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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: WHAT DOES THIS KOAN MEAN TO YOU?
vertical line Posted on Jul.28.2008 @ 02:43PM EDT by DharmaZen
"Two hands clap and there is a sound; what is the sound of one hand?"
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.28.2008
03:05PM EDT 
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vertical line Alone, completely by yourself, as the source of awakening.
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Jul.28.2008
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vertical line Nothing. That is all.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.28.2008
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vertical line See? I didn't hear that.
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Reply from Snibbler
Jul.28.2008
09:29PM EDT 
vertical line Hmmm... Ok, are we speaking of the sound of just one single hand clapping, or the sound One of the two hands make in and of itself isolated when clapping them togheter? Please clearify.
(Btw, nice name there D, is it ok if I call U DZ as short for Dizzy?)
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Reply from Snibbler
Jul.28.2008
09:34PM EDT 
vertical line (Ps! I`m not offended at all by calling you Dizzy! So no worry, ok?;)
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Jul.29.2008
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One may know the sound of one hand clapping, but why it is is is still a mystery.

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Reply from gyro16
Jul.29.2008
07:55AM EDT 
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vertical line The sound of one hand is THIS... see, you didn't hear that, but it still is. If you get my meaning...
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Reply from shayne
Jul.29.2008
08:19PM EDT 
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vertical line emptiness.
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Reply from DharmaZen
Aug.01.2008
12:02PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "The sound of one hand is THIS... see, you didn't hear that, but it still is. If you get my meaning..."
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Excellent answer, I was trying to explain this Koan to a friend of mine and...well...there is it. Thank  YOU!!!

With Much Metta,
Jaymes
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Reply from ______
Aug.01.2008
12:41PM EDT 
vertical line A koan is a catalyst. Don't try and 'explain' or solve it. Clich├ęd koans with explanations are lifeless. What does this koan mean to you?
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Reply from glorymind
Aug.01.2008
12:58PM EDT 
vertical line Interbeing.
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Reply from Snibbler
Aug.01.2008
01:29PM EDT 
vertical line Hmmm..m  yeah, I`ll stick to whatever gyro16 said too!:)
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Reply from Snibbler
Aug.01.2008
01:35PM EDT 
vertical line (What??.. I mean, since it didn`t make any sense it gotta be right, right? At least the answer fits then, ey?:)
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Reply from Snibbler
Aug.01.2008
01:38PM EDT 
vertical line I`ll explain, let me show you:

THIS...

see?
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.01.2008
02:32PM EDT 
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vertical line and just what is interbeing  mr. Thich? and just don't say it, for the others, in me...
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Reply from StuckTail
Aug.11.2008
01:24PM EDT 
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vertical line The koan is just like "what can you see with your eyes open that you can still see with them closed?"

"Having eyes".

What can you hear before one hand or two clap or don't?

"Having ears".

Where do I meet and exchange with the ears and eyes?

"Not having, not not having"
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Reply from ______
Aug.11.2008
01:54PM EDT 
vertical line In your imagination.
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Reply from 9999999
Aug.11.2008
09:33PM EDT 
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vertical line poop pee fart barf

stick that in your pipe and smoke it
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Reply from Mslapik
Aug.11.2008
11:12PM EDT 
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vertical line I know a guy who can clap with one hand by hitting his fingers against his palm. Maybe thats what its referring to.

haha
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Reply from ______
Aug.12.2008
07:21PM EDT 
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Reply from Mika-san
Aug.13.2008
10:55PM EDT 
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vertical line The sound of one hand clapping is supposed to be silence and is a polite way of telling someone else to shut-up!
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Aug.14.2008
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vertical line Quote: "The sound of one hand clapping is supposed to be silence and is a polite way of telling someone else to shut-up!"
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The sound of one hand clapping isn't supposed to be any such thing. Nor is it a polite way of telling someone else anything.  In the hand of some it has become cliche and if that's what you think it's supposed to be, then for you that's what it is.  
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.14.2008
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Quote: "The sound of one hand clapping is supposed to be silence and is a polite way of telling someone else to shut-up!"
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Hmmmmm. I know that this is right.

Dont you?

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Reply from ______
Aug.14.2008
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vertical line No I don't, thank God.  Do you think that when someone else shuts up, there is silence?
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Reply from ______
Aug.14.2008
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vertical line Hey, how about I write a review of Joe's Woodstock performance?  Then you can see if you can tie it all up, nail it all down or whatever else you want to do with those hands. What do you reckon?  Would it make a difference? Would the sound of one hand clapping be the same sound as two hands clapping?  Then perhaps I could hear about what zen Buddhist monks do all day 800 years ago in Japan when they aren't not shaving their heads if they don't want to.  


