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vertical line Posted on Jun.14.2008 @ 03:38PM EDT by Mika-san
I am interested to know what one should do when one learns how to re-call memories of previous incarnations. It can be very distracting from day-to-day living. It can cause many problems and difficulties. Also, there is always a need to verify and confirm these memories, although that does tend to be reduced over time. Does anyone know of an international forum, wherein Zen-Buddhist monks from Japan participate, and can read English? I have some past-life memories from Southern Japan from eight-hundred years ago, wherein I was a monk at a monastery outside of the Prefect of Osaka. I believe the monastery still continues to exist, although not at its former location, but within a three-hundred kilometre radius of the Prefect of Osaka. In that lifetime, my name was: Akira Katsumi.
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Jun.14.2008
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vertical line Who are you now?
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Jun.14.2008
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vertical line Who am I now? I am that I am! I am I! As I explained quite plainly: I am referring to re-incarnational memories, memories of other life-times. In those life-times, I was something different. I was different in every life-time, but always quite similar nonetheless. I am Michael this life-time, but my meditations have allowed me to learn that I was different in other life-times, and because of that, I am different, now. In summation, what or who, I am now, is complicated and difficult to explain. It would have to involve a complete review of all my incarnations, and even then, it would lead to a greater personality, or energetic-system, which contains all the memories of these personalities that were once ego/present-personalities.
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Jun.15.2008
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vertical line I actually don't believe in reincarnation. I personally believe reincarnation was a metaphor for the wheel of life, or maybe a sort of sugar that got the medicine in. I mean, how do you know its true? Heck, I DON"T EVEN KNOW IF YOU'RE REAL. The unknowing concept I feel is the fundamental concept in Buddhism. (see my post "my understanding")
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Jun.15.2008
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vertical line Could've been a mosquito, a rat, a worm, a slug - could've dreamed a slug's life, a rat's, a mosquito's, a worm's life in a lifetime.  This life is like a slug's life - just as good and bad, a reinterpretation of slime, no better, no worse, with no more importance than any other life. 
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Jun.15.2008
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Quote: "Who am I now? I am that I am! I am I! As I explained quite plainly: I am referring to re-incarnational memories, memories of other life-times. In those life-times, I was something different. I was different in every life-time, but always quite similar nonetheless. I am Michael this life-time, but my meditations have allowed me to learn that I was different in other life-times, and because of that, I am different, now. In summation, what or who, I am now, is complicated and difficult to explain. It would have to involve a complete review of all my incarnations, and even then, it would lead to a greater personality, or energetic-system, which contains all the memories of these personalities that were once ego/present-personalities. "
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What is "complicated "?

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Jun.15.2008
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vertical line When I said "complicated", I meant that it might not be possible to describe all that I can re-call in a few words or less. I have learned that the "previous"-personalities travel a journey described by the Tibetans as "Bardo", and upon completion of said journey, return to a greater-self, that might be described as a "Whole Personality". This is the best that I can do for now. In the meantime, does anyone know of Japanese zen-monks, at monasteries in Southern Japan, that can read and write in English, and whom can read this text?
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Jun.15.2008
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Quote: "I have learned that the "previous"-personalities travel a journey described by the Tibetans as "Bardo", and upon completion of said journey, return to a greater-self, that might be described as a "Whole Personality"."
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if it appears as if there's any thing left, this isn't it

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Jun.15.2008
10:19PM EDT 
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vertical line Would you be so kind as to clarify the preceding statement. In the meantime, I continue to wait for an Engllsh-speaking Japanese zen-monk to see this, and respond.
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Jun.15.2008
10:47PM EDT 
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You will find the "Ignore" option (to the left of each posting) quite useful.

Al

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Jun.15.2008
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You will find the "Ignore" option (to the left of each posting) quite useful.

Al

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hahahahahahaha
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Jun.16.2008
01:27AM EDT 
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vertical line I have not investigated or considered the "ignore" option so kindly brought to my attention as I am trying to be polite. That having been said, it is a useful option, and worthy of further consideration.
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Jun.16.2008
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vertical line What happens when you aren't trying to be polite?
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Jun.16.2008
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vertical line You are  "interested to know what one should do when one learns how to recall memories of previous incarnations".

Go for a walk; dig the vegetable patch; chop firewood, water the plants; shop for groceries; feed the birds; drink a cup of tea, coffee, ginger beer or other beverage; feed the birds; eat a meal; look at the sky; stand in the rain; drink a cup of tea; sleep; feed the furry beings; shower, bathe; close eyes, open eyes; lean into the wind; run up and down a hill; dive into a river; swim a lake - I can't think of anything else off the top of my head.
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Jun.16.2008
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Ah

