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  One day when P'ang layman (740-808)was selling bamboo baskets at the market place of Hung-chou.
Seeing a monk begging alms, he took out a cash and said:
-Can you tell me how to appreciate alms?
The monk had nothing to say.
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vertical line Posted on Aug.14.2008 @ 12:13PM EDT by shayne

words can bring enlightenment to some.

ive led many toward the path to enlightenment.

ive talked to many.

im awake.


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Aug.14.2008
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vertical line words can lead some toward the path
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Aug.14.2008
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vertical line If you find the Buddha, kill him.
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Aug.14.2008
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vertical line Unless he bear arms!
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vertical line But if it is the president of the united states, then it`s youre holy duty regardless!
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Aug.14.2008
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vertical line abraKadabra
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Aug.14.2008
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vertical line hey . . . presto
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Aug.14.2008
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vertical line presto chango pronto
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Aug.14.2008
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Quote: "words can bring"

Quote: "words can lead"

bring what ?

lead what ?

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Aug.14.2008
11:01PM EDT 
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Quote: "hey . . . presto"
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:)

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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.15.2008
12:03AM EDT 
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vertical line Words can't bring me cookies, which  pleases, anyway.
I lead others into the dark, then click on the light, smiling.
I talk to no one, and God.
"zzzz..... zzzzz.....  zzzzzzz......", God must be sleeping.
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.15.2008
09:01AM EDT 
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words can bring enlightenment to some.

ive led many toward the path to enlightenment.

ive talked to many.

im awake.

How does this feel?

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Aug.15.2008
09:16AM EDT 
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Aug.15.2008
10:33AM EDT 
vertical line Eat me!
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Aug.15.2008
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vertical line sniff this. and first close your eyes
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Aug.16.2008
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vertical line ShaZam, AlaKaZamm - watch out for the decanted extra tricks, like a big false bottomed suitcase in a trapdoor and a one-way mirror seen as a two-way in the smoke of a hidden recess and . . .and
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Aug.16.2008
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vertical line . . . and a bobby in your handbag behind a curtain
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Aug.16.2008
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vertical line Quote: "sniff this. and first close your eyes "
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Not falling fot that again! (U sick, sick man!)

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Aug.16.2008
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vertical line I don't get the whole "kill the buddha thing."

Is it getting over attachment, whats the point?
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Aug.17.2008
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vertical line find out for yourself and by yourself at all costs--take no prisoners---this is about you and not anyone else.

will you settle for beliefs? what does that do for you? what is it that makes you inclined to believe (in anything)?

Whatever Buddha said and did is hearsay as far as your are concerned.  For example:  creation is a belief.  evolution is a belief.  these are both things that you cannot verify for yourself and by yourself that you evolved or were created.

What is the honest answer?
Any other examples of where this can be applied?
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vertical line Quote: "I don't get the whole "kill the buddha thing."

Is it getting over attachment, whats the point?
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Think it means that if you think you`re special, enlightened, a buddha, then most probably the ego is playing a trick on you..
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Aug.17.2008
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vertical line Quote: "I don't get the whole "kill the buddha thing."

Is it getting over attachment, whats the point?
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the Buddha is never "over there", but inside yourself
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Aug.17.2008
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Quote: "Quote: "I don't get the whole "kill the buddha thing."

Is it getting over attachment, whats the point?
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the Buddha is never "over there", but inside yourself
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and where is "over there"?

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Aug.17.2008
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vertical line and how bout "never"?
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vertical line over there is in never?
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vertical line what? unless you're over there?
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Aug.17.2008
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vertical line hmmmm
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Quote: "Quote: "I don't get the whole "kill the buddha thing."

Is it getting over attachment, whats the point?
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the Buddha is never "over there", but inside yourself
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and where is "over there"?

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The question itself.
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over there
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still is
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what's there is here
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here
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Aug.18.2008
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vertical line Lama Surya Das is
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vertical line and I say again! who is the one who looks without any eyes and who speaks without any tongue and whos presense is known in the items of a room and how might I hear the voice without a sound and how might I know the presnse without any body and how might I feel the looking without any face to prove....hmmmm
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Quote: "I don't get the whole "kill the buddha thing."

Is it getting over attachment, whats the point?
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The idea is that anyone claiming to be Buddha is making a false claim and should be killed immediately.

The paradox is that no one who understands Buddha would ever make such a claim, anymore than they could deny it.

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Quote: "I don't get the whole "kill the buddha thing."

Is it getting over attachment, whats the point?
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The idea is that anyone claiming to be Buddha is making a false claim and should be killed immediately.