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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.14.2008
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I have drank alot of Woodstock bourbon and then put on various performances I am told.

And as I was cheered I cant remember if people were clapping with two hands or one really.

My life have been full of missed opportunities like that.

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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.15.2008
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.15.2008
08:53AM EDT 
vertical line What is not the sound of one hand clapping?
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.15.2008
09:15AM EDT 
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vertical line clap, the contagious one

keep it in
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Reply from mahalaxmi
Jul.11.2009
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vertical line You cannot produce sound from one hand. Which means, what is left without sound is silence. The thoughtless mind in called silent mind. The WISDOM (Gnan in Hindi) or TRUTH (Sathya is Hindi)can be realized though the silent mind. Silence is the powerful language though which Wisdom/Truth can be explained/realized. Zen monks insists to make your mind a thoughtless one as through this silence they can teach what zen is, to their disciple. You call a 'sound' when you are able to listen to something. If that is so, if you are able to listen to silence (soundlessness) then you can call the silence as soundless sound. 'Listen to the Silence' is what been thought by Zen monk.

Please see http://mahalaxmitr.blogspot.com/2009/07/sound-of-one-hand.html

There are also explaination for other zen stories in this link
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Reply from dragoss
Jul.13.2009
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one half of the hole cant exspress its self

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Reply from immortal 1
Jul.14.2009
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one half of the hole cant exspress its self

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What is the sound?  Then there is sound.  It is also said to be the sound of clapping.  The sound of one hand clapping is probably the same clapping sound made by two hands clapping. 

What is the sound of one hand clapping?  Clapping, obviously, moron.

What I really want to know is if the hole in the doughnut is really part of the doughnut?Clearly it would not be a doughnut without the hole, but if it is not the same as the outer part of the doughnut how can it be part of the doughnut?

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Quote: "You cannot produce sound from one hand. Which means, what is left without sound is silence. The thoughtless mind in called silent mind. The WISDOM (Gnan in Hindi) or TRUTH (Sathya is Hindi)can be realized though the silent mind. Silence is the powerful language though which Wisdom/Truth can be explained/realized. Zen monks insists to make your mind a thoughtless one as through this silence they can teach what zen is, to their disciple. You call a 'sound' when you are able to listen to something. If that is so, if you are able to listen to silence (soundlessness) then you can call the silence as soundless sound. 'Listen to the Silence' is what been thought by Zen monk.

Please see http://mahalaxmitr.blogspot.com/2009/07/sound-of-one-hand.html

There are also explaination for other zen stories in this link
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There is an old Calabrese saying which says:

The master potter puts the handle on his pots wherever he thinks they should go.

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Reply from immortal 1
Jul.14.2009
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What is the sound?  Then there is sound.  It is also said to be the sound of clapping.  The sound of one hand clapping is probably the same clapping sound made by two hands clapping. 

What is the sound of one hand clapping?  Clapping, obviously, moron.

What I really want to know is if the hole in the doughnut is really part of the doughnut?Clearly it would not be a doughnut without the hole, but if it is not the same as the outer part of the doughnut how can it be part of the doughnut?

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Reply from shayne
Jul.14.2009
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the sound of one hand clapping is the sound of nothingness.

emptiness.

it points to emptiness as do all the koans.

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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.14.2009
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Reply from floating_a
Jul.14.2009
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one half of the hole cant exspress its self

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What is the sound?  Then there is sound.  It is also said to be the sound of clapping.  The sound of one hand clapping is probably the same clapping sound made by two hands clapping. 

What is the sound of one hand clapping?  Clapping, obviously, moron.

What I really want to know is if the hole in the doughnut is really part of the doughnut?Clearly it would not be a doughnut without the hole, but if it is not the same as the outer part of the doughnut how can it be part of the doughnut?

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In your mind, is awakening a bit laissez faire - things don't matter since all is It, It will never change etc etc (replicating some of your posts around the place). Do you not care about things anymore? _/|\_
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Reply from immortal 1
Jul.15.2009
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one half of the hole cant exspress its self

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What is the sound?  Then there is sound.  It is also said to be the sound of clapping.  The sound of one hand clapping is probably the same clapping sound made by two hands clapping. 

What is the sound of one hand clapping?  Clapping, obviously, moron.

