, ok, but is it: BIG RIGHT OF PASSAGE, like a right to passage, right of way, like a big ‘un rightaway, or is it: rite of passage, as a collective right or are you thinking they're culturally the same thing?
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Reply from Snibbler
May.31.2008
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vertical line I once had this conversation with a friend of mine at a vorspiel. He suddenly started crying and told me he was 24 years old, and still not have had sex... (no kidding)
I said that what he had told me was a free pass for sex, he just should have said it to a girl, not me. When I met him two weeks later he`d had sex, and had gotten a girlfriend in the process.
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May.31.2008
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vertical line Did he say whether it was any good?  Did he draw diagrams?
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May.31.2008
05:12PM EDT 
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I'm not writing here for awhile

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May.31.2008
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vertical line Quote: "Did he say whether it was any good?  Did he draw diagrams?"
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May.31.2008
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May.31.2008
06:35PM EDT 
vertical line heheheeeeeeeeeeee 

desire object
object desire
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May.31.2008
08:23PM EDT 
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vertical line saltpeter

or pan

either one ought ta do

just ignore the 'ta do' part!

and ignore the 'part' part! parts!

aw crap!

that should help, cured my interest, like zzziiippp!  oops... ah... oink... fizzle... snip.... bang...
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line get a hobby. and dont focus so much on this. you control your own mind and when you can see past this youll be in control.
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line saltshaynee
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line no saltpeter....haha. salt! what a goof.
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line Go tell a girl I say, exactly as it is, how embarrassing and all, and ask for her advice.
(Make sure she has a weak spot for you and/or many cute friends!:)
Just remember that you are you, and never compare yourself with possible sickos with
possible twisted views on sex etc. The "007whatever" myth is nothing more than a myth,
trust me.
Anyway.. Could rather avoid the great adventure and get a nice hobby instead as Shayne suggests thou. Playing computer games, starting to wear glasses, and when you`re completely nerdified girls are no longer a plroblem! Since they no longer are an option!:)
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line (Did somebody advice to go see a hooker up in the tread or was I dreaming? =")
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line (Hmmm... Bet Shaynes probable going to respond he meant like not being focused and consumed by only one thing and bla bla. And then he`d probable go on a deliberate and throughly explanation of how fear attracts what we fear etc. before he goes into some profound rambling garbled with tongue tale and gloomy prophesies.)
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Jun.01.2008
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Jun.01.2008
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A few good replies for food for thought. Merci.

Yea I think the three best are: Tell a girl my situation and hope for a mercy ****. Go see a hooker, and get a hobby.

My main problem is too much focus on this thing so I either divert my concentration to another outlet, or, quench my desire. I think those are the two options it comes to.

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Jun.01.2008
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well i wouldnt supress my urges........but take them as urges. you create them.

by all means get a gf. its just theirs ALOT more to life then just sex.

LOVE is the highest ground.

BE love. not sex.

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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line and you said yourself.........too much emphysis on this one thing. you already know the problem. too much emphsis.
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Jun.01.2008
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well i wouldnt supress my urges........but take them as urges. you create them.

by all means get a gf. its just theirs ALOT more to life then just sex.

LOVE is the highest ground.

BE love. not sex.

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Love. It's something you create.

That you need someone else to take part. That's insecurity.

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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line i said be love. not find love.
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line besides love is the higher ground compared to just plain sex.
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Jun.01.2008
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(or not...)

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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line Just put an ad in the paper, or here for that matter. But realize that there are plenty of women who would see it as a challenge, and if that happens, close your eyes, click your heels together  three times and say, there's no person like shayne, there's no person like shayners... until the babes go away, or shaynee appears on your doorstep. "Neeahhh!!! " Works for me. Just the "Neeahhh!!!" part.
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line the words desktop and doorstep are compatible

shayne will show up on your desktop, "Neeahhh!!!"
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Jun.01.2008
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A few good replies for food for thought. Merci.

Yea I think the three best are: Tell a girl my situation and hope for a mercy ****. Go see a hooker, and get a hobby.

My main problem is too much focus on this thing so I either divert my concentration to another outlet, or, quench my desire. I think those are the two options it comes to.

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Oh dear. Sounds like you have a problem.  There doesn't seem to be any way out.  And my reply didn't even make it into the top 3.  You don't want an answer to your question, because you know it's a ridiculous question and you already knew the answer when you asked it anyway; what you want remains and you intend getting it - your so called 'problem of too much focus' involves looking for a n other to use in the pursuit of your pleasure.  In point of fact, the pursuit and experiencing of pleasure involves objectification, the use of somebody or something in gratification - call them 'hookers', 'escorts', 'girls' anybody who will just show some 'mercy', any thing at all which will serve your needs.
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line Never pay for sex. Just do yard work, out by the pool, on a hot day, shirtless and sweaty...

