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→→→→ vertical line TOPIC: NEWBIE WITH THE USUAL REINCARNATION ISSSUE
vertical line Posted on Sep.05.2008 @ 01:15AM EDT by kausha

Hi guys. New here.  *waves*  I found this place by searching through Google... done after much pondering on how to approach my little question.  I could've just done what most people do or I could have done what the other most people do. I chose to do this.

I was raised to believe in "reincarnation" to the point that it's sort of one of the main things I do.  Folks who remember and I speak, talk, therapy, blah blah. I'm nobody special here with it. It's just that stuff gravitates to me. I don't think that needs a more dramatic discussion than that, right?

Anyway, of course I've got a plethora of memories of my own.  They've served me quite well, actually. The more one remembers their whole, the more they step closer to becoming whole when taking this particular (albiet sometimes dangerous) path. I'm happy to say I've come a long way baby.

But there's a couple of unresolved spots.  One has to do with Buddhism.

What I'm going to say from beyond here isn't meant to awe or impress. And I'm not really out for glory or anything like that. I just want to be thorough in my post, get it all out, and move on to the purpose why I'm risking being flamed by typing here.  Or anywhere. -_-  And these aren't things I've never talked about before. S'just instinct says when going into certain circles be careful. Cuz there are things you aren't supposed to remember... or something weird like that.

When I was a kid before and after school I had a self-made routine of doing stretches. I like to stretch. Feels good.  Didn't learn until I was in my 20's that they were all yoga poses.  And naturally when I stopped doing them... kinda forgot them... and try as I might circumstance (and lack of motivation) can't get me back into it. Durnit. I thoroughly enjoy yoga. But I guess not enough. ;-)

I've always been very drawn to temples. Big beautiful temples with scratchy gardens... to the point that I actually remembered a temple. Before I stepped into my first Buddha center. This story I am gonna tell has been with me for years. I've only been looking into Buddhism for the past year.

There are a lot of "temple" things I have spent my entire life doing without thought. Very ingrained, this sort of thing, and very automatic. It was my friend Margaret who pointed out to me my habits.  Then of course I was like "okay I"m bizarre." That was 8 years ago, though.

And of course the 3 "dangerous" moments that happened to me in my life. One kind of involve catching a pole coming at me from behind (I am not joking, lying or anything) so that my friends in high school called me karate woman for the rest of the year.  Um... I'm not even sure how I knew the pole was coming. It just kind of all happened. -_-

So there were these big wooden doors, and they were much bigger than me. But then again I was a young boy, or maybe an adolescent. I have trouble telling my age by feeling alone.  I was dark I can tell you that much and totally freaking out.

The past life memories - there is one "life" in particular I spent this lifetime avoiding remembering only to go "oh.. yeah I can see why I didn't wanna remember that" - were pretty strong. Something about a male body and this spirit doesn't mesh well I guess.  Things get too emotional.  So there I was at this temple shaking and crying and basically terrified of what was in my head.

I was allowed inside. I *think* someone walked with me. Can't remember... and there was this little barren courtyard like place. Two or three monks where there; older guys who were dark like I was.  And I can't remember exactly what was said, of course, but basically it was conveyed I thought I was going crazy.

One of the older men said to me very gently that I was safe there.

Can't remember what happened right after that, but I have always known that I "took refuge" there. That was the phrase in my head. It's always been there.  And I took vows and became a monk for the rest of my days.

I always thought through the years that "taking refuge" meant I hid there. I know I grew old there.  And it had a beautiful mountain view.  Which I kinda miss. =^-^=

So yeah. I was al ittle astounded at my first Buddhist encounter when I learned what taking refuge really was.

I guess I'll not go on and on about hiding int he courtyard and the gentle refraining atmopshere when first got there and wotnot.

Okay so here's why I"m baring my soul and exposing myself to trouble.

I realized "wow I really missed being Buddhist!" but am torn. Not sure what I should do here.  I've got very strong instincts telling me that to take the vow again will-nilly is a mistake.   And... I dunno.. would be nice to see the monkery again but really I'm trying to make sure I"m not being stoopid.

I need someone to talk to, because sounding boards are how Tiggers think best. Someone who doesn't feel this topic is taboo.