What I really want to know is if the hole in the doughnut is really part of the doughnut?Clearly it would not be a doughnut without the hole, but if it is not the same as the outer part of the doughnut how can it be part of the doughnut?

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In your mind, is awakening a bit laissez faire - things don't matter since all is It, It will never change etc etc (replicating some of your posts around the place). Do you not care about things anymore? _/|\_
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In your mind, is awakening a bit laissez faire - things don't matter since all is It, It will never change etc etc (replicating some of your posts around the place). Do you not care about things anymore? _/|\_
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That is a fair question, and not necessarily related to awakening in general.

I not only do not fear death, but I do not fear non-existence.  I have nothing to lose in either case.  And nothing to gain in living either.  It is just now, things as It is, so that is what I am being.

Whats the difference between me now and before awakening?  Before I would think and decide what was good or bad, and then reconcile with my feelings.  Now I first see  how I feel about things, and then reconcile with my thoughts.

Feelings are natural.  Thoughts are made or conditioned.

I do recommend that one first measure their feelings, and then think to see if what they feel is workable or practical.

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Reply from floating_a
Jul.15.2009
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vertical line Feelings are also conditioned.

I find it interesting that compassion is not in your dictionary or approach after awakening.

Knowing what thus is, it's like it no matters much of anything to you. Perhaps I have read you wrong, but it is unfamiliar to me, this attitude.

Also, this nothingness that you speak of so much is not mere nothingness, as Huang Po said.

Best wishes.
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Jul.15.2009
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To me, this Koan mean, that two hands make a sound when they brought together with force. One hand does not make a sound. The sound is there in potential. So, the sound is there but not to be heard yet.

Edwin

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Reply from immortal 1
Jul.16.2009
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Quote: "Feelings are also conditioned.

I find it interesting that compassion is not in your dictionary or approach after awakening.

Knowing what thus is, it's like it no matters much of anything to you. Perhaps I have read you wrong, but it is unfamiliar to me, this attitude.

Also, this nothingness that you speak of so much is not mere nothingness, as Huang Po said.

Best wishes.
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I have considerable empathy for everything.  I try not to harm anything unnecessarily.  And I am sincerely sorry when harming something is necessary.

I have killed many times, and many have tried to kill me.  Thats life, and death.  Principle components of what we are experiencing here.  My blood runs cold in life and death situations.  I suppose that is conditioned.

Later on I can reflect on things that did occur, or might have occured, and that usually makes me feel sad.  But in the moment there is no time for reflection.  And overall both life and death are delusions.

Seekers on their path often want to focus on attributes that they think will help them.  Compassion is one of these.  And there is nothing wrong with devotion to your path.  But the truth is that any path will take you to the same place, whether Buddhism, Christianity, or even Black Magic. 

Awakening is not specific to any one belief system.  Just about all of them have some name for it, whether Satori, Epiphany, or whatever.  I suspect the experience has been around as long as mankind, probably since the time of ancient Witch Doctors.  It may not even be unique to this plane of existence.  After awakening you dont need a path anymore.  Then you have all paths, and none of them, at the same time.

To be yourself is the truest service to Buddha.  No matter what that is.  Good or bad.  Search your heart and know yourself, and then be that.  Understand your Buddha Nature, your own uniqueness.  Thats what you are for.  Me too, and everyone and everything else.  Deep down we are all the same, molecules and atoms, and deeper still the etherial essence of the universe.

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Jul.16.2009
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To me, this Koan mean, that two hands make a sound when they brought together with force. One hand does not make a sound. The sound is there in potential. So, the sound is there but not to be heard yet.

Edwin

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The sound is there in potential.

Where is this THERE, exactly?

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Jul.16.2009
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Quote: "Feelings are also conditioned.

I find it interesting that compassion is not in your dictionary or approach after awakening.

Knowing what thus is, it's like it no matters much of anything to you. Perhaps I have read you wrong, but it is unfamiliar to me, this attitude.

Also, this nothingness that you speak of so much is not mere nothingness, as Huang Po said.

Best wishes.
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I have considerable empathy for everything.  I try not to harm anything unnecessarily.  And I am sincerely sorry when harming something is necessary.

I have killed many times, and many have tried to kill me.  Thats life, and death.  Principle components of what we are experiencing here.  My blood runs cold in life and death situations.  I suppose that is conditioned.

Later on I can reflect on things that did occur, or might have occured, and that usually makes me feel sad.  But in the moment there is no time for reflection.  And overall both life and death are delusions.