thread your fingers in the air; thread your toes in the grass; hug a tree; sow seeds; bake bread; write a letter; read a book; talk to the neighbour; play a record; tidy desk; lie down; get up; travel a journey; scythe the orchard; charm the birds; switch computer off; switch computer on; sing a song; wave/smile to passer-by; polish glass; listen to church bells; smell the honeysuckle; listen to call to prayers; watch an ant; dance
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Jun.16.2008
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Jun.16.2008
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Jun.17.2008
01:58AM EDT 
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vertical line When I am not trying to be polite, I am out-spoken and blunt. If I am trying to be polite, it is because I am annoyed that no one has even attempted to answer and respond to my inquiry about how to locate an English-speaking Japanese zen-monk!
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Jun.17.2008
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Quote: "When I am not trying to be polite, I am out-spoken and blunt. If I am trying to be polite, it is because I am annoyed that no one has even attempted to answer and respond to my inquiry about how to locate an English-speaking Japanese zen-monk!"
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I don't know who here fits your discription. but the discussion of Bardo is very interesting as my step son was just murdered two days ago and "bardo" came up. I'm sorry I cannot continue this conversation further. good luck in your journey to find who it is you want to know.

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Jun.17.2008
10:42AM EDT 
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Reply from ______
Jun.17.2008
11:09AM EDT 
vertical line contact: Gudo Nishijima
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Jun.17.2008
03:11PM EDT 
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vertical line I would be very interested to read more about this Mr. N.. If possible, would you be so kind as to elaborate further? I would appreciate it greatly. Mika-san
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Jun.17.2008
04:01PM EDT 
vertical line Follow the links to dogensangha for further info - email Nishijima from his blog.
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Jun.17.2008
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Quote: "If I am trying to be polite, it is because I am annoyed that no one has even attempted to answer and respond to my inquiry about how to locate an English-speaking Japanese zen-monk!"
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"annoyed" was an opportunity which seeking information, for verifying memory, was as if blind

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Reply from kelvintan
Jun.18.2008
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Memories Incarnation Karma Accounts- So Answers Needed

Recall your previous lives to reduce your existing problems?

This life-stream flows ad infinitum, as long as the muddy waters of ignorance and craving feed it.

With Metta

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Reply from Mika-san
Jun.19.2008
05:04PM EDT 
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vertical line I am less involved with the present than before I began to re-call previous incarnations, and I will admit that. However, I can say that I am involved with a development that involves what could be described as a greater-present. It just takes some time to learn how to handle the memories and not let the previous lifetime-memories interfere with day-to-day activities. It can be a challenge, on occaision.
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Jun.19.2008
05:18PM EDT 
vertical line I was Japanese zen-monks in past life. How may I help?
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Jun.19.2008
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vertical line interesting description of reincarnation.
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Jun.19.2008
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vertical line To the individual whom continues to ask: Who are you now? Perhaps you might like to help with an answer. To the individual whom maintains to have been a Japanese zen-monk in another incarnation: You may help me by finding the new location of that monastery, that I re-call, from an incarnation in Japan, eight-hundred years ago. Mika-san
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Jun.19.2008
10:25PM EDT 
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what is asking for help for verifying memories which aren't  

maybe focusing on memories  assists avoiding fear ?

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Jun.19.2008
11:38PM EDT 
vertical line Can recall landmarks, Mika-san?
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Jun.20.2008
04:56AM EDT 
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vertical line I do not believe the monastery is still there as it would have to be a part of urban Osaka. I do believe it still exists, but would have been moved by now to another location.
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Jun.20.2008
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Quote: "I am less involved with the present than before I began to re-call previous incarnations, and I will admit that. However, I can say that I am involved with a development that involves what could be described as a greater-present. It just takes some time to learn how to handle the memories and not let the previous lifetime-memories interfere with day-to-day activities. It can be a challenge, on occaision."
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Maybe It's Katsumi Akira- Search Archives.Name never dies

Allow me to share your happiness, once you found it.

Good Luck

With Metta

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Jun.20.2008
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vertical line Osaka, has undergone many changes in 800 years - most recently it was firebombed in WW II, but your monastery is still imaginable - you think that it was moved somewhere else but the constituent parts of a derelict, bombed out or gutted monastery would more likely be recycled to build another building or road.

First you are annoyed at the lack of an English speaking Japanese zen monk because it is such a one that you believe can help you [you have, after all, tried to be polite]. Contact details have been supplied - have you contacted Gudo Nishijima? What does he say? Does he have any advice for you?

You believe you know who you were 800 years ago, a belief which is interfering with your daily living 'in the present', to the extent that you have no idea who you are today.

Now however, you are requiring help from "the individual whom...to find the new location of that monastery". This is a difficult undertaking without landmarks, a post/zip code, eyewitness evidence and an expense account.



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Jun.20.2008
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vertical line Aha, I know monastery! In past life I was frog in pond. Not nickname, I was actually frog in pond. One day, monk come sit by pond. I say, "come in pond monk, water is fine!" Monk say, "I AKIRA KATSUMI!!" Then monk have heart attack and die. Ring a bell?
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Jun.20.2008
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Jun.20.2008
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Jun.21.2008
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vertical line I do not believe that I have claimed that, "I do not know who I am",etc..., or proven such through my actions. I am aware that my request is a difficult one though.
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Jun.21.2008
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Jun.21.2008
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vertical line Why do people tend to live in the past or the future...? Even now is ticking away......
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Jun.21.2008
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Quote: "Why do people tend to live in the past or the future...? Even now is ticking away......"
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Living Ignorantly  One Never Escape Life-flux

"Tis Ignorance entails the dreary round - now here,

now there - of countless births and deaths."