The paradox is that no one who understands Buddha would ever make such a claim, anymore than they could deny it.

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Ah no, before you go out looking for Buddhas to kill, pause and consider that 'if you meet Buddha on the road, kill him', is not meant to be taken literally. See, if I met someone claiming to be Buddha, I would have met someone claiming to be Buddha. However, if I met Buddha on the road, I would have had an idea [about Buddha], which is to be killed metaphorically. As for the "paradox" there is none because the Buddha cannot be understood through ideas. Unless you're a fundamentalist Buddhist or something full of ideas about claims and counter-claims.
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Quote: "If you find the Buddha, kill him."
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In nothingness what is there to find?

If you find a thing. A car, a tree, a stick, a man, the Buddha. What have you found?

Kill it you fool.

Things are not there in no-thing-ness.

Thats right, not even a Buddha.

Oh, how dare we.

Being religious non-religious buddhists, zen buddhists, zennists, undercover christians and whatever else.   

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Quote: "If you find the Buddha, kill him."
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In nothingness what is there to find?


If you find a thing. A car, a tree, a stick, a man, the Buddha. What have you found?


Kill it you fool.


Things are not there in no-thing-ness.


Thats right, not even a Buddha.


Oh, how dare we.


Being religious non-religious buddhists, zen buddhists, zennists, undercover christians and whatever else.   

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If, as you opine, "things are not there in no-thing -ness", what does "kill" mean - what is there to kill?
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Exactly right. 'what' is the only thing there to kill.

If you meet the Buddha, ask him his name.

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vertical line It's a question, not a statement of fact. "Killing" in that context is just another concept, just another idea.

I see now
that all creatures
have perfect enlightenment
- but they do not know it.

~Gautama Buddha


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vertical line O, friend! Nobody veils you, but yourself.
In your path there is no thorn or weed, but yourself.
You asked: shall I reach the beloved or not?
Between you and the beloved there is nobody, but yourself.
~Awhadoddin Kermani
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vertical line How long will you keep pounding on an open door
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~Rabi'a al-'Adawiyya

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yet fool I am,
I desire the cause of suffering!

~Shantideva
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vertical line Wisdom tells me I am nothing.
Love tells me I am everything.
Between the two my life flows.

~Nisargadatta Maharaj



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vertical line In the morning, the one who does not understand will
consider what he will do,
while the one who understands will
consider what the one will do with him.

~Ibn 'ata 'illah

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If you meet the Buddha, ask him his name.

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Quote: "I do not desire suffering;
yet fool I am,
I desire the cause of suffering!

~Shantideva
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this one

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Quote: "Wisdom tells me I am nothing.
Love tells me I am everything.
Between the two my life flows.

~Nisargadatta Maharaj



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hmmm

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How do you know this?

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I don't know

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Even so you better get over it.  You never know.
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Quote: "Well good for you if that's your good.

Even so you better get over it.  You never know.
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ohhhhh  never mind  :)

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Quote: "Well good for you if that's your good.

Even so you better get over it.  You never know.
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Quote: "I don't get the whole "kill the buddha thing."

Is it getting over attachment, whats the point?
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The idea is that anyone claiming to be Buddha is making a false claim and should be killed immediately.


The paradox is that no one who understands Buddha would ever make such a claim, anymore than they could deny it.

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Ah no, before you go out looking for Buddhas to kill, pause and consider that 'if you meet Buddha on the road, kill him', is not meant to be taken literally. See, if I met someone claiming to be Buddha, I would have met someone claiming to be Buddha. However, if I met Buddha on the road, I would have had an idea [about Buddha], which is to be killed metaphorically. As for the "paradox" there is none because the Buddha cannot be understood through ideas. Unless you're a fundamentalist Buddhist or something full of ideas about claims and counter-claims. "
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Ah no, before you go out looking for Buddhas to kill, pause and consider that 'if you meet Buddha on the road, kill him', is not meant to be taken literally. See, if I met someone claiming to be Buddha, I would have met someone claiming to be Buddha. However, if I met Buddha on the road, I would have had an idea [about Buddha], which is to be killed metaphorically. As for the "paradox" there is none because the Buddha cannot be understood through ideas. Unless you're a fundamentalist Buddhist or something full of ideas about claims and counter-claims.
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This reminds of the scene in Annie Hall where Woody Allen, tired of the ramblings of an 'expert' in the movie line, fetches the original author whose work is in question and has him say what he meant.

Did you at some point in time confer with the original author, or shall we go fetch him?

I'm sure many meanings could be inferred.  Now we have both offered ours. Namaste.

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