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  Posted on Aug.01.2009 @ 09:07PM EDT by chontri

Not to be reached by traveling is the end of the world,
Yet there is no release from sorrow
Unless you reach the end of the world.

The one who is wise and lives... continue...

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vertical line Posted on Jun.03.2008 @ 04:22PM EDT by Woodsman
What can be said, to take away suffering? Nothing. Words won't do, can't undo, to ever end the suffering, and release the mind from it's torment.

Just breathe in, a real good deep one... it has it's own way, without the words, or the will getting in the way, of release.

And when the thinking stops, it's as if there has been a death, and a birth, but this birth reflects the outside and the inside being together, as always arising and falling, each of the same place.

Release the suffering,  the words, with each new breath as each new day. Rising with the sun, setting with the moon.
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Jun.03.2008
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vertical line there is no separation in the faculty of sight---the eye cannot separate itself from the image

there is no separation in the faculty of sound-- the ear cant separate itself from noise

there is no separation in the faculty of touch--the finger cant separate itself from the sensation

can the tongue separate itself from the taste?

can the nose separate itself from the smell?

where does that leave "you"?
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Jun.03.2008
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Jun.03.2008
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vertical line there is no separation in the faculty of thought (if there even is that faculty ?_?)-- "you" cannot separate "yourself" from thought because "you" is a thought
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vertical line The mind works, in accordance with the breath, in the acceptance of the little that is needed as a taking in. Even less as a letting out, or letting go, of any hint of suffering,  or rejection of the simple truth of united interconnectedness. There is no need "to be" one, one already is, awake.

a deep breath comes in, as a welcoming reminder of validation, after what has been thought, is released into the blue, the sky above, a home of arisen life, a risen love.
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Jun.03.2008
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vertical line Quote: "there is no separation in the faculty of thought (if there even is that faculty ?_?)-- "you" cannot separate "yourself" from thought because "you" is a thought
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Moses, holy or not?

Oh ship, I just dropped my carrot.
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Jun.03.2008
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vertical line I`d eat it. I mean, even thou it`s been on the ground and all... Eh... That was all.. "Cough"
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Reply from glorymind
Jun.04.2008
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Quote: "the finger cant separate itself from the sensation"

"the finger cant separate itself from the sensation"

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Yes, it can. As written you've already separated it. You know the finger is not the sensation. Finger is a thought-noun. And there is the finger-associated stimulation (memory of which is another thought-noun). There is the separation.

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Quote: "where does that leave "you"?

there is no separation in the faculty of thought (if there even is that faculty ?_?)-- "you" cannot separate "yourself" from thought because "you" is a thought
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"where does that leave "you"?

there is no separation in the faculty of thought (if there even is that faculty ?_?)-- "you" cannot separate "yourself" from thought because "you" is a thought
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You're right.

But I would say, "you is in every thought". That is with every experience. This is a natural separation.

I am the sufferer and the enjoyer: this is the source of all meaning and intention.

We never have personal (my) control through anything but the body: I am the body.

Intellectualizing the invalidity of the self-body association (...etc) is done in a context (in the mind) that through weaker inferences limits the self to the body.

Put another way: anything else is even more distant from natural perception. And natural perception (the kind that we have most of the time) suggests our embodiment.

(I am) exactly what-where my thought-experience suggests me to be. All else is (experienced as) a lie.

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Quote: "What can be said, to take away suffering? Nothing. Words won't do, can't undo, to ever end the suffering, and release the mind from it's torment. "

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Words can be calming.

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Jun.04.2008
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vertical line Quote: "

Quote: "the finger cant separate itself from the sensation"

"the finger cant separate itself from the sensation"

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Yes, it can. As written you've already separated it. You know the finger is not the sensation. Finger is a thought-noun. And there is the finger-associated stimulation (memory of which is another thought-noun). There is the separation.

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Quote: "where does that leave "you"?

there is no separation in the faculty of thought (if there even is that faculty ?_?)-- "you" cannot separate "yourself" from thought because "you" is a thought
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"where does that leave "you"?

there is no separation in the faculty of thought (if there even is that faculty ?_?)-- "you" cannot separate "yourself" from thought because "you" is a thought
"
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You're right.

But I would say, "you is in every thought". That is with every experience. This is a natural separation.