"Shaynee!"
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line you all talk like to enjoy one another is some sort of ill will thing when it does not have to be... it can be an experienc eof one another and be nice. but what can I say , I'm non-being
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Quote: "Quote: "Did he say whether it was any good?  Did he draw diagrams?"
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heard while standing in the kitchen

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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line Yeah that's it.  Let's see if I can follow me on this one:  ahem . . . . it is impossible to lust after another in our minds while holding the vision that we are all one. Those others transmogrify into objects, all springing from the "I-am-the-body" idea. Oh yeah and within doesn't stop somewhere 6 inches behind the eyeballs.  

Wait a minute, it is, possible, when it's the mind alternator adapter-adapter doing it, 'holding the vision', wanting them two things both at the same time.  
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I have no idea what you mean by that.  What is this some sort of ill will thing?
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listening? is it whats heard that is the point of that it is heard?

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Quote: "Do you feel that you are divided now?"
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Wait a minute, it is, possible, when it's the mind alternator adapter-adapter doing it, 'holding the vision', wanting them two things both at the same time.  

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What else would you be? - If anything?... Something... always somewhere.

Control. Nerves which 'belong' (naturally) - connected to muscles. Memories and orientations, it's all here.

Do you experience control of anything else? It may be a leap of faith but I'm always here.

"When the many are reduced to one [...]" there are still no 'direct experiences'.

I don't pretend or try to contort.

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vertical line but hwen you are walking and fall into another shoes..you realize there is noone to objectify... but only yourself but we do not want this.. we want separate... heard while watching the floaters.. some things cannot be seen from the inside.. which means to say.. to enjoy one another their must be a one another... so is the way...
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Non-division: not by thinking. Not by holding visions.

Non-intention. Only through practise? And through an art?

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why? do we not see a body?

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non being? what is non being?

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By meditating?

What is your practise?
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Jun.01.2008
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Pssst! Agape, here`s you`re opening!:)
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Jun.01.2008
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haHahahaha don't have to try since you post alot  saysaysaysay

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Jun.01.2008
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line I feel like I'm in a similar situation.  I think wanting to become a monk may be a response to your inner desire not to have sexual desires.  I feel the same way.  I think that the best way to solve it is to just be mindful of how sexual desire feels.  That's the point of mindfulness:  you see that desires are not as strong as they seem.  At one point, when my meditation had reached its peak (I'm not as consistent as I should be), I had very little sexual desire, because I simply saw it for what it was, and let it go.  You just need to face it with mindfulness, and everything will work itself out.  That's the basic point of Zen.
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Jun.01.2008
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vertical line Posting shayne's name even takes away my desire to post. See? Nothing.
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Jun.02.2008
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Jun.02.2008
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Jun.02.2008
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Jun.02.2008
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vertical line Quote: "I feel like I'm in a similar situation.  I think wanting to become a monk may be a response to your inner desire not to have sexual desires.  I feel the same way.  I think that the best way to solve it is to just be mindful of how sexual desire feels.  That's the point of mindfulness:  you see that desires are not as strong as they seem.  At one point, when my meditation had reached its peak (I'm not as consistent as I should be), I had very little sexual desire, because I simply saw it for what it was, and let it go.  You just need to face it with mindfulness, and everything will work itself out.  That's the basic point of Zen."
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There is no point to mindfulness.  There is no basic point of zen.  Wanting to become a monk is wanting a career change. All monks, who have renounced the sexual act, sexual relations, remain attached to the idea of the sexual act, so have to suppress their natural sexual urge - some think about it all the time and it drives them insane.  
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Sep.24.2011
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Lower sex desire is also a cause of erectile dysfunction.  Apart from low sexual desire, Erectile dysfunction occurs due to various leading factors which include work pressure, stress, hyper tension or illness like diabetes, heart problem etc...
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Sep.24.2011
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Lower sex desire is also a cause of erectile dysfunction.  Apart from low sexual desire, Erectile dysfunction occurs due to various leading factors which include work pressure, stress, hyper tension or illness like diabetes, heart problem etc...
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Medical advancements have rendered erectile dysfunction obsolete.

It can be psychological, but mostly comes with age and is a circulatory problem.  The desire for sex, and the nerve endings involved are not affected.

PosTvac, uses vacuum pressure to fill the member, and then a rubber ring keeps it full for 1/2 hour to 1 hour, at a time.  You can easily perform every other hour indefinitely.  And theres plenty to do during the rest period.  I am a very cunning linguist, myself.

There are also surgical procedures where inserts replace the tissue on the side of the penis with either hard rubber or inflatable balloons.  With the former you essentially have a stiffy 24 hours a day, and with the latter a small air pump and valve are put into the scrotum for inflation and deflation on demand.  Her demand of course.

George Burns said that sex over 90 was like playing pool with a rope, but even at that age these medical advancements are an option, and a cure.

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Sep.24.2011
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Sep.24.2011
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Sep.24.2011
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Sep.25.2011
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Sep.25.2011
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Im 57 years old.

Ive been an uncle, but not a father.

I think Im finally ready,

since Im financially secure,

and more mature.

It would take a medical miracle,

but I wouldnt mind giving it a try.

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Sep.25.2011
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Sep.25.2011
03:54PM EDT 
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Sep.25.2011
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Sep.25.2011
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