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  Posted on Aug.20.2009 @ 11:07PM EDT by chontri

Bhikkhus, what is ignorance?
Not knowing suffering,
Not knowing the origin of suffering,
Not knowing the cessation of suffering,
Not knowing the path leading to... continue...

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vertical line Posted on Jul.29.2008 @ 08:55PM EDT by shayne

if theirs a heaven why not just kill yourself now and go their. if this life is such hell or some kind of battlegrounds between satan and god then why not just end it.

me personally dont beleive in such malarky. this life is heaven. and the cyclic events of death and life ARE as they appear.

sure their is ALOT of lies perpatrated. but one has to see past them.

life is how it appears.


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Jul.29.2008
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vertical line not that i endorse such actions. make this life heaven is what i say.
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Jul.30.2008
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vertical line Ok, so ///i worked last night. And listen to what I said. No I 'm goin' ta sleep,

which is heaven, as always... rest for the weary, ahhh...
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Reply from glorymind
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vertical line It's against "God" (religion) to end oneself. So, I'm afraid, you must continue to suffer along with the rest of us... in this god-forsaken hell :)

A friend of mine once said that life - here - on Earth is the easy part. Chronologically between our retreat from and return to the spiritual world.

"sure their is ALOT of lies perpatrated. but one has to see past them."

"life is how it appears"

So, you're into intuitionalism? Do you ever get the feeling that you're wrong?

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vertical line For the "Christian" in us (bear with me) there is not a heaven in the here and now, because it is a final resting place with streets of gold. What's wrong with that image, a self-image created around a future place that we will be, based on what? A sacrifice.

For heaven to be future focused, we are living with a conditional future, or not really knowing where we are at, or God, in any "heavenly" sense. Heaven, is a place where God walks with us, talks with us, "and tells me I am his own".  A God who we have never engaged in this life, we are gonna meet in the next... How dumb is that? Ah, that is why we are Buddhist, roughly, created out of, of having comie out of a false belief, a rigid belief in a non-attainable future state, which does not exist in the now, at least not without having some ranting preacher to put up with. Ah, no, thanks, be to God. The thanks goes directly to God, as Jesus does, still alive, never dead. Heaven is a present realm for what never dies, and is free of suffering.
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Quote: "It's against "God" (religion) to end oneself. So, I'm afraid, you must continue to suffer along with the rest of us... in this god-forsaken hell :)

A friend of mine once said that life - here - on Earth is the easy part. Chronologically between our retreat from and return to the spiritual world.

"sure their is ALOT of lies perpatrated. but one has to see past them."

"life is how it appears"

So, you're into intuitionalism? Do you ever get the feeling that you're wrong?

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once in awhile. haha. but generally speaking ill take heaven as a big fat NO. besides i LIKE this earth for the most part.

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Quote: "For the "Christian" in us (bear with me) there is not a heaven in the here and now, because it is a final resting place with streets of gold. What's wrong with that image, a self-image created around a future place that we will be, based on what? A sacrifice.

For heaven to be future focused, we are living with a conditional future, or not really knowing where we are at, or God, in any "heavenly" sense. Heaven, is a place where God walks with us, talks with us, "and tells me I am his own".  A God who we have never engaged in this life, we are gonna meet in the next... How dumb is that? Ah, that is why we are Buddhist, roughly, created out of, of having comie out of a false belief, a rigid belief in a non-attainable future state, which does not exist in the now, at least not without having some ranting preacher to put up with. Ah, no, thanks, be to God. The thanks goes directly to God, as Jesus does, still alive, never dead. Heaven is a present realm for what never dies, and is free of suffering.
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fictional beleifs.

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Quote: "Kwatz!!! "
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WOBBA!

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ok. so theirs a heaven. seeing as to the fact i believe in the soul. but maybe their is reincarnation AND heaven.

ill meet ya halfway.

haha.

ya reincarnate till your complete then you go to heaven.

seeing as to the fact its been 2008 years since jesus came back and even countless more since siddhatha.

id have to say..................WHAT ARE YA WAITING FOR?

haha.

mere speculation.

i still feel make this life heaven. not go to heaven.

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Jul.30.2008
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vertical line er not since jesus came back but not came back.
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Jul.30.2008
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vertical line Kwatzookeeannie-ok-lee!!!???

Ya don't have to be yes!

But you will.
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Man, you is gonna be hard to unconvert.
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Jul.30.2008
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little nut!

hahaahaah.