I am the sufferer and the enjoyer: this is the source of all meaning and intention.

We never have personal (my) control through anything but the body: I am the body.

Intellectualizing the invalidity of the self-body association (...etc) is done in a context (in the mind) that through weaker inferences limits the self to the body.

Put another way: anything else is even more distant from natural perception. And natural perception (the kind that we have most of the time) suggests our embodiment.

(I am) exactly what-where my thought-experience suggests me to be. All else is (experienced as) a lie.

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Quote: "What can be said, to take away suffering? Nothing. Words won't do, can't undo, to ever end the suffering, and release the mind from it's torment. "

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Words can be calming.

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How do you know the finger is not the sensation?  The only way you could possibly know anything is through your translating of sense-data.  The translator.  

You is not in every thought. 

The enjoyer and the sufferer aren't there. 

Intellectualizing the invalidity of the self-body association (...etc) is done in a context (in the mind) that through weaker inferences limits the self to the body. 

This is nonsense because what invalidity is believed is a translation.  There is how you come to believe that the mind is a context.  

Put another way: anything else is even more distant from natural perception. And natural perception (the kind that we have most of the time) suggests our embodiment.

(I am) exactly what-where my thought-experience suggests me to be. 

If you were able to experience natural perception which is not the kind we have most of the time you wouldn't write such crap.

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vertical line There is no such thing as total attention, at all. It is just not possible. For example, if you look at that curtain which is moving with the wind. It is the one thing that is demanding your attention. I never tell myself what the eyes are looking at and there is no way I can be separated from what is there. I cannot separate myself from what the eyes are looking at unless there is a need for that. And that need arises only from somebody else who asks me something. Do you understand? So never are my actions self-initiated. Never. So, the moment the thought is born there, the action is over. The separation occurs only when the knowledge comes in and tells me that "that is a white curtain." You see, otherwise where is the need for me to tell myself that? So, why we do it is very simple. It is because we have to maintain the continuity of knowledge. That is the only reason. For example, you say that "that is white and that is blue, you are this and that" and you go on and on and on. That need is the only thing that is there; it is not the "I", not the Self, not the Atman. Nothing is there, except the need to maintain the continuity of the knowledge you have about things out there and the things here (pointing to himself).
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Reply from glorymind
Jun.04.2008
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Quote: "the finger cant separate itself from the sensation"

"the finger cant separate itself from the sensation"

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Yes, it can. As written you've already separated it. You know the finger is not the sensation. Finger is a thought-noun. And there is the finger-associated stimulation (memory of which is another thought-noun). There is the separation.

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Quote: "where does that leave "you"?

there is no separation in the faculty of thought (if there even is that faculty ?_?)-- "you" cannot separate "yourself" from thought because "you" is a thought
"
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"where does that leave "you"?

there is no separation in the faculty of thought (if there even is that faculty ?_?)-- "you" cannot separate "yourself" from thought because "you" is a thought
"
.........

You're right.

But I would say, "you is in every thought". That is with every experience. This is a natural separation.

I am the sufferer and the enjoyer: this is the source of all meaning and intention.

We never have personal (my) control through anything but the body: I am the body.

Intellectualizing the invalidity of the self-body association (...etc) is done in a context (in the mind) that through weaker inferences limits the self to the body.

Put another way: anything else is even more distant from natural perception. And natural perception (the kind that we have most of the time) suggests our embodiment.

(I am) exactly what-where my thought-experience suggests me to be. All else is (experienced as) a lie.

.........

Quote: "What can be said, to take away suffering? Nothing. Words won't do, can't undo, to ever end the suffering, and release the mind from it's torment. "

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Words can be calming.

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How do you know the finger is not the sensation?  The only way you could possibly know anything is through your translating of sense-data.  The translator.  

You is not in every thought. 

The enjoyer and the sufferer aren't there. 

Intellectualizing the invalidity of the self-body association (...etc) is done in a context (in the mind) that through weaker inferences limits the self to the body. 

This is nonsense because what invalidity is believed is a translation.  There is how you come to believe that the mind is a context.  

Put another way: anything else is even more distant from natural perception. And natural perception (the kind that we have most of the time) suggests our embodiment.

(I am) exactly what-where my thought-experience suggests me to be. 

If you were able to experience natural perception which is not the kind we have most of the time you wouldn't write such crap.