I understand if its taboo though. I'm sorry if I've said anything wrong.


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Reply from emancipate
Sep.05.2008
01:54AM EDT 
vertical line I don't think reincarnation is very important. We all have so much in this life that is real and this pretty much makes previous or future lives unimportant in this moment.

I think Buddhism also tries to promote the ideal mutual respect and care. The idea and focus on an 'individual capsule' sort of runs counter to this (it's almost selfishness). (Of course, love for others begins with love for oneself.)

Seeing as this is a Zen forum, you'll probably find lots of other people like myself that have the same appreciation as you for temples and other spiritually significant places/figures.

Memories are very powerful. Some are beautiful and some are not so nice. But memories are also not reality. If we are lucky enough to have lived somewhat good lives, we will have collected (and, I'd say) filtered out mostly good memories. I think there is definitely a bias regarding the past (either positive or negative). And this makes it very hard to honestly evaluate the merit of a decision to return somewhere based on a few fragmented memories.

There is a Zen koan that warns us against being "picky". And I think one of the issues it tries to point out is that if we rely on naive sentiment to guide us through life, we will be bitterly disappointed. Things might only look good on the surface, and if our expectations are too high...

I think the best thing to do is ask yourself, what do you want from this life? Be  resolute, determined and committed.

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Sep.05.2008
05:51AM EDT 
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What is the difference between incarnation and re-incarnation?

Where is the time within reality?

Who are you to be anybody in the past, now, or in the future?

What is the experience of knowing an experience?

Who knows experience?

Is re-incarnation a mis-interpretation?

Is re-incarnation more so the experience of what?

Take your time.

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Reply from 9999999
Sep.05.2008
07:01AM EDT 
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Reply from shayne
Sep.05.2008
07:18AM EDT 
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if the realization you have lived previous lives is something good for you....then good for you.

i personally cannot remember any past lives.

and yes its important because even siddhartha upon his supreme awakening remembered past lives.

so its not a bad thing.

i was atheist by nature. im not anymore.

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Reply from emancipate
Sep.05.2008
07:39AM EDT 
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if the realization you have lived previous lives is something good for you....then good for you.

i personally cannot remember any past lives.

and yes its important because even siddhartha upon his supreme awakening remembered past lives.

so its not a bad thing.

i was atheist by nature. im not anymore.

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So... what's God doing today? Loving the heck out of everything, as usual?

Maybe we're all going to hell?

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Reply from shayne
Sep.05.2008
07:53AM EDT 
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if the realization you have lived previous lives is something good for you....then good for you.

i personally cannot remember any past lives.

and yes its important because even siddhartha upon his supreme awakening remembered past lives.

so its not a bad thing.

i was atheist by nature. im not anymore.

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So... what's God doing today? Loving the heck out of everything, as usual?

Maybe we're all going to hell?

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So... what's God doing today? Loving the heck out of everything, as usual?

Maybe we're all going to hell?

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i doubt this very much.

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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.05.2008
08:47AM EDT 
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Many facinating wonders await those who open their minds.

To say that one thing is is to say that another is not.

To say that one thing is not is to say that another is.

In a universe of unlimited possibilities, how could either be true?

So I mean to say that to be unattached includes neither accepting anything nor ruling anything out. 

I just try to be a free-floater, not hanging on to anything.

(I have memories like that too, as I'm sure many here do.  I like them, but I don't hang on to them.)

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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.05.2008
08:50AM EDT 
vertical line Quote: "

if the realization you have lived previous lives is something good for you....then good for you.

i personally cannot remember any past lives.

and yes its important because even siddhartha upon his supreme awakening remembered past lives.

so its not a bad thing.

i was atheist by nature. im not anymore.

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I can dig it, Shayne.  I quit church and became an atheist.  Had visionary experiences and became an agnostic.  Met Buddha and became a Buddhist.  What's next?  I don't know.

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Reply from emancipate
Sep.05.2008
08:54AM EDT 
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Many facinating wonders await those who open their minds.

To say that one thing is is to say that another is not.

To say that one thing is not is to say that another is.

In a universe of unlimited possibilities, how could either be true?

So I mean to say that to be unattached includes neither accepting anything nor ruling anything out. 

I just try to be a free-floater, not hanging on to anything.

