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  One day when P'ang layman (740-808)was selling bamboo baskets at the market place of Hung-chou.
Seeing a monk begging alms, he took out a cash and said:
-Can you tell me how to appreciate alms?
The monk had nothing to say.
P'ang... continue...

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vertical line Posted on Jul.20.2008 @ 03:32PM EDT by Mslapik
Originally, the whole desire suffering thing made a lot of sense to me, but now I see that there are two models for happiness. One is that lack of suffering is happiness, so if you eliminate suffering you're fulfilled, whereas the other would say that just lack of suffering would lead to a neutral emotion, and that to be happy, desire must be fulfilled. In other words, lack of desire would just lead to a neutral emotion, not happiness. At this point, it seems like a matter of a opinion, so how do you guys know that your model is correct?

(please don't give those cryptic short answers that I can't get anything out of)

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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.20.2008
04:45PM EDT 
vertical line Well, I am only at where I am right now, kind of quiet, reflective, not thinking a lot. Just sitting, with a vibration on my forehead. I take in a deep breath. Let one out. I don't own the subtle  sensations, as in "controlling" them out of preference for the big, the loud...  they arise on their own. Because as I age, the minor stuff seems to increase in importance.

And then I begin to look back at some feelings and thoughts that are negative, things that seem to annoy me, and disturb the calm, the floating sleepiness, or happiness undisturbed. The thoughts are about my rejections, and my hardening way around noise. For me, happiness requires an amount of reflective quiet. And what use to make me feel energized, no longer does.

I guess it's more of dealing with the discontent that brings about happiness, reflectively waiting before jumping in or speaking when spoken to, just as a minor opening. Hi.
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Reply from ______
Jul.20.2008
07:51PM EDT 
vertical line It’s as if there is mystery here, mystery which will not be talked of one-dimensionally. Of light and of dark; of surrendering to suffering and being happy; of pursuing happiness and finding despair; of understanding that there is no such thing as evil, so no such thing as sin and yet perceiving the effects of evil and feeling sinner and sinned against; of the ultimate dark which is God; of depression as a gateway into authentic joy.  
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Jul.21.2008
08:09AM EDT 
vertical line What model can there be for the experience of the now. To have desire is 'not to have'. There is 'a suffering'. A neutral emotion is anything but neutral. An ignorant(honest) emotion is something else. What is the experience of one who desires. What is the experience of one who suffers. What is the experience of one who thinks about desire and suffering. What is the experience of one who sees desire and suffering as an experience. What is the experience of one who bounces from one to none??????? No-thing-ness/all/paradox.
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Reply from ______
Jul.21.2008
08:10AM EDT 
vertical line The 'now' can't be experienced.
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Jul.21.2008
08:51AM EDT 
vertical line Sorry, don't know what ---&apos whatever means. Please explain.
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Reply from ______
Jul.21.2008
08:58AM EDT 
vertical line Apology? Does it counter-balance the 'don't know'? What's the '---whatever'? Explain what?
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Jul.21.2008
09:20AM EDT 
vertical line ???????? Good luck to you Rustic. Did not ask for an apology, and still don't know your communication. It's ok though. You did try to accomodate.
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Reply from ______
Jul.21.2008
03:14PM EDT 
vertical line Thanks.  
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