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I know what you're talking about. It's like walking without thinking.

But I'd say not that "I" doesn't exist - intention and awareness are there - but that it's a different "I" - like a different part of the mind.

The conceptualizer may be somewhere else (still mine - like the walker).

Also, impulses come from inherently different parts of the body. Maybe as babies we learn what's where. But this association (in my mind at least) is immediately usable information. Eg. I'm able to respond to pain impulses knowledgably (without need to 'invoke' memory).

When there is thought, it is always (and immediately) known to be mine. When there is joy, it is also mine. It's quite different from proposed 'other's joy'. When there is sight (of curtain), I never know it not to be my sight: eg. my orientation relative to the curtain is immediately available information.

Also, you are not startled when you see a curtain. Without thinking, it is always familiar to you.

It's not nonsense because that 'translation' is natural and immediate. Methinks denying it is non-sense: the translator is always there. Besides maybe in sleep, there is always "mineness" (of experience).

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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "

Quote: "the finger cant separate itself from the sensation"

"the finger cant separate itself from the sensation"

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Yes, it can. As written you've already separated it. You know the finger is not the sensation. Finger is a thought-noun. And there is the finger-associated stimulation (memory of which is another thought-noun). There is the separation.

.........

Quote: "where does that leave "you"?

there is no separation in the faculty of thought (if there even is that faculty ?_?)-- "you" cannot separate "yourself" from thought because "you" is a thought
"
.........

"where does that leave "you"?

there is no separation in the faculty of thought (if there even is that faculty ?_?)-- "you" cannot separate "yourself" from thought because "you" is a thought
"
.........

You're right.

But I would say, "you is in every thought". That is with every experience. This is a natural separation.

I am the sufferer and the enjoyer: this is the source of all meaning and intention.

We never have personal (my) control through anything but the body: I am the body.

Intellectualizing the invalidity of the self-body association (...etc) is done in a context (in the mind) that through weaker inferences limits the self to the body.

Put another way: anything else is even more distant from natural perception. And natural perception (the kind that we have most of the time) suggests our embodiment.

(I am) exactly what-where my thought-experience suggests me to be. All else is (experienced as) a lie.

.........

Quote: "What can be said, to take away suffering? Nothing. Words won't do, can't undo, to ever end the suffering, and release the mind from it's torment. "

.........

Words can be calming.

"
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How do you know the finger is not the sensation?  The only way you could possibly know anything is through your translating of sense-data.  The translator.  

You is not in every thought. 

The enjoyer and the sufferer aren't there. 

Intellectualizing the invalidity of the self-body association (...etc) is done in a context (in the mind) that through weaker inferences limits the self to the body. 

This is nonsense because what invalidity is believed is a translation.  There is how you come to believe that the mind is a context.  

Put another way: anything else is even more distant from natural perception. And natural perception (the kind that we have most of the time) suggests our embodiment.

(I am) exactly what-where my thought-experience suggests me to be. 

If you were able to experience natural perception which is not the kind we have most of the time you wouldn't write such crap.

"
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I know what you're talking about. It's like walking without thinking.

But I'd say not that "I" doesn't exist - intention and awareness are there - but that it's a different "I" - like a different part of the mind.

The conceptualizer may be somewhere else (still mine - like the walker).

Also, impulses come from inherently different parts of the body. Maybe as babies we learn what's where. But this association (in my mind at least) is immediately usable information. Eg. I'm able to respond to pain impulses knowledgably (without need to 'invoke' memory).

When there is thought, it is always (and immediately) known to be mine. When there is joy, it is also mine. It's quite different from proposed 'other's joy'. When there is sight (of curtain), I never know it not to be my sight: eg. my orientation relative to the curtain is immediately available information.

Also, you are not startled when you see a curtain. Without thinking, it is always familiar to you.

It's not nonsense because that 'translation' is natural and immediate. Methinks denying it is non-sense: the translator is always there. Besides maybe in sleep, there is always "mineness" (of experience).