(I have memories like that too, as I'm sure many here do.  I like them, but I don't hang on to them.)

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You've limited the possibilities: true or false: is or is not!.... No, it wasn't you, I'm sorry for accusing you.

That which can be ruled will be measured. That is how it goes.

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Reply from shayne
Sep.05.2008
09:13AM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "

if the realization you have lived previous lives is something good for you....then good for you.

i personally cannot remember any past lives.

and yes its important because even siddhartha upon his supreme awakening remembered past lives.

so its not a bad thing.

i was atheist by nature. im not anymore.

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I can dig it, Shayne.  I quit church and became an atheist.  Had visionary experiences and became an agnostic.  Met Buddha and became a Buddhist.  What's next?  I don't know.

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my daughter is agnostic.

i know for fact i had a out of body experience.

this changed my perspective on life.

so did the concept of no time either.

nowness kinda opens up and im not in a hurry for anything.

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Reply from Lynnoh
Sep.05.2008
01:19PM EDT 
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Reply from Lynnoh
Sep.05.2008
01:50PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "Quote: "Quote: "

if the realization you have lived previous lives is something good for you....then good for you.

i personally cannot remember any past lives.

and yes its important because even siddhartha upon his supreme awakening remembered past lives.

so its not a bad thing.

i was atheist by nature. im not anymore.

"
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I can dig it, Shayne.  I quit church and became an atheist.  Had visionary experiences and became an agnostic.  Met Buddha and became a Buddhist.  What's next?  I don't know.

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my daughter is agnostic.

i know for fact i had a out of body experience.

this changed my perspective on life.

so did the concept of no time either.

nowness kinda opens up and im not in a hurry for anything.

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so what are you waiting for?

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Reply from shayne
Sep.05.2008
02:20PM EDT 
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Reply from lehish
Sep.05.2008
07:10PM EDT 
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Quote: " I just try to be a free-floater, not hanging on to anything( "
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hanging on to "I try", as if can ?

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Reply from lehish
Sep.05.2008
07:12PM EDT 
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vertical line Quote: "What is the difference between incarnation and re-incarnation?

Where is the time within reality?

Who are you to be anybody in the past, now, or in the future?

What is the experience of knowing an experience?

Who knows experience?

Is re-incarnation a mis-interpretation?

Is re-incarnation more so the experience of what?"
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"
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:)))))))))

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Reply from immortal 1
Sep.06.2008
07:56AM EDT 
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Quote: " I just try to be a free-floater, not hanging on to anything( "
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hanging on to "I try", as if can ?

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Oh Lehish, you are so hard to please.  But you do rein us in well, back to the Now.

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Reply from Lynnoh
Sep.06.2008
01:42PM EDT 
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Quote: "nothing....why?"
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so you got why...so what

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Reply from IZIZIZ
Sep.06.2008
08:44PM EDT 
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Is there an individual soul or a collective soul?

Is there an individual or a collective?

Is the collective soul one soul?

Is the collective one?

Are they one in the same?

Is there a soul?

How one measures the vastness of reality one measures the vastness of experience.

When in the first not a thing is, where is re-incarnation if not a concept.

I MAY SEE I TO I, OR I MIGHT NOT.

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Reply from 9999999
Sep.06.2008
09:07PM EDT 
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vertical line hehehehehehhhehehehehehehehee
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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.07.2008
03:28PM EDT 
vertical line Too many thoughts. Work to quieten the mind. Practise being in the moment.
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Reply from lehish
Sep.07.2008
05:03PM EDT 
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Quote: " I just try to be a free-floater, not hanging on to anything( "
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hanging on to "I try", as if can ?

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Oh Lehish, you are so hard to please.  But you do rein us in well, back to the Now.

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;)

"back to Now" ...now left now?  

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Sep.07.2008
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Quote: "Too many thoughts. Work to quieten the mind. Practise being in the moment. "
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moment "Practice being in the moment." as if not  ?

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Reply from 9999999
Sep.07.2008
07:09PM EDT 
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Quote: "Too many thoughts. Work to quieten the mind. Practise being in the moment. "
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moment "Practice being in the moment." as if not  ?

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lol
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Reply from Bluerose
Sep.08.2008
05:42PM EDT 
vertical line lol
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