"But no hereafter waits for him who knows!"

With Metta

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Jun.22.2008
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vertical line Do some of you talk so as to hear the sound of your own voices? Mika-san
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Jun.23.2008
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Quote: "Do some of you talk so as to hear the sound of your own voices? Mika-san"
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A wise man will be the master of his Mind. Instead Keeping AbsolutelySilent And Nonchalant often proves one a fool.

With Metta

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Jun.23.2008
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vertical line Quote: "Do some of you talk so as to hear the sound of your own voices?

Mika-san
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Who knows the reasons why? Some talk so as to hear the sound of silence. Some talk in reply to your questions. Some talk to disappear. Some tap keyboards and leave messages on message-boards. Who knows? Would some voicestalk make any difference to you regarding the responses you aren't hearing? Is this post acceptable in thine eyes?
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Quote: "Do some of you talk so as to hear the sound of your own voices? Mika-san"
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I don't know, but sometimes when you talk I hear the sound of my voice.

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Quote: "I do not believe the monastery is still there as it would have to be a part of urban Osaka. I do believe it still exists, but would have been moved by now to another location."
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would it have been moved, carefully, from one side to the other?

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Jun.23.2008
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vertical line I don't hear any voices but there's plenty noise - like the sound fingernails make scraping along a blackboard. There's the silence in each word and a non-hearing solitude. That's about it.
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vertical line whoever is talking i only hear my own ideas
other than that its just noise
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Jun.23.2008
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vertical line my ideas being the accumulated ideas of others
i really have nothing original and nothing of my own
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Jun.23.2008
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vertical line my posts are like ghosts
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Jun.23.2008
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Quote: "my posts are like ghosts
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Please observe the last bullet point of "Posting Guidelines & Rules".

Alan

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Jun.23.2008
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Pitter patter of keyboard most soothing!
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Jun.24.2008
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It is not speaking that breaks our silence, but the anxiety to be heard. The words of the proud man impose silence on all others, so that he alone may be heard. The humble man speaks only in order to be spoken to. The humble man asks nothing but an alms, then waits and listens.
~Thomas Merton
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Quote: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
[Tractatus 7]
~Ludwig Wittgenstein

It is not speaking that breaks our silence, but the anxiety to be heard. The words of the proud man impose silence on all others, so that he alone may be heard. The humble man speaks only in order to be spoken to. The humble man asks nothing but an alms, then waits and listens.
~Thomas Merton
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Dude, give it a break. Create a new thread and whine about it in there, leave this one alone. I will continue to delete any more posting on this thread that has nothing to do with the original question which is reincarnation.

Alan

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vertical line Ok, I`ll zip it:) Me for my part really do not want to be taken seriously. That would be.. not right for me, power corrupts and there is kinda really nothing to zen besides developing awarness/ meditating IMO. Maybe be better at motivating eachothers to sit?..
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Quote: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.
[Tractatus 7]
~Ludwig Wittgenstein

It is not speaking that breaks our silence, but the anxiety to be heard. The words of the proud man impose silence on all others, so that he alone may be heard. The humble man speaks only in order to be spoken to. The humble man asks nothing but an alms, then waits and listens.
~Thomas Merton
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Dude, give it a break. Create a new thread and whine about it in there, leave this one alone. I will continue to delete any more posting on this thread that has nothing to do with the original question which is reincarnation.


Alan

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I must've missed something because I thought I'd responded to the creator of a thread on reincarnation who was seemingly concerned about "some of you talking so as to hear the sound of your own voices", [not construed as 'whining'], which appeared to advance the dialogue somewhat. Anyway, notwithstanding the reincarnation of an old post as a new topic, the destiny of all posting, is deletion.
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I must've missed something because I thought I'd responded to the creator of a thread on reincarnation who was seemingly concerned about "some of you talking so as to hear the sound of your own voices", [not construed as 'whining'], which appeared to advance the dialogue somewhat. Anyway, notwithstanding the reincarnation of an old post as a new topic, the destiny of all posting, is deletion.
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And so have I, I'll take that back and apologize. Thanks for the clarification.

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when reading this thread.. and reading bullet point... I wrote bullet point because my son was shot in the neck on fathers day and it would seem that a topic of reincarnation and hearing the same words ...seemed appropriate..though I'm not inclined to do this again..thank you Alan for all your support

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when reading this thread.. and reading bullet point... I wrote bullet point because my son was shot in the neck on fathers day and it would seem that a topic of reincarnation and hearing the same words ...seemed appropriate..though I'm not inclined to do this again..thank you Alan for all your support

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