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  Subhuti was Buddha's disciple. He was able to understand the potency of emptiness, that nothing exists except in its relationship of subjectivity and objectivity. One day, in a mood of sublime emptiness, Subhuti was resting underneath a tree... continue...

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vertical line Posted on Aug.23.2008 @ 08:17AM EDT by IZIZIZ
Why 'Emptyness' and not 'Fullness'?
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Aug.23.2008
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vertical line is there a difference ?
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Aug.23.2008
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vertical line Oh shut up. there.
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.23.2008
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vertical line Diversionistas everywhere.
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Aug.23.2008
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vertical line To empty yourself requires object identification to cease. We come into life totally full of our ideas on how to live, and cling to them, until they begin to evaporate.
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Reply from Lynnoh
Aug.23.2008
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vertical line that's it!!!
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Aug.23.2008
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vertical line to be empty is to be full of ideas..to be full of ideas is to be empty of them hahaha
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Reply from Woodsman
Aug.23.2008
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vertical line It is going back to a beginning, where all equals out. From there, the simplest thing becomes the most profound. And acceptance becomes, the way, for all.
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Reply from IZIZIZ
Aug.23.2008
08:49PM EDT 
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Emptyness??? Fullness??? Nothingness???

1,2,3 throw them in the air and they all come to land,     however.

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Reply from lehish
Aug.24.2008
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Quote: "To empty yourself requires object identification to cease. "
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there's a "yourself" to empty ?

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Aug.24.2008
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Quote: "to be empty is to be full of ideas..to be full of ideas is to be empty of them hahaha"
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no

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Reply from glorymind
Aug.24.2008
05:38AM EDT 
vertical line Russell's paradox: no totality can contain members defined in terms of itself.
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Aug.24.2008
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Quote: "To empty yourself requires object identification to cease. "
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there's a "yourself" to empty ?

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not for you
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Aug.24.2008
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Quote: "Russell's paradox: no totality can contain members defined in terms of itself.
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didn't learn paradox

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Aug.24.2008
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Quote: "To empty yourself requires object identification to cease. "
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there's a "yourself" to empty ?

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not for you
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not for you
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:)

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Aug.24.2008
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Quote: "To empty yourself requires object identification to cease. "
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there's a "yourself" to empty ?

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not for you
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not for you
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:)(;

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Reply from lehish
Aug.25.2008
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Aug.25.2008
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Why 'Emptiness' and not 'Fullness'?

imagine your mind to be a potty

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Aug.25.2008
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vertical line "your mind" ?
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Aug.25.2008
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if you got it now

you might return it empty

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Aug.25.2008
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 retun what empty ?

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Aug.25.2008
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that potty you did find in my post,

carry some,

and fill a little.

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Aug.25.2008
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didn't find a potty in post

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Aug.25.2008
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no, I can smell your fumes but I'm not breathing your fumes.
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Aug.25.2008
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didn't find a potty in post

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Take the full away, the full remains. But you do sound potty. Probably you've breathing the fumes for too long.
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Aug.25.2008
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there's a "yourself" to empty ?


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not for you
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So what?
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Aug.25.2008
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didn't learn paradox

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helish nonsense - you don't have to but you did.
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Aug.25.2008
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Quote: "to be empty is to be full of ideas..to be full of ideas is to be empty of them hahaha"
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no to what? my laughing?

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there's a "yourself" to empty ?

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not for you
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not for you
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hahahahaha

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Aug.25.2008
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vertical line and then the potty    oh!
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Aug.25.2008
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vertical line were seeing a potty ?
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no to what? my laughing?

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Ouote: "to be empty is to be full of ideas..to be full of ideas is to be empty of them"

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didn't find a potty in post

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Take the full away, the full remains. But you do sound potty. Probably you've breathing the fumes for too long. "
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Take the full away, the full remains. But you do sound potty. Probably you've breathing the fumes for too long.
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shhhhhh

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Aug.26.2008
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hello lehish,

what contents, or potty, needs the understanding of,   (  "your mind"  ).....as you did ask.

if there be no potty.....then say how its contents should have needs to know,

its existence or absence of....

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hello lehish,

what contents, or potty, needs the understanding of,   (  "your mind"  ).....as you did ask.

if there be no potty.....then say how its contents should have needs to know,

its existence or absence of....

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hello bish

a short rest eating dried dates

the clock says 3am

the frig is defrosting but instead the water from the freezer compartment running into a pan, as was told it would, it pours inside the frig instead

the dryer is drying sheets towels

some boxes left to pack

no question-answer will wipe the firg..... remove, fold,  from the dryer... pack boxes

a dried fig bish ?

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Aug.26.2008
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didn't find a potty in post


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Take the full away, the full remains. But you do sound potty. Probably you've breathing the fumes for too long. "
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Take the full away, the full remains. But you do sound potty. Probably you've breathing the fumes for too long.
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Some like it hot
Some like it cold
Some like it in the pot
Eight hours old
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Aug.26.2008
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is this wrong?

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vertical line this is just what I see...I don't have anything else so if you want a no take it if not leave it here
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Aug.26.2008
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Quote: "this is just what I see...I don't have anything else so if you want a no take it if not leave it here"
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"no" was saying right-wrong

what's to "take" "leave" ?

what are you saying "take it" or "leave it" to as if there's a 'one' which can control, when not

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Aug.27.2008
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Aug.27.2008
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vertical line but you did post answering with:

Quote: "this is just what I see...I don't have anything else so if you want a no take it if not leave it here"

and, there wasn't a need to be told:  "if you want a no take it if not leave it here"


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Aug.27.2008
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a short rest eating dried dates

the clock says 3am

the frig is defrosting but instead the water from the freezer compartment running into a pan, as was told it would, it pours inside the frig instead

the dryer is drying sheets towels

some boxes left to pack

no question-answer will wipe the firg..... remove, fold,  from the dryer... pack boxes

a dried fig bish ?
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a fig knows its dry?
the clock knows its time, and that its a clock?
the dryer has needs to know?  
boxes unfulfilled or empty, have knowledge of such?
a small back-burn  can eliminate a raging blaze.

the back-burn lingers in the ash?

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Aug.27.2008
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a short rest eating dried dates

the clock says 3am

the frig is defrosting but instead the water from the freezer compartment running into a pan, as was told it would, it pours inside the frig instead

the dryer is drying sheets towels

some boxes left to pack

no question-answer will wipe the firg..... remove, fold,  from the dryer... pack boxes

a dried fig bish ?
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a fig knows its dry?
the clock knows its time, and that its a clock?
the dryer has needs to know?  
boxes unfulfilled or empty, have knowledge of such?
a small back-burn  can eliminate a raging blaze.

the back-burn lingers in the ash?

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the idea that there maybe was "know" "knowledge" to ask about ,as if maybe was,
was an idea you posted

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that was just the some back-burn, for for the question at the top of the thread,

and bish did not linger in it.

should  one empty the mind, there could be neither mind nor no mind to inquire about.

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Quote: "this is just what I see...I don't have anything else so if you want a no take it if not leave it here"

and, there wasn't a need to be told:  "if you want a no take it if not leave it here"


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I don't know

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Quote: "this is just what I see...I don't have anything else so if you want a no take it if not leave it here"

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because you already know?

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Quote: "this is just what I see...I don't have anything else so if you want a no take it if not leave it here"

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you were taking and leaving?

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know what ?

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