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Quote: "Quote: "er not since jesus came back but not came back."
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Man, you is gonna be hard to unconvert.
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i quess.............unconvert to what? dont you mean convert?

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vertical line i am satisfied with Jesus, but is Jesus satisfied with me?

Let's ask him.

Hey, ah, nevermind.
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Jul.30.2008
05:26PM EDT 
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vertical line dont worry about it, im not gonna attempt to even live up to someone elses expectations. i do good in this world cause i want too. not cause i fear the flame of hell.
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Jul.30.2008
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vertical line Yeah, sure. I don't believe you. There, you can now relate to that. Ya little sinner!
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Jul.30.2008
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vertical line relate my ass. if not for my out of body experience at my moms id still be a atheist.
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Jul.30.2008
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vertical line of course my out of body experience put me over the edge and i found its part of the reason i snapped like i did.
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Quote: "of course my out of body experience put me over the edge and i found its part of the reason i snapped like i did."
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When you were out of body, which reality were you in?

How many realities are there?

Is reality reality no matter what?

Is infinite experience possible in reality?

Is reality itself not infinite experience?

In body, out of body, in someone elses body, in a tree, it all happens now, and now is here, and thats all.

Could you have an out of body experience in heaven?

Ask someone who lives there, but tell me where you are when you ask them, and how would you know that you are asking them?

Now!

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vertical line Yes. And the topic is heaven, not oob experiences.  Or on second thought... Nope, we're sayin' in heaven! Before any unusual experiences. So now, just cut wood, carry water in  heaven stuff.
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vertical line Heaven is an honor of the sublime in the simplicity, at all times in the present..
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vertical line In heaven the past is dropped, all sin is gone, wiped clean. Sin actually becomes a fertile base for growth, and an identification with the suffering of others, with all fear gone. We go through this together as one.

The future heaven becomes as unreal as past sin which kept one out. And we begin to closely examine everything around us, observing the nature of God's arising in all matter, sound, at present, without expectations of any difference, other than with being with one, what is.
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Jul.30.2008
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vertical line bull malarky. haha
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Quote: "of course my out of body experience put me over the edge and i found its part of the reason i snapped like i did."
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When you were out of body, which reality were you in?

How many realities are there?

Is reality reality no matter what?

Is infinite experience possible in reality?

Is reality itself not infinite experience?

In body, out of body, in someone elses body, in a tree, it all happens now, and now is here, and thats all.

Could you have an out of body experience in heaven?

Ask someone who lives there, but tell me where you are when you ask them, and how would you know that you are asking them?

Now!

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the world was the same save i wasnt seen. or least the story goes. i still kinda think my mom lied. for what reason is unknown. she said doors opened by themselves and all i remember is i kept on trying to get her attention and she wouldnt acknowledge me. she even came in my room and asked me if i was downstairs and i was like........yeah i came down to help ya. that and i remember practically flying down the stairs. i was real light.

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vertical line Quote: "bull malarky. haha"
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purgatory  hehe
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Jul.30.2008
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vertical line I had an oob experience when I was takin' a crap once. I feel a nother one leavin' right n... gotta go!
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Jul.30.2008
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make this life heaven. not no afterlife.

death is death.

life is life.

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Jul.30.2008
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vertical line shayne is shaynee
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Quote: "Quote: "bull malarky. haha"
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purgatory  hehe
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oh thanks. i appreacite that one. whats purgatory anyway. another made up concept?

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vertical line purgatory is where your mom went when you had the oob experience shayneepoo

hey, it's a beginning anyway
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vertical line ah ok........she didnt go to no purgatory.
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Jul.30.2008
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ever listen to jewel. her music is heavenly.

punk.

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vertical line THIS is the heavenly life and pain is part of it of which is to be accepted.
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vertical line i thinketh that thou doest protest too much! to be wrong! Oh oh Oh oh.... ah ah ah Oh oh Oh on... nah nah NO no Nah No nO no aah ahh...>>>??///??//
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Did I ever tell you how there are no words in heaven. No concepts either. Kinda Buddhish huh?
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Ah, you don't appreciate it thought, do you? And yes, it's a concept, an idea, just like your asura and all those other Buddhist (which is a concept), terms you churn out. And then there's you of course, another concept which is all about you so you can tell them all about the concepts.

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a lie.

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hehehe

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i asked my gf if they poop in heaven and she said yes.

hahaha,

woodsman do they poop in heaven?

and do they have a septic system or do you bury it in a cloud?

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