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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: WHAT HAPPENS IF
vertical line Posted on Aug.13.2008 @ 11:14PM EDT by 8yearplan
what happens if you dont achieve spiritual enlightenment before you die...


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Reply from 9999999
Aug.13.2008
11:27PM EDT 
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vertical line dunno

what would you say enlightenment is?
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Reply from 9999999
Aug.13.2008
11:34PM EDT 
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vertical line also what would you say you are?

these may be valid questions to consider
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Reply from glorymind
Aug.14.2008
08:18AM EDT 
vertical line You just answered your own question.

Question: what happens if you dont achieve spiritual enlightenment before you die...

Answer:
you dont achieve spiritual enlightenment before you die.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.14.2008
08:59AM EDT 
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You die just the same

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.14.2008
09:06AM EDT 
vertical line And, before you die, which experience is not enlightening anyway?
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.14.2008
09:08AM EDT 
vertical line Moreso, which experience is not enlightenment? 
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Reply from ______
Aug.14.2008
09:57AM EDT 
vertical line What happens if?
You become a muffin.
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Reply from Snibbler
Aug.14.2008
10:04AM EDT 
vertical line To not achieve spiritual enlightenment before one die...
Most probable you`ll spend eternity in eternal damnation for an eternal long time in hell experiencing the most horrific horrors and pain so one learns to appreciate Gods compassion and trust in his wisdom and thus becoming a more humble and mellow spirit.
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Reply from Snibbler
Aug.14.2008
10:07AM EDT 
vertical line The only thing certainty is that it most probable will be a most cruel and unusual punishment awaiting for those having not achieved spiritual enlightenment etc.
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Reply from stephen
Aug.14.2008
11:07AM EDT 
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vertical line The answer is not known. Many believe we will be reborn. A higher or lower rebirth is possible. We have been very lucky to be reborn as humans and can understand the teachings. Enlightenment will come when it comes, rebirth will come when it comes. The are many questions but few anwsers. MU
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Reply from Lynnoh
Aug.14.2008
11:26AM EDT 
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vertical line what die?
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Reply from shayne
Aug.14.2008
11:36AM EDT 
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vertical line if you continue on your deathbed to become enlightened in your next life time you will continue again until eventually you will become enlightened.
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Reply from shayne
Aug.14.2008
11:37AM EDT 
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Quote: "To not achieve spiritual enlightenment before one die...
Most probable you`ll spend eternity in eternal damnation for an eternal long time in hell experiencing the most horrific horrors and pain so one learns to appreciate Gods compassion and trust in his wisdom and thus becoming a more humble and mellow spirit.
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ok..........i think not.

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Aug.14.2008
11:38AM EDT 
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Quote: "The only thing certainty is that it most probable will be a most cruel and unusual punishment awaiting for those having not achieved spiritual enlightenment etc. "
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this is no certainity......goof.

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Reply from Lynnoh
Aug.14.2008
11:41AM EDT 
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vertical line shayne :)
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Aug.14.2008
11:46AM EDT 
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vertical line hey lynnoh.
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Aug.14.2008
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vertical line "hey"  :)
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Aug.14.2008
11:56AM EDT 
vertical line whey whey wahey
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Aug.14.2008
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Quote: "whey whey wahey"
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goof.

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Aug.14.2008
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when i was a 13 year old kid i was looking for something. didnt know quite what. then i looked into a mirror. what is it your looking for shayne? looked in my eyes. looked at my eyebrows. looked at my face. then i realized its that which looks.

then it struck me. i was looking for my own mind.

enlightenment.

enlightenment looks for enlightenment.

the end.

nothing more. nothing less.

this mind.

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Aug.14.2008
12:10PM EDT 
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vertical line this isnt the bible snibbler. its zen.
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Aug.14.2008
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vertical line rofl
cruel and unusual
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.15.2008
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vertical line sitting on toilet
cool and usual
long hangers...
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Aug.15.2008
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vertical line Quote: "To not achieve spiritual enlightenment before one die...
Most probable you`ll spend eternity in eternal damnation for an eternal long time in hell experiencing the most horrific horrors and pain so one learns to appreciate Gods compassion and trust in his wisdom and thus becoming a more humble and mellow spirit.
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"Jammin' in the name of the lord!"
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Aug.15.2008
08:10AM EDT 
vertical line In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight
wei-ooh wim-o-wei
wei-ooh wim-o-wei

wei wei
and a wei
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Aug.15.2008
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Quote: "In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight
wei-ooh wim-o-wei
wei-ooh wim-o-wei

wei wei
and a wei
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hahahaha  

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Aug.15.2008
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Quote: "In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight
wei-ooh wim-o-wei
wei-ooh wim-o-wei

wei wei
and a wei
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hahahaha :) 

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Aug.15.2008
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Quote: "sitting on toilet
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Does this help:

Life has no whence; it is carrying forth, and carrying forth again. Death has no whither; it is carrying away; and carrying away again. Ultimately how is it? If the mind does not differ, myriad things are one suchness.

-Dôgen, "Rational Zen"

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Aug.15.2008
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so you now take the computer to the restroom with you Woodsy?

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Aug.15.2008
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Does this help:

Life has no whence; it is carrying forth, and carrying forth again. Death has no whither; it is carrying away; and carrying away again. Ultimately how is it? If the mind does not differ, myriad things are one suchness.

-Dôgen, "Rational Zen"

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ya lost me, when the whence comethed
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Aug.15.2008
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so you now take the computer to the restroom with you Woodsy?

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no, it takes it to me, sweety.
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Aug.16.2008
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Life has no whence; it is carrying forth, and carrying forth again. Death has no whither; it is carrying away; and carrying away again. Ultimately how is it? If the mind does not differ, myriad things are one suchness.

-Dôgen, "Rational Zen"

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ya lost me, when the whence comethed
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Dead man and future man nip off past man.  Now headless and round the bend. 
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Aug.16.2008
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no, it takes it to me, sweety.
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so you are just writing what you see?

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Aug.16.2008
04:53PM EDT 
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so you are just writing what you see?

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I think, too much.
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