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vertical line Posted on Jul.30.2008 @ 08:12AM EDT by IZIZIZ

THE WIZARD OF IS

I wanted  to find the wizard

The wonderful  wizard of IS

I looked to the left

I looked to the right

I looked all day

I looked all night

I learnt that the ways were many  

I learnt that the ways were long

I learnt that one must trust and believe

I learnt that others were wrong

I looked and looked till I could look no more

I sat with no answer

I heard a knock on the door

I said come in but there was no reply

I opened that door

But could only see sky

Was my mind playing tricks on me

Had my imagination gone mad

It was a strange experience

That I just had

I then heard a voice

That said, “now you know”

“This is who I am, how I come, how I go

I am the Wizard that all try to find

You now hear my voice

Right here in your mind”.

 

How I remember that find.


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Reply from IZIZIZ
Jul.30.2008
08:28AM EDT 
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Sorry. Did not think that size would come out like this. I am not computer-man.

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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.30.2008
09:36AM EDT 
vertical line I can't read any better than I right.
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Reply from glorymind
Jul.30.2008
09:43AM EDT 
vertical line Sexy poem.

Finder-finding-found. The cycle is complete!

Jesus said: I am the light that is above them all, I am the All, the All came forth from Me and the All attained to Me. Cleave a (piece of) wood, I am there; lift up the stone and you will find Me there.

According to one Zen master (can't find the koan), upon reading the Bible, he claimed that Jesus was almost Zen.

And some mumbo jumbo from here:

Jesus said, "Images are visible to people, but the light within them is hidden in the image of the father's light. He will be disclosed, but his image is hidden by his light."

Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you see your images that came into being before you and that neither die nor become visible, how much you will bear!"

There is an empirical way of knowing, and there is an intuitive way of understanding. The "father's light" exists within everyone and "will be disclosed," but we cannot know it intellectually—we cannot give it an image. Likewise, we comprise two selves—the one we see in the mirror, and the face we had before we were born. This last paradoxical image exists in nearly all mystical literature—Zen koans, the Kabbalah, the Upanishads—and here, in the Gospel of Thomas. To "see" this imageless image, to know this original self, is to arrive at a nexus where the light within illuminates the world without, and finally shows it for what it truly is—the kingdom of God. For that reason, the kingdom must exist simultaneously within and without. When Jesus' followers ask him to show them "where you are, for we must seek it," Jesus replies, "There is light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world.

The exterior posterior ulterior.
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Reply from Woodsman
Jul.30.2008
02:38PM EDT 
vertical line Well yeah, that's it, the glory of it.
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Reply from ______
Jul.31.2008
01:45PM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "Sexy poem.

Finder-finding-found. The cycle is complete!

Jesus said: I am the light that is above them all, I am the All, the All came forth from Me and the All attained to Me. Cleave a (piece of) wood, I am there; lift up the stone and you will find Me there.

According to one Zen master (can't find the koan), upon reading the Bible, he claimed that Jesus was almost Zen.

And some mumbo jumbo from here:



Jesus said, "Images are
visible to people, but the light within them is hidden in the image of the
father's light. He will be disclosed, but his image is hidden by his
light."



Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you are happy. But when you
see your images that came into being before you and that neither die nor
become visible, how much you will bear!"



There is an empirical way of knowing, and there is an
intuitive way of understanding. The "father's light" exists within
everyone and "will be disclosed," but we cannot know it intellectually—we
cannot give it an image. Likewise, we comprise two selves—the one we see in
the mirror, and the face we had before we were born. This last paradoxical image
exists in nearly all mystical literature—Zen koans, the Kabbalah, the
Upanishads—and here, in the Gospel of Thomas. To "see" this
imageless image, to know this original self, is to arrive at a nexus where the
light within illuminates the world without, and finally shows it for what it
truly is—the kingdom of God. For that reason, the kingdom must exist
simultaneously within and without. When Jesus' followers ask him to show them
"where you are, for we must seek it," Jesus replies, "There is
light within a person of light, and it shines on the whole world.

The exterior posterior ulterior.
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Stone

All sacred writings contain an outer and an inner meaning. Behind the literal words lies another range of meaning, another form of knowledge. According to an old-age tradition, Man was once in touch with this inner knowledge and inner meaning" (page 1). . . . "A parable in the Gospels is cast in the form of an ancient language now forgotten. There was a time when the language of parables could be understood. . . . Since the object of the parable is to connect higher and lower meanings, it can be thought of as a bridge between two levels, a liaison between literal and psychological understanding. . . . Through this ancient language a connection was made between higher and lower meaning—or, which is the same—the higher and lower sides of man."

In the ancient language stone is used as an image for Truth. Stone represents the most external and literal form of esoteric Truth. The commandments were written on tables of stone. . . . Christ re-named Simon Peter, which in the Greek is stone. . . . In Genesis it is said that Jacob rolled away the stone from the well. Christ was called "the stone which the builders rejected.

Thus, stone means a reliance on the literal meaning of words that have a higher esoteric meaning.



In Thomas stone occurs in logion 19:

If you become my disciples and hear my logia even these stones will minister to you.


So we can now see that this phrase becomes:



If you follow me and listen to and hear inwardly my sayings, then their higher esoteric meanings will teach and serve to raise you to a richer life.


The word stone also comes in logion 77: .



.6 Cleave the wood, I am there;
.7 lift up the stone,
.8 and you shall find me there.


The two Coptic words rendered 'lift up' are in Crum's Dictionary given as to bear up, to carry up, to take up, which Quispel's first English translation and other books render as to lift up. But it could equally well be translated as to raise up.



So that phrase #77.7 becomes
raise up the literal meaning of my words to their higher esoteric meaning.


Following this line of thought, we can go further. In #77.6 the word cleave is used by Quispel and the Metanoia books. Here is an example of the exact use of words that is such a characteristic of Thomas. That phrase is not cut, saw, chop, hack, crack, splinter, whittle the wood. The distinctive quality in the word cleave is to split wood along the grain. So we are being urged to open the meanings of Jesus' sayings in the way they are intended, most easily, to go.

When we slice lengthways a piece of wood of a tree, what do we find? We go past the bark, we go past the sapwood, we get to the heartwood.



Logion 77 is one of the most powerful in Thomas:
I am the Light that is above them all.
I am the All.
The All comes forth from me,
and the All reaches towards me.
Cleave the wood, I am there;
lift up the stone,
and you shall find me there.


So putting these two insights derived from Nicoll together in the whole logion, an identity is asserted between Jesus, the Light and Ultimate Reality, and then we get :


by finding the heart of what we are given we will find Him there,
by rising above the literal meanings of his words
we shall find Him in and as the Light.

~H.McG.R.
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Aug.01.2008
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Reply from ______
Aug.01.2008
07:55AM EDT 
vertical line Tingo Lingo till your skin clears up.
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