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- What is it that's used everyday but not known?
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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPT IN BUDDHISM
vertical line Posted on Jul.21.2008 @ 01:56PM EDT by Mslapik
I've always felt that the unknowing concept is the fundamental concept in Buddhism. For instance, one can't ever know that the senses reflect any reality because all the evidence you can get is more sensory information, so it would be a circular proof. Same thing with reason. (I can only determine if reason works with more reason, so its circular as well) So in that way the unknowing concept is truth, absolute unknowing. Completely letting go of one's own ideas. This would also entail the absence of desire (and happiness).

I'm wondering if you guys agree, or if you have different ideas. What do you guys think is the fundamental concept in Buddhism?
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.21.2008
02:43PM EDT 
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vertical line Hearing is by far the most unifying sense that I presently have. Tactile sensation is a very interesting one, although nonduality  seems  to be a non-issue in that sensations are individually and uniquely related to a tactile energy flow, not thought so much. The olfactory sense creates both positive and negative associations, out of preservation, but one can hide from the negative sense with all various forms of scent overlay and pretend that a skunks spray for instance is an invitation to breath through one's mouth, which is what I do, after the initial bursting of the bubble of my holy nose knows best.

Ignoring the unknown is in the refusal to qualify the most subtle fraction of perception as holding potential to awaken one's true nature continuously. Door slams either undoing the general stillness of the moment, or opens the percussive sense in the vibrational mode.
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Reply from -----0
Jul.21.2008
02:58PM EDT 
vertical line Fundamentally there are no concepts in Buddhism. Buddhist concepts are just the plan B for those who don't get it.
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Reply from ______
Jul.21.2008
03:07PM EDT 
vertical line Buddhism is an idea. 
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Reply from lehish
Jul.21.2008
03:41PM EDT 
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vertical line :)
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Reply from shayne
Jul.21.2008
04:03PM EDT 
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vertical line That which seeks the fundamental concept in buddhism IS the fundamental concept. Though its no concept. the mind.
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Reply from shayne
Jul.21.2008
04:04PM EDT 
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vertical line unknowing is just something not known until one looks with the mind.
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Reply from 9999999
Jul.21.2008
04:17PM EDT 
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vertical line dunno dun care
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Reply from shayne
Jul.21.2008
08:45PM EDT 
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vertical line you should care.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.21.2008
08:47PM EDT 
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vertical line Yes he does, otherwise he wouldn't have posted it, and Alan wouldn't have let him. So, Alan doesn't care. Unless he posts something right now. Even a "hi", or "hey ru" would do.
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Reply from shayne
Jul.21.2008
08:51PM EDT 
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vertical line johny cat.............whats up today? doing ok?
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.21.2008
09:07PM EDT 
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vertical line Fine, first day off after 12 last night, so, the attitude is royal, though the body be tired. But a good tired.
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Reply from shayne
Jul.21.2008
09:12PM EDT 
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vertical line yeah im looking at a 12 day stretch coming up now. missed time off from being depressed now thier gonna make me work the weekend. oh what fun.
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Jul.22.2008
09:14AM EDT 
vertical line Are you talking about a paradox?
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Reply from Snibbler
Jul.22.2008
11:52AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "That which seeks the fundamental concept in buddhism IS the fundamental concept. Though its no concept. the mind."
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Ok... As in the tought "seeking the fundamental concept in buddhism" in reality
IS "the fundamental concept in buddhism" trying to express itself?! Yeayh!:)
(Just contributing, staying on topic here:)
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Reply from Snibbler
Jul.22.2008
11:55AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Quote: "That which seeks the fundamental concept in buddhism IS the fundamental concept. Though its no concept. the mind."
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Ok... As in the tought "seeking the fundamental concept in buddhism" in reality
IS "the fundamental concept in buddhism" trying to express itself?! Yeayh!:)
(Just contributing, staying on topic here:)
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Ohhhh... It`s mind seeking mind!! NOW were gett... eh.. or maybe not.
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Reply from ______
Jul.22.2008
12:42PM EDT 
vertical line That's right, maybe not. 
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Reply from shayne
Jul.22.2008
05:13PM EDT 
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some people seek to know their mind. but it is the seeking which is the mind. once grasped then things change.

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Reply from shayne
Jul.22.2008
09:29PM EDT 
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i remember when i was 13. pacing the floor looking for something. dont know what. used to look into the mirror alot. and ask what am i looking for?

then it dawned on me.....im looking for security or my own mind. so the questioning stopped.

i was free. i found my own mind. i was in control.

free to look into any direction i pleased.

free to question what we term reality.

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Reply from ______
Jul.23.2008
08:06AM EDT 
vertical line You remember when you was 13?  
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Reply from ______
Jul.23.2008
08:15AM EDT 
vertical line You only think you're in control - the illusion of control is such that you will continually see defects find yourself irritated and angry with what you perceive as the other, with someone else.
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Reply from ______
Jul.23.2008
08:17AM EDT 
vertical line You only think you're in control - the illusion of control is such that you will continually see defects in what you perceive as the other and find yourself irritated and angry with with someone else.
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Reply from ______
Jul.23.2008
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vertical line ou only think ou're in control - the illusion of control is such that you will continually see defects in what you perceive yourself irritated and angry with with with someone else.
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Reply from ______
Jul.23.2008
08:21AM EDT 
vertical line ou only think ou're in contro - the illusion of contro is such that ou ill ontinually see deects in what you perceive as the otter and fin ourself ritated and any with with wit eone elsie.
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Reply from glorymind
Jul.23.2008
08:22AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "So in that way the unknowing concept is truth, absolute unknowing. Completely letting go of one's own ideas. "

Hmm, you have anything for the living, doctor?

Quote: "This would also entail the absence of desire (and happiness)."

Spend a moment praising duality... Itzenbetween?

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Reply from Snibbler
Jul.23.2008
09:45PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "ou only think ou're in control - the illusion of control is such that you will continually see defects in what you perceive yourself irritated and angry with with with someone else. "
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Oh my God, you are right!
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Reply from Snibbler
Jul.23.2008
09:46PM EDT 
vertical line And it`s One with, icehole!
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Jul.25.2008
11:54AM EDT 
vertical line I know that this is a good idea. Just let go and you will know.
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Reply from Snibbler
Jul.25.2008
07:19PM EDT 
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some people seek to know their mind. but it is the seeking which is the mind. once grasped then things change.

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OOh.. Flame of creation! But  whats that got to do with Energy in MOTION?

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Reply from Snibbler
Jul.25.2008
07:27PM EDT 
vertical line Probable nothing, but it sounded kewl!:)
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