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vertical line Posted on Jul.28.2008 @ 07:33AM EDT by IZIZIZ

I do not know re-incarnation as a truth. Records of historical events, stories, beliefs or theories in no way whatsoever measure up to the hearing of mind in my own head and the settling of zen knowledge and experience thus far. I dont know.

What can one think or know about this?

And yes, I know that I dont know, but this is about opinion at this stage, or maybe not.


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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.28.2008
03:10PM EDT 
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vertical line The past has to be dropped, the parts that had selfish or unkind motive in them. Each relationship has to be explored, from a position of openness, and not with any closed ideas of who I am, and who you are. And, that's about as far as I am able to go with it, in print.
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Reply from Snibbler
Jul.28.2008
05:57PM EDT 
vertical line The past has to be accepted, even the parts that had selfish or unkind motive to them. Each relationship has potential to be explored, from a position of selfsenterdness and mutual benefication, void of beggars and kings. And not with any rigid ideas of what`s what in it for you and me, who I am, who you are, and how far I`m able to go with it, in print.

(Based on the Classical story "the dropouts", originally written by a little known cheesy pulp writer named John Woodsman in 2008)

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Reply from shayne
Jul.28.2008
08:27PM EDT 
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i dont nessacarlly beleive in reincarnation either.

one must get past the time before birth and focus on that.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Jul.29.2008
07:56AM EDT 
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So is there a belief that it exists?

Is there a knowing of it?

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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.29.2008
10:11AM EDT 
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vertical line Ok, why don have nipples?
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Jul.29.2008
04:54PM EDT 
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Quote: "Ok, why don have nipples?"
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??

Are you talking about the mixing and continuance of people?

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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.29.2008
05:32PM EDT 
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Quote: "Ok, why don have nipples?"
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Are you talking about the mixing and continuance of people?

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I should know better than post after a work night. Alan, please erase. In lives past Alan was my eraser guy.
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Reply from shayne
Jul.29.2008
08:20PM EDT 
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vertical line yeah sometimes you dont make no sense.
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Reply from shayne
Jul.29.2008
08:36PM EDT 
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So is there a belief that it exists?

Is there a knowing of it?

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all im saying is you need to meditate on it to discover the truth for yourself. im personally not that interested in a past life.

i had a out of body experience while living with my mother that made a beleiver of the soul in me.

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Reply from shayne
Jul.29.2008
08:41PM EDT 
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that and im kinda afraid to look. haha.

dont wanna discover i was some deviant.

i got biploar in this life so my karma isnt that good.

course im a good man in this life.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Jul.30.2008
09:52AM EDT 
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Touchy subject. Maybe too many things written about the Buddha and his recollection of past lives!!!

Who wrote that stuff anyway?

Was Buddha a writer??????????????????????????????????????????

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Reply from glorymind
Jul.30.2008
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that and im kinda afraid to look. haha.

dont wanna discover i was some deviant.

i got biploar in this life so my karma isnt that good.

course im a good man in this life.

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Your dukkha. Isn't she pretty? So you wear a mask?

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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.30.2008
02:17PM EDT 
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that and im kinda afraid to look. haha.

dont wanna discover i was some deviant.

i got biploar in this life so my karma isnt that good.

course im a good man in this life.

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Ok, I had some, ah sleep, and I woke up thinking about our need to grasp the negative, in at least making something negative the cornerstone of our "self-image". "This is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong..." but I do like the syllabic rhythm to that. Seriously, there is a kind of freedom in the negative, that we don't see, or desire, because it becomes a solid thing... a negative, a bad thing, rejected.

My thoughts are going to an animal place right now, and not of the domestic variety. Further away from us we keep the farm animals, then the wild ones, which are generally not compatible with humans, at least not generally, with the larger public.

I want to fill the negative interpretation, of the solid image to a positive, to open and become more flexible with was in the past, rejected. And not for just anyone, but everything directly in my own life, anything I may reject through anger, however subtle..
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Reply from shayne
Jul.30.2008
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My thoughts are going to an animal place right now, and not of the domestic variety. Further away from us we keep the farm animals, then the wild ones, which are generally not compatible with humans, at least not generally, with the larger public.

oh?

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Reply from shayne
Jul.30.2008
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that and im kinda afraid to look. haha.

dont wanna discover i was some deviant.

i got biploar in this life so my karma isnt that good.

course im a good man in this life.