Seekers on their path often want to focus on attributes that they think will help them.  Compassion is one of these.  And there is nothing wrong with devotion to your path.  But the truth is that any path will take you to the same place, whether Buddhism, Christianity, or even Black Magic. 

Awakening is not specific to any one belief system.  Just about all of them have some name for it, whether Satori, Epiphany, or whatever.  I suspect the experience has been around as long as mankind, probably since the time of ancient Witch Doctors.  It may not even be unique to this plane of existence.  After awakening you dont need a path anymore.  Then you have all paths, and none of them, at the same time.

To be yourself is the truest service to Buddha.  No matter what that is.  Good or bad.  Search your heart and know yourself, and then be that.  Understand your Buddha Nature, your own uniqueness.  Thats what you are for.  Me too, and everyone and everything else.  Deep down we are all the same, molecules and atoms, and deeper still the etherial essence of the universe.

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What in your experience or knowledge suggests every path is the same.

And what do you call awakening, immortal?

As to the rest of what you say, yes perhaps, it doesn't seem foreign to me but perhaps it is the attitude - but it has helped me learn. If not just to consider a bit deeper.

Thanks and well wishes.
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Reply from immortal 1
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Quote: "Feelings are also conditioned.

I find it interesting that compassion is not in your dictionary or approach after awakening.

Knowing what thus is, it's like it no matters much of anything to you. Perhaps I have read you wrong, but it is unfamiliar to me, this attitude.

Also, this nothingness that you speak of so much is not mere nothingness, as Huang Po said.

Best wishes.
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I have considerable empathy for everything.  I try not to harm anything unnecessarily.  And I am sincerely sorry when harming something is necessary.

I have killed many times, and many have tried to kill me.  Thats life, and death.  Principle components of what we are experiencing here.  My blood runs cold in life and death situations.  I suppose that is conditioned.

Later on I can reflect on things that did occur, or might have occured, and that usually makes me feel sad.  But in the moment there is no time for reflection.  And overall both life and death are delusions.

Seekers on their path often want to focus on attributes that they think will help them.  Compassion is one of these.  And there is nothing wrong with devotion to your path.  But the truth is that any path will take you to the same place, whether Buddhism, Christianity, or even Black Magic. 

Awakening is not specific to any one belief system.  Just about all of them have some name for it, whether Satori, Epiphany, or whatever.  I suspect the experience has been around as long as mankind, probably since the time of ancient Witch Doctors.  It may not even be unique to this plane of existence.  After awakening you dont need a path anymore.  Then you have all paths, and none of them, at the same time.

To be yourself is the truest service to Buddha.  No matter what that is.  Good or bad.  Search your heart and know yourself, and then be that.  Understand your Buddha Nature, your own uniqueness.  Thats what you are for.  Me too, and everyone and everything else.  Deep down we are all the same, molecules and atoms, and deeper still the etherial essence of the universe.

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What in your experience or knowledge suggests every path is the same.

And what do you call awakening, immortal?

As to the rest of what you say, yes perhaps, it doesn't seem foreign to me but perhaps it is the attitude - but it has helped me learn. If not just to consider a bit deeper.

Thanks and well wishes.
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What in your experience or knowledge suggests every path is the same.

And what do you call awakening, immortal?

As to the rest of what you say, yes perhaps, it doesn't seem foreign to me but perhaps it is the attitude - but it has helped me learn. If not just to consider a bit deeper.

Thanks and well wishes.
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What I would call awakening is understanding the essence of the universe.  Who you really are.  As Shunyro Suzuki said on his deathbed, "Im not afraid to die.  I know who I really am."  Do you know what he meant?  I do.

Can you see it all as One?  For example, many believe that eating meat is bad, so they eat only plants.  But what about the poor plants?  Just because they dont have cute little eyes that look back at you when you kill them doesnt mean they long to give their lives to fill your stomach.  Is their loss less than that of animals?

Can you help one thing without hurting another?  Can you hurt one thing without helping another?  If you pull the fly from the spiders web the fly will be happy, and you may get a warm fuzzy feeling, but the spider may have to starve because of it.

Compassion?  At what point does sensitivity to the world become insensitivity to the universe; and at what point does insensitivity to the world become sensitivity to the universe?  You have to think it all the way through.  Consider everything.

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Quote: "Feelings are also conditioned.

I find it interesting that compassion is not in your dictionary or approach after awakening.

Knowing what thus is, it's like it no matters much of anything to you. Perhaps I have read you wrong, but it is unfamiliar to me, this attitude.