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It can't be experienced.  Whatever one does is an obstacle to what one wants. Awareness, attention, choiceless awareness, fancy terms for a not knowing - not knowing what is being looked at - when the curtain is not familiar at all, when the being is as though in a state of wonder, wondering.  There is only the possibility of denying when there is the continual demand to experience, to recognise and name.
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Bless you! Pollen?
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Bless you! Pollen?
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No, words.
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Quote: "Quote: "Hachoo!!! "
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Bless you! Pollen?
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hehehe

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Quote: "It can't be experienced.  Whatever one does is an obstacle to what one wants. Awareness, attention, choiceless awareness, fancy terms for a not knowing - not knowing what is being looked at - when the curtain is not familiar at all, when the being is as though in a state of wonder, wondering.  There is only the possibility of denying when there is the continual demand to experience, to recognise and name."
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Always an obstacle? Effective operation is conceptualization and pursuit. Even if you want desirelessness, you'll have to know how you're (not) getting it.

Desire creates separation. But I would say desirelessness is not exactly bliss. Bliss requires ownership, and gratitude is desire.

And... the curtain's attributes are available at first sight (semi-solid object). Look at a table - before trying, you know it's a solid object.

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Quote: "Oh yes, always an obstacle with 'attributes'. "
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Always there? Nihilism. (Denial)

When pain is pain and pleasure is pleasure: Pragmatism, hedonism and rationalism. (Real)

Obstacle to what?

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vertical line Guys, guys, you gotta watch this!

http://www.projectcamelot.net/norway.html

Can`t friggin belive it:) Lol, why didn`t I come up with that:) Jizes, Baneheia, thats thick. Some poor Norwegian politician are gonna get a real kewl start on his election campaign I suspect (at least after I sent this link to national paper VG`s money tip:)

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Always there? Nihilism. (Denial)

When pain is pain and pleasure is pleasure: Pragmatism, hedonism and rationalism. (Real)

Obstacle to what?"

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 Answer your own questions.  Should keep you busy for a while, you've got enough of 'em.
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Always there? Nihilism. (Denial)

When pain is pain and pleasure is pleasure: Pragmatism, hedonism and rationalism. (Real)

Obstacle to what?"

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 Answer your own questions.  Should keep you busy for a while, you've got enough of 'em.

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Bare witness, you can't handle the truth.

Obstacles? The path is between the walls. Just walk.

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vertical line Hachoo!

Bless me father for I have sneezed.

Hachoo! Hachoo!

Ya know.. more.
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Quote: "He handles the truth between walls. "
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What else? No better truth than the walls.

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Quote: "No path. No walls. No handling. No handler. "
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True, but 'meaning' is divisive. When anything can be said, the intent is (correctly) self-perpetuation.

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"Bare witness, you can't handle the truth."
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Yes, you're right/real/meaning/full/less/messy/ness.  Nothing to declare : the truth is unmanageable; it cannot be indexed, pulled, pushed, ruled, filed, defiled, stamped, briefed, debriefed, arrested, asphyxiated, defibrillated, numbered, embossed, categorised, held with or without a handle.

However, this the lie of the true truth : to handle and be handled by a you - the generic you/one, pointing at a me.  There's a lot about - not a thing to do with nihilism, it's a boggling of big I bogies.  

Here's a skinny bare-arsed runny truth: you is/are the clown and the heckler. When you believe you want another knob of truth to butter those fingers with, think about it, carefully, look around and imprison your binary number fantasy yip truth.

; see being you ;

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Diarrhea Remidies:
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vertical line Amazing what can bring the squits on - take plenty fluids, adequate bed-rest - you should feel better soon. Pat on the head.
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it was for this gush:

Quote: " When you believe you want another knob of truth to butter those fingers with, think about it, carefully, look around and imprison your binary number fantasy yip truth"

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vertical line I couldn't care less what you think it was for. It wasn't addressed to you - maybe you thought it was, so maybe it is, hell fire. Anyway, at least you have a reason to post some more irrelevant silly drivel - flame away.
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Quote: " When you believe you want another knob of truth to butter those fingers with, think about it, carefully, look around and imprison your binary number fantasy yip truth"

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hahohahahoahahaha

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hahahahahaha

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Inspiring and illuminating reflections,

quotes, poems, lyrics, texts on acceptance, awakening, awareness, freedom, God, letting go, life, love, meditation, non-attachment, perception, transformation, ...

that crack open the Universe and enlighten the Mind.

http://luminousinspirations.blogspot.com/

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Here's your link, nice and working: link.
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vertical line I see you all still have woulderful fun. So good to see QQ you all. Take care.
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