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Your dukkha. Isn't she pretty? So you wear a mask?

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Your dukkha. Isn't she pretty? So you wear a mask?

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a mask? no.

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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.30.2008
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My thoughts are going to an animal place right now, and not of the domestic variety. Further away from us we keep the farm animals, then the wild ones, which are generally not compatible with humans, at least not generally, with the larger public.

oh?

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Leheshewannabe?
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Reply from shayne
Jul.30.2008
05:17PM EDT 
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HUH GOOFBALL?

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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.30.2008
05:20PM EDT 
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vertical line Buy Jehovah! I think he's lost it!

Ya get the buy, materialism/God, lost and found think here Shaynsters?

Don't say yes.
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Reply from shayne
Jul.30.2008
05:23PM EDT 
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vertical line go get some sleep rambler.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.30.2008
05:24PM EDT 
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vertical line good boy
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.30.2008
05:26PM EDT 
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vertical line he's just so good trained not to pee on peoples anymore
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Reply from shayne
Jul.30.2008
05:26PM EDT 
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vertical line huh?
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.30.2008
05:30PM EDT 
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vertical line No, I'm dumber than that.

Just let me explain, after I pick some berries. Byewhy:)
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.30.2008
07:00PM EDT 
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.01.2008
07:21AM EDT 
vertical line Maybe re-incarnation is mistaken for in-carnation is mistaken for just simply 'in'.
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Reply from ______
Aug.01.2008
08:08AM EDT 
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.01.2008
02:32PM EDT 
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vertical line Mystic is better.
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Reply from Snibbler
Aug.01.2008
08:48PM EDT 
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that and im kinda afraid to look. haha.

dont wanna discover i was some deviant.

i got biploar in this life so my karma isnt that good.

course im a good man in this life.

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Yeah! And Karma is not some judgment with sentences handed out to be served. Thats the Other religion u silly badass!:)
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Reply from shayne
Aug.01.2008
08:59PM EDT 
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thats natural law.

not cause and effect.

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Reply from shayne
Aug.01.2008
08:59PM EDT 
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vertical line and if you read correctly our actions in this lifetime determine our existance in the next life. read zenguide.
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Reply from shayne
Aug.01.2008
09:07PM EDT 
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Because of the force of their karma, people are born and reborn endlessly in one realm of existence or in another. The Buddha declared that there is no permanent rest in this cycle of birth and death. It is only when one follows the Noble Eightfold path taught by the Buddha and eventually attains Nirvana, that one finally becomes free from this ceaseless cycle and gains supreme and permanent happiness.

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Reply from shayne
Aug.01.2008
09:12PM EDT 
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thats natural law.

not cause and effect.

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course karma is natural law..........but our mental and physical actions still determine on a superanatural level what we are gonna be next round.

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Reply from shayne
Aug.01.2008
09:17PM EDT 
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There are six realms in which one may be reborn after death. They are the realms of gods, the demigods, human beings, animals, hungry ghosts and the hells. These are just general categories and within each, there exist many sub-categories. The six realms of existence include three relatively happy states, and three relatively miserable states. The realms of the gods, the demigods and human beings are considered to contain more happiness and less suffering. The realms of animals, hungry ghosts and the hells are considered to be relatively miserable because living beings there suffer more from fear, hunger, thirst, heat, cold and pain.

In general, wholesome actions such as good conduct, charity and mental development, are the causes of rebirth in the happy realms of gods, demigods and human beings. On the other hand, unwholesome actions such as immoral conduct, miserliness and cruelty cause rebirth in the unhappy realms of animals, hungry ghosts and the hells.

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Reply from shayne
Aug.01.2008
09:19PM EDT 
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In general, wholesome actions such as good conduct, charity and mental development, are the causes of rebirth in the happy realms of gods.

mental development...

this is way im a god or at least gonna be next life time and your snibbler.

hahaahhah.

im just joking.

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Reply from Snibbler
Aug.01.2008
10:08PM EDT 
vertical line Hmmmm... Wondering abouth going into business as psykic, think that would be awsome!:)

Like, whoever comes to visit me, I`d start by telling abouth this amazing vibrant soul and amazing lifes of my last customer. How I helped him recollect past lifes of mainly famouse rulers, buddhas, wisemen and the lot. Right past the stoneage and back to when he was a dinosaur Which was his first reincarnation here on earth.