Also, this nothingness that you speak of so much is not mere nothingness, as Huang Po said.

Best wishes.
"
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I have considerable empathy for everything.  I try not to harm anything unnecessarily.  And I am sincerely sorry when harming something is necessary.

I have killed many times, and many have tried to kill me.  Thats life, and death.  Principle components of what we are experiencing here.  My blood runs cold in life and death situations.  I suppose that is conditioned.

Later on I can reflect on things that did occur, or might have occured, and that usually makes me feel sad.  But in the moment there is no time for reflection.  And overall both life and death are delusions.

Seekers on their path often want to focus on attributes that they think will help them.  Compassion is one of these.  And there is nothing wrong with devotion to your path.  But the truth is that any path will take you to the same place, whether Buddhism, Christianity, or even Black Magic. 

Awakening is not specific to any one belief system.  Just about all of them have some name for it, whether Satori, Epiphany, or whatever.  I suspect the experience has been around as long as mankind, probably since the time of ancient Witch Doctors.  It may not even be unique to this plane of existence.  After awakening you dont need a path anymore.  Then you have all paths, and none of them, at the same time.

To be yourself is the truest service to Buddha.  No matter what that is.  Good or bad.  Search your heart and know yourself, and then be that.  Understand your Buddha Nature, your own uniqueness.  Thats what you are for.  Me too, and everyone and everything else.  Deep down we are all the same, molecules and atoms, and deeper still the etherial essence of the universe.

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What in your experience or knowledge suggests every path is the same.

And what do you call awakening, immortal?

As to the rest of what you say, yes perhaps, it doesn't seem foreign to me but perhaps it is the attitude - but it has helped me learn. If not just to consider a bit deeper.

Thanks and well wishes.
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What in your experience or knowledge suggests every path is the same.

And what do you call awakening, immortal?

As to the rest of what you say, yes perhaps, it doesn't seem foreign to me but perhaps it is the attitude - but it has helped me learn. If not just to consider a bit deeper.

Thanks and well wishes.
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What I would call awakening is understanding the essence of the universe.  Who you really are.  As Shunyro Suzuki said on his deathbed, "Im not afraid to die.  I know who I really am."  Do you know what he meant?  I do.

Can you see it all as One?  For example, many believe that eating meat is bad, so they eat only plants.  But what about the poor plants?  Just because they dont have cute little eyes that look back at you when you kill them doesnt mean they long to give their lives to fill your stomach.  Is their loss less than that of animals?

Can you help one thing without hurting another?  Can you hurt one thing without helping another?  If you pull the fly from the spiders web the fly will be happy, and you may get a warm fuzzy feeling, but the spider may have to starve because of it.

Compassion?  At what point does sensitivity to the world become insensitivity to the universe; and at what point does insensitivity to the world become sensitivity to the universe?  You have to think it all the way through.  Consider everything.

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this is exactly why i still eat meat.

though its impact on the earth and the impact on the physical body has had me consider living a vegetaerian lifestyle.

i like to throw fireflys into the spiders web. they gotta eat too.

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vertical line Quote: "You cannot produce sound from one hand. Which means, what is left without sound is silence. The thoughtless mind in called silent mind. The WISDOM (Gnan in Hindi) or TRUTH (Sathya is Hindi)can be realized though the silent mind. Silence is the powerful language though which Wisdom/Truth can be explained/realized. Zen monks insists to make your mind a thoughtless one as through this silence they can teach what zen is, to their disciple. You call a 'sound' when you are able to listen to something. If that is so, if you are able to listen to silence (soundlessness) then you can call the silence as soundless sound. 'Listen to the Silence' is what been thought by Zen monk.

Please see http://mahalaxmitr.blogspot.com/2009/07/sound-of-one-hand.html

There are also explaination for other zen stories in this link
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vertical line Quote: "You cannot produce sound from one hand. Which means, what is left without sound is silence. The thoughtless mind in called silent mind. The WISDOM (Gnan in Hindi) or TRUTH (Sathya is Hindi)can be realized though the silent mind. Silence is the powerful language though which Wisdom/Truth can be explained/realized. Zen monks insists to make your mind a thoughtless one as through this silence they can teach what zen is, to their disciple. You call a 'sound' when you are able to listen to something. If that is so, if you are able to listen to silence (soundlessness) then you can call the silence as soundless sound. 'Listen to the Silence' is what been thought by Zen monk.

Please see http://mahalaxmitr.blogspot.com/2009/07/sound-of-one-hand.html

There are also explaination for other zen stories in this link
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