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not eating any RAW fruits-vegies ?

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K = kofenis the penis?
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r u nuts ? ;)

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Hello Muskateers,

Help build bridges as well. 'All' need bridges to cross. Brings us closer together. Where is the love?? R E S P E C T. / M I N D F U L N E S S. Might be 'The' bridge one day for someone.

'Know the experience'.

what's to bridge ?

bring what closer to what ?

Muskateers fire muscats at someone or something. It's disrespectful and dissapointing in any case that this occurs. Even more-so when it happens between the small number of us who give a thought for the zen experience. Muskateers could do with a new experience, maybe bridge building. Zen dialect can be quite absurd, but it is rich. Deliberate offensive nonsense used in an attempt for one to appear as though they are one who speaks zenish is seen for being exactly that. Zenish is no camoflage for disrespectful and dissapointing nonsense.

Throwing mud on one thing to make another thing appear shiny is a farce. False. Fake.   

it appears as if that way to what ?

what was interruped as if that was happening ?

Quote: " what was interruped as if that was happening ?"
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*interpreted

Muskateer. Diversionista. Say whatever you like but you can't escape this, or anything. 

Be happy to say whatever I has to say. Be the respect.

what are you interpreting as if :

"Muskateer. Diversionista. Say whatever you like but you can't escape this, or anything. 

Be happy to say whatever I has to say. Be the respect."

Books have paper pages. Paper comes from trees. Yes!

Instead of over-intellectualizing as a reuult of whatever you may have read, go and hit your head against a tree really hard and then interpret that. Give it a hard go until you get it.

Whether you, me, I, it, this is here or not, and, whether you are reading this or not, a little respect from ones mouth and being, or in your case non-being, is a worthy transmission even if there is no transission. Muskateers on this site need to know this whether they are here or not, and if they are not here then let me not know and I will send you non-existant invisible sign language.

You can't hide nonsensical potty language behind zen dialect even if it is not here.

Disrespecting is = no self respect, or no-no self respect for muskateers.

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Respect? A zen master asking for respect of ... doesn't matter.

A koan (sorry for the virtual double-post):

        The student Doko came to a Zen master, and said,
"I am seeking the truth.  In what state of mind should I
train myself, so as to find it?"
        Said the master, "There is no mind, so you cannot put 
it in any state.  There is no truth, so you cannot train yourself
for it."
        "If there is no mind to train, and no truth to find, why
do you have these monks gather before you every day to study
Zen and train themselves for this study?"
        "But I haven't an inch of room here," said the
master, "so how could the monks gather? I have no tongue,
so how could I call them together or teach them?"
        "Oh, how can you talk like this?" said Doko.
        "But if I have no tongue to talk to others, how can
I lie to you?"
        Then Doko said sadly, "I cannot follow you.  I cannot
understand you."
        "I cannot understand myself," said the master.

        The student Doko came to a Zen master, and said,
"I am seeking the truth.  In what state of mind should I
train myself, so as to find it?"
        Said the master, "There is no mind, so you cannot put 
it in any state.  There is no truth, so you cannot train yourself
for it."
        "If there is no mind to train, and no truth to find, why
do you have these monks gather before you every day to study
Zen and train themselves for this study?"
        "But I haven't an inch of room here," said the
master, "so how could the monks gather? I have no tongue,
so how could I call them together or teach them?"
        "Oh, how can you talk like this?" said Doko.
        "But if I have no tongue to talk to others, how can
I lie to you?"
        Then Doko said sadly, "I cannot follow you.  I cannot
understand you."
        "I cannot understand myself," said the master.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Beautifull. Doko was very respectful, and a great transmission. No wall went up to block it. I am very willing to bounce, and experience more and more, but I am no fool. Potty talk is potty talk, grown ups that stiil carry the habits from when they were toddlers need to discard them. It's a fear related action coming from the fear of being ridiculed so onr ridicules first. I state again that such nonsense cannot hide behind zen dialect and your koan is testament to that. It was great, and these are the discussions that promote, benefit, beguile, enthuse and are appreciated. The other stuff, no matter how clever it might be, it is still potty talk. If it was something funny, ok, but it's offensive nonsense.

Thanks for the response.

First, replace the word Doko for the Zen Master, he was respectful. Second, the brick wall I talk of is mine. It did not come up when I read the koan. It's a good koan.

This is what I call getting Zennish with it.

If something is simple then it is nothing.

Good luck.

        The student Doko came to a Zen master, and said,
"I am seeking the truth.  In what state of mind should I
train myself, so as to find it?"
        Said the master, "There is no mind, so you cannot put 
it in any state.  There is no truth, so you cannot train yourself
for it."
        "If there is no mind to train, and no truth to find, why
do you have these monks gather before you every day to study
Zen and train themselves for this study?"
        "But I haven't an inch of room here," said the
master, "so how could the monks gather? I have no tongue,
so how could I call them together or teach them?"
        "Oh, how can you talk like this?" said Doko.
        "But if I have no tongue to talk to others, how can
I lie to you?"
        Then Doko said sadly, "I cannot follow you.  I cannot
understand you."
        "I cannot understand myself," said the master.

I don't care what you say Rustic. Your an angry person. You hit out at reality. Really ,that is self abuse because you are reality, hence the grief from me, reality too.You call that emanating. I call it the experience of 'is'. Call it whatever, it's however ones sees it in the reality of 'is'.

Your either a lawyer or you just missed out on being one. Maybe a late train or something at final exam time. You argue to win, thats all.

Let people post what they want. Who the hell are you or anyone else for that matter to jump in and agree or disagree. Just say what you want to say too.

When you disagree with someone else in the reality of 'is', you disagree with you.

So I have to agree with you and you with me, and I do.

Your knowledge transmission is killed by over-intellectualizing. Your scared of being appreciated.

I found zen after 20 years of searching, and look who greets me on my coming out.

Get zenish with it.

Smile at it. Like kwannon.

Keep it simple and respectful.
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Read nothing. Just my momentary experience. Maybe you are angry maybe not. Your dialect makes me angry?? It's the nature of it.

I'm starting to see you. Your last postings of 'who cares' are actually really good.

Honestly, you raise a very high and difficult bar. This is so only because frustraton comes into play as a reaction to the dialect used. And even more frustrating when one sees no reason why. And then even more frustrating when one has to get frustrated.

I would really like to comprehend whatever it is that you can transmit .

It's like you dont want anyone to jump the bar and meet you on the other side.

This is where I sense anger.

I'm telling you how I am experiencing it.

Respect that.

I might be wrong, but the dialect is extremely clouding.

what intellectualized-read-interpreted as if there's:
zen dialect
respecting-disrepecting
being-nonbeing
noselfrespect-nonoselfrespect
you-me-I
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coming out of what ?

what believes there's a 'zenish' ?

who are you ?

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Interesting experience, you appear to be experiencing. This business of banging your head against a tree is not recommended , for you or for the tree; it will hurt you and it will hurt the tree; the tree won’t thank you for it - using a tree as a brick wall to bang your head against indicates that you have no respect for the tree. But as a metaphor, it aptly illustrates how an experience can come between who you think you are, who/what you think the tree is, and life. You could stand beside the tree and experience the colour, fragrance, sound, feeling, taste - you could say, “Ah, what a (beautiful, ugly, big, small, smelly,) tree.” And you would miss the tree. You could say, “Ok, I will know and be this experience of the tree.” And you would miss the tree. Intellectualising to the extent of thinking about ‘knowing the experience’ (of the tree), is the modus operandi of thought/ego,
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But, but.. it`s soooo good when you stop!