And then I`ll continue by telling telling of how we discovered that he really originated from an already very old and wise soul from Alpha Centauri. And that he stranded here on earth after an awesomely heroic self sacrifising deed in the old intergalactic war, never to return home to his little gooey bluegreenish planet.

After this story, the client probable find it irresistible to go for the awesomely cool Mega pack offer, FRALP - Full Rediscovery of All Life Past" for only 600$, which includes Up to 10 hours of DV video of the FRALP seanse. Taking care to mentione that in extreme cases additional 1 hour dv cassettes can be bought at discount.

After the client have paid, I start with looking into my crystal, letting my gaze become more and more intense and focused before I finally look up with a puzzeled look saying:

"Hmmm... Huh, sorry, but you are a new soul. There is no previouse life experiense
at all, so not much to say really"

And the I let this ackward silence settle, only surpassed by the ticking of the clock mounted on the wall. Maybe I start sorting my papers, or better, just sit there looking strange at him while I gently tap my pencil at the desk until he leaves.

Yeah, I`d probable be a damn good psykick I guess!
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Reply from Snibbler
Aug.01.2008
10:22PM EDT 
vertical line Don`t know if I like the tought of generating negative carma debt trough the life spans. Like, kinda a real downer to die only to discover one has 3billion years, and mounting, of old debt to pay off before one can even consider starting on the down payment for all the mischiefs of This life:/
But hey, maybe it`s  the American way of re-incarnation, so I wont meddle with how others do things.
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Reply from Snibbler
Aug.01.2008
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Because of the force of their karma, people are born and reborn endlessly in one realm of existence or in another. The Buddha declared that there is no permanent rest in this cycle of birth and death. It is only when one follows the Noble Eightfold path taught by the Buddha and eventually attains Nirvana, that one finally becomes free from this ceaseless cycle and gains supreme and permanent happiness.

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Well then, This is the ONLY way?
Was that not the words Mara would speak or something according to Buddha?.. .

"cough" /0)


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Reply from shayne
Aug.01.2008
11:31PM EDT 
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vertical line not mara....buddha. duh.
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.01.2008
11:33PM EDT 
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vertical line yeah, we want the one with the skylight

oh, oh, that's cars, never mind
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.01.2008
11:57PM EDT 
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I very much wonder about and doubt many statements and documentations that come from the past.

Here in the land of Oz, there was a saying put to use by the infamous Chopper Reid in the movie Chopper.

It sorta goes like this:

Why ruin a good yarn(story) by telling the truth....

Now, lets play follow the leader.

How long does this game go for anyway?

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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.02.2008
01:54AM EDT 
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vertical line 12/12/2012
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Aug.02.2008
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vertical line Which incidently is the excact date Zablo came to upon realizing the utter stupidety of
continuing the tidiouse carving of a calendar allready tousands of years ahead of time!
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Aug.02.2008
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vertical line lol. whats 12/12/2012 supposed to mean woodsy? the end of the world according to you?
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Aug.02.2008
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.02.2008
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Aug.02.2008
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Team up with the other one and you're almost certain to come back as a fence post.
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Aug.02.2008
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Quote: "Or one could also choose, as long as choice is available.  "
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choose what woodsy?

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Aug.02.2008
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Quote: "Or one could also choose, as long as choice is available.  "
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choose what woodsy?

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release from suffering, using the eightfold path
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Reply from shayne
Aug.02.2008
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vertical line ah i see. yepper. pretty much.
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Aug.02.2008
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vertical line And determining which path to follow at any one time may be the trick, especially around people, who know nothing of what causes their suffering, on any path. So I find silence to be the first introduction, nature encourages this... wind in the trees have breathing quality, bird songs have a word quality, but we don't supersede nature, but become one with it, first by listening, and minimizing harm.
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.03.2008
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Could percieved re-incarnation be no more than an insight into the life experience of  another one?

Could this be like a loose live wire in a moving vehicle making random contact with the body of that vehicle at times and when it does a guage comes to life again that has been considered faulty?

One loosing the one and connecting to other ones?

Why only past lives. In the vastness of reality where are the future lives?

????Where does the potter put the damn handle?????

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Aug.03.2008
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s n o t - a - g o o g l e